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Subject: Whatever happened to Jun?

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Posted by: ajw34307
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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Ya, and apparently you an also an A** who also apparently knows everything about anything.

This forum was about Jun. not a book, not Microsoft, not Bungie, not 343, not Halo Wars, not you, not me, but about figgen Jun. so if you want to scold people for tiniest lack of knowledge go to a -blam!- site. if not, give me a theory, get the F out.

That goes for anyone who post on this F-ing forum. It's about F-ing Jun and his disappearence.
I don't want your fake "honor". You're an -blam!- who has no idea what he is talking about and deserves every bit of scorn you get.


It's funny you're saying this now. You know... now you've lost the argument. And that's the ultimate irony as you were the one who started all this.


Look, this whole thing got out of hand. Yes I lost, fine, but I at least a big enough man to accept that and admit it.

If you and DeceptionCobra think Jun is dead, fine thats a theory.


It's not a case of being "big enough" to accept it, you're in absolutely no position to deny it because you were wrong from the start. Then theres the whole thing with your hissy fit calling us retards, you've pretty much been digging your own grave for half an hour.

Good job.


You know what. -blam!- the -blam!- off, -blam!- you -blam!- Deception and -blam!- any one else who agrees with you. K, I'm -blam!- trying to -blam!- end this but your whiney ass wont let me. I was wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and -blam!- wrong as wrong as could be. This -blam!- was about Jun, -blam!- Jun.

Grow the -blam!- up you stupid -blam!- dumbass.
I may have dug my grave, but at least I have balls and the will to get out of it.


umad?

I think it's hilarious people can get so worked up on the internet, I'm just text on a screen here and you're crying about it.

  • 09.04.2011 4:14 PM PDT

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Is on the memorial statue in New Alexandria.


I just want to establish that that's not Jun, Spartans would not be put on a memorial statue for people KIA because protocol dictates that Spartans are only MIA. Also, S-IIIs weren't public knowledge, nobody would have put him on there.


This sculpture is a 1:53 scale replica of the Reach War Memorial at Hosok tere in New Alexandria.

That's what the paper says in the Legendary Edition of the game. Besides, nobody has to say they're Spartan-IIIs, ONI could just say they are Spartans.


But that completely contradicts a protocol that was in effect for almost 3 decades. o_O


True, but if anyone were to see a Spartan, what would their first thought be? Spartan-II, something they know exists, or Spartan-III, something they don't even know about.

  • 09.04.2011 4:15 PM PDT



Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Ya, and apparently you an also an A** who also apparently knows everything about anything.

This forum was about Jun. not a book, not Microsoft, not Bungie, not 343, not Halo Wars, not you, not me, but about figgen Jun. so if you want to scold people for tiniest lack of knowledge go to a -blam!- site. if not, give me a theory, get the F out.

That goes for anyone who post on this F-ing forum. It's about F-ing Jun and his disappearence.
I don't want your fake "honor". You're an -blam!- who has no idea what he is talking about and deserves every bit of scorn you get.[/quote]

It's funny you're saying this now. You know... now you've lost the argument. And that's the ultimate irony as you were the one who started all this.[/quote]

Look, this whole thing got out of hand. Yes I lost, fine, but I at least a big enough man to accept that and admit it.

If you and DeceptionCobra think Jun is dead, fine thats a theory.[/quote]

It's not a case of being "big enough" to accept it, you're in absolutely no position to deny it because you were wrong from the start. Then theres the whole thing with your hissy fit calling us retards, you've pretty much been digging your own grave for half an hour.

Good job.[/quote]

You know what. -blam!- the -blam!- off, -blam!- you -blam!- Deception and -blam!- any one else who agrees with you. K, I'm -blam!- trying to -blam!- end this but your whiney ass wont let me. I was wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and -blam!- wrong as wrong as could be. This -blam!- was about Jun, -blam!- Jun.

Grow the -blam!- up you stupid -blam!- dumbass.
I may have dug my grave, but at least I have balls and the will to get out of it.


umad?

I think it's hilarious people can get so worked up on the internet, I'm just text on a screen here and you're crying about it.


Ya it would be hilarious if I was crying right now.
Like I said, I'm done fighting you. I dont know what I have to do to get that through your head but I am. I'm done.

Just tear this forum up if you want to. prove everybody wrong if you want i dont care, i'm just done with it all.

I just wanted to hear waht people think happened to Jun, but I got in a fight with Deception, cause he trolled all of my post, then you joined in and i just want it to stop. i just wanna play Halo and forget.

I lost.

Now can't you just leave me alone, please. If is not about Jun, or his disappearence... just save it if so.

Once more to say, I'm done, wrong, and I lost. There now you can probaly sleep better at night knowing someone is wrong and you proved it.

  • 09.04.2011 4:21 PM PDT

Cool it down, guys. All of you. If you simply HAVE to fight, do it elsewhere. Right now you're just beating a dead horse.

  • 09.04.2011 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Weylander
Cool it down, guys. All of you. If you simply HAVE to fight, do it elsewhere. Right now you're just beating a dead horse.


The point of this thread is beating a dead horse. Nobody can come up with a convincing way to show how Jun could survive. He is D-E-A-D.

  • 09.04.2011 4:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Weylander
Cool it down, guys. All of you. If you simply HAVE to fight, do it elsewhere. Right now you're just beating a dead horse.


Thank you! I have been trying to stop this for the past hour. But I'm not doing a very good job. :(

[Edited on 09.04.2011 4:27 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 4:27 PM PDT

Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Thank you! I have been trying to stop this for the past hour. But I'm not doing a very good job. :(


No, because you're rising to the trollbait instead of walking away. Shut up, and stop getting riled by children.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The point of this thread is beating a dead horse. Nobody can come up with a convincing way to show how Jun could survive. He is D-E-A-D.


You have no proof to say he lived. Nothing in the game says he died, nothing in the books says he died. Until you can show me proof that he DID die, you're as bad as xAwesome Saucex for throwing your weight around like a child.

Both of you, grow up. NOBODY knows what happened to Jun, so can it and wait for a press release.

[Edited on 09.04.2011 4:30 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 4:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Weylander
You have no proof to say he lived. Nothing in the game says he died, nothing in the books says he died. Until you can show me proof that he DID die, you're as bad as xAwesome Saucex for throwing your weight around like a child.

Both of you, grow up. NOBODY knows what happened to Jun, so can it and wait for a press release.


Aw, someone's acting like an adult. Spare me. xAwesome Saucex and others like him have failed at every turn to explain how Jun could survive. If you seriously have a hard time accepting him dying when it's obvious he did, then that is sad. We may not see Jun die, but c'mon, you don't see plenty of generic space marines die in the Alien series of movies, do we just assume they're alive too?

  • 09.04.2011 4:34 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Weylander
Cool it down, guys. All of you. If you simply HAVE to fight, do it elsewhere. Right now you're just beating a dead horse.


The point of this thread is beating a dead horse. Nobody can come up with a convincing way to show how Jun could survive. He is D-E-A-D.


Fine say he is dead. He was with Halsey at the end of Reach.
I mean he gets on a pelican whith Halsey. There is no denying that. Halsey is ALIVE, we all know it. If Jun was with her after Reach then he could be alive.

On the other hand, you probaly right. Jun probaly died at CASTLEBASE at some point. Nothing has rock hard evidence he is dead.

Each side has an equal chance of being right. If you wanna believe that he died at CASTLEBASE or some point along the way, then fine.

No one can say for sure, and I mean NO ONE. But, I'm not going to fight over it cause its a game and the entire point of the thread was to get an honest answer from someone, and i got just a little shy under 200 and mabey more in the future, so you what...

Mission accomplished.

[Edited on 09.04.2011 4:34 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 4:34 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Fine say he is dead. He was with Halsey at the end of Reach.
I mean he gets on a pelican whith Halsey. There is no denying that. Halsey is ALIVE, we all know it. If Jun was with her after Reach then he could be alive.


One problem with that, he wasn't with Halsey when she left. First Strike was re-released and made the "Definitive Edition" of the events portrayed in that book, it was also released after Halo: Reach. And yet Jun is nowhere to be seen. He has nowhere to escape to, the Covenant OWN Reach.

[Edited on 09.04.2011 4:37 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 4:37 PM PDT
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Technically speaking, he is actually listed MIA(And not just due to policy). You can't say he is alive, because you have no proof. You can't say he is dead because you have no proof. You can only speculate and create theories.

Also, the Bungie.net forum users of high-caliber are like big fish in a little pond. If you think you are ready for debating against the big boys of fictional debate, go to Factpile.com.

  • 09.04.2011 4:42 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Fine say he is dead. He was with Halsey at the end of Reach.
I mean he gets on a pelican whith Halsey. There is no denying that. Halsey is ALIVE, we all know it. If Jun was with her after Reach then he could be alive.


One problem with that, he wasn't with Halsey when she left. First Strike was re-released and made the "Definitive Edition" of the events portrayed in that book, it was also released after Halo: Reach. And yet Jun is nowhere to be seen. He has nowhere to escape to, the Covenant OWN Reach.


Jesus, you just don't give up do you. Show me a picture showing him dead, his body, or a passage from any book or website that says Jun was killed or Jun is dead or so and so killed Jun or even Jun was killed by... then I'll say he is dead, other wise, no one knows.

You keep saying that he had no way off Reach. You say he had no chance. Mabey by some tiny little strain of luck he found a way, I mean its not impossible, but unlikely.

Either way, there is just about as much proof that Jun is dead as there is about what Mastercheifs face looks like.

  • 09.04.2011 4:43 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: xAwesome Saucex

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: xAwesome Saucex
Fine say he is dead. He was with Halsey at the end of Reach.
I mean he gets on a pelican whith Halsey. There is no denying that. Halsey is ALIVE, we all know it. If Jun was with her after Reach then he could be alive.


One problem with that, he wasn't with Halsey when she left. First Strike was re-released and made the "Definitive Edition" of the events portrayed in that book, it was also released after Halo: Reach. And yet Jun is nowhere to be seen. He has nowhere to escape to, the Covenant OWN Reach.


Jesus, you just don't give up do you. Show me a picture showing him dead, his body, or a passage from any book or website that says Jun was killed or Jun is dead or so and so killed Jun or even Jun was killed by... then I'll say he is dead, other wise, no one knows.

You keep saying that he had no way off Reach. You say he had no chance. Mabey by some tiny little strain of luck he found a way, I mean its not impossible, but unlikely.

Either way, there is just about as much proof that Jun is dead as there is about what Mastercheifs face looks like.


They show plenty of pictures of Chief's face as a child, not much of a stretch to think of what it could look like as he gets older. And honestly, if you can only defend your character being alive with "maybes", then you've effectively lost.

  • 09.04.2011 4:47 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Aw, someone's acting like an adult.


Somebody had to. You sure aren't stepping up to the plate and acting your age, young man.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
xAwesome Saucex and others like him have failed at every turn to explain how Jun could survive.


And you've still yet to give me solid, incontrovertible proof that he's dead. What you're essentially doing is stone-walling a disussion by stating your thoughts and opinions as nothing more or less than fact, in a debate with no actual solution.

The point of the matter is, you have nothing to prove to me, or anybody else, that your opinions are valid fact. Anybody reading The Fall of Reach would be excused for thinking that Dr Halsey and the remaining S-IIs on Reach died during the Covenant glassing; First Strike proves otherwise. Likewise, we know for a simple fact that Jun escorts Halsey to CASTLE Base, nothing more.

We simply have no further evidence to suggest that Jun is dead. Likewise, nobody can prove he's alive earlier, although his Halopedia page lists him as the only member of Noble Team to still be listed as Active.

So, I ask you again: PROVE to me that Jun dies on Reach. Or, stop making a circular argument. Your choice.

  • 09.04.2011 4:48 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Jun is on a Memorial Statue that stands in a rebuilt New Alexandria. There would be no point to give HIM a memorial statue if he survived.

[Edited on 09.04.2011 4:49 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 4:49 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Jun is on a Memorial Statue that stands in a rebuilt New Alexandria. There would be no point to give HIM a memorial statue if he survived.


The John-117 Memorial would like to have a word with you.

Are we QUITE done here?

  • 09.04.2011 4:55 PM PDT

He was last seen boarding a Pelican to escort Dr. Halsey away from Sword Base to CASTLE Base under orders from Carter-A259. Jun is also the only in-game member of Noble Team recorded as still alive
-Halopedia.com (halo.wikia.com)

Like Weylander said.

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  • 09.04.2011 5:17 PM PDT

"I actually don't hold a grudge against someone talking trash about me if they're shot afterwards, I try to rise above that "

Gordon Freeman, Freeman's Mind

This seems to be going in circles.

Like a question,"How can you prove God exists?"
"How can you prove he doesn't?"

For all anyone knows,Jun is neither at the moment,until someone of high authority in the Halo series tells us what has hapened to him.

Let's leave it at that,shall we?

  • 09.04.2011 5:39 PM PDT
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Enjoy what you have and live on.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Right...Who said he had to get off planet? There was a LONG gap between August 30th and September 7th. So what if he wasn't mentioned in First Strike? The game wasn't made yet! Games override the books, you lose.


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Anyway, it's called the logic to assert that Jun is dead. So, he is dead, dead and DEAD! End of story. I assume that majority of people agree that he died.

*NOTE* NOTICE, I do not speak for majority, I am assuming.


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  • 09.04.2011 5:52 PM PDT
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Logic=/=fact

Using logic you ASSUME he is dead. However, you have no real proof otherwise.

  • 09.04.2011 5:56 PM PDT
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Cowboy up


Posted by: Weylander
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Jun is on a Memorial Statue that stands in a rebuilt New Alexandria. There would be no point to give HIM a memorial statue if he survived.


The John-117 Memorial would like to have a word with you.

Are we QUITE done here?


Bravo man, bravo.

Jun is alive in my opinion until proven otherwise. Spartans don't die they're just missing in action. Lol But really we have no proof either way so anyones opinion is moot until we have evidence.

  • 09.04.2011 6:15 PM PDT

only a prowler and The Pillar of Autumn survived the space battle for Reach. he obviously didn't go onto the Autumn, and boarding a Prowler would reveal its position. And I'm fairly certain that the Prowler was mentioned in the book and fled before it was found

  • 09.04.2011 6:24 PM PDT
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Those are the only ships we know that fled Reach. Other ships could've aswell. obviously Buck got off Reach, so more than just those 2 ships left.

  • 09.04.2011 6:26 PM PDT

how do you know that wasn't him on the memorial? Master Chief was on a memorial when he "died"

  • 09.04.2011 6:27 PM PDT

There is a good chance that was jun in the trailer because it said the map high lands was close to castle base and that is were jun was ordered to go but even if he did live he would be glassed like the rest of the planet and if they some how found a way of the planet they would not be able to get something with a slip spase drive past those corevets Now I know what your thinking your thinking that master cheif got away from halo on a longsowrd(witch totaly should of been a mission to try to evade debrie and fly away)But jun would have died in space because he never made it back to earth to show up in any of the other games. the only way he could of lived is if he some how made BFFs with the covenant. Do you think bungie made the game like this just so we would discuss it on the forum?

  • 09.04.2011 6:31 PM PDT