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Subject: An examination of the destruction of the 12 Halo Rings.

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

In Cryptum, we're told that there were originally 12 Halos created under the orders of Faber when the Builders took political power in the Ecumene.

One of the Rings are stolen by Mendicant Bias, he fires it at Charum Hakkor and the Timeless One stows away on it. Then he assaults the Capital and a battle ensues to destroy the Rings, however we only have half an account of the events because Bornstellar leaves with Glory and a Councillor.

So I'm here to examine the possible fate of the Rings.

Firstly, I've seen people ask why the Ark didn't simply rebuild them up to the 12 there originally were. As we know, in the games, there are 7. The plan (as in the plan) to destroy all life in the galaxy hadn't been sanctioned at the time. They had built the Halos as research stations firstly, designed to contain living specimins for indexing. Thus, it wouldn't have been prudent to rebuild the Ring at the time.

Secondly, it's likely they had no idea whether to rebuild it or not. The construction of the 12 Rings was initiated when the Builders took power and cast down the Warrior-Servants (the ones who proposed the Shield Worlds); you'll remember that Faber, the Master Builder, was removed from power by the Council for firing a Halo at Janjur Qom to quell the San'Shyuum revolt. That was the tipping point where the Builders lost power, so the new Council may have changed the rules.

An interesting bit of speculation here, but what if the remaining 4 Halos were not destroyed? We know that Mendicant Bias can control 5 Rings at a time, what if he stole them at some unknown point? We know that Primordium is set on the Ring that Bias stole and hid the Timeless One on, so what if he managed to (at some point) nick the others?

Having recently reread through Cryptum to formulate this, I came across something on page 329.

"The Falco slowly rotated and a complicated silhouette moved across the spiral cloud. It took several long moments before I could make out slender shapes attached to that silhouette, like a wide rosette. Slowly it dawned on me that I was looking upon another array of installations: six rings, each rising from one of the petals of an enormous flower.

We know that 1 Ring survived, and here Born is telling us that there are 6 being constructed on the Ark. So it's evident that these are the Rings used in the final plan, it's a logical conclusion that (since we know little of what happened at the Capital after Born, Glory and the Councillor left) the other Rings were destroyed or went missing. Also, it says during that battle that only 7 were being recalled into slipspace where only 1 survived - so it's clear that only 7 either needed to be used or were planned to be used.

I hope this brings some kind of closure to people who didn't quite understand what was going on.

  • 09.03.2011 8:11 AM PDT

I dont think so.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 8:36 AM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 8:35 AM PDT

This is a really good and well written out thread!
Good job!

  • 09.03.2011 8:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: SHADOW4SSASSIN
I dont think so.


You seem to be applying that more to yourself than me, I actually know what I'm talking about, you're butthurt from that Jun thread.

  • 09.03.2011 8:40 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

While this doesn't necessarily bring anything new to the discussion, it does clarify a few things about what happened in one of the more confusing portions of any Halo book I've ever read.

Clarification for clarifications sake is good.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 8:42 AM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 8:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1065
While this doesn't necessarily bring anything new to the discussion, it does clarify a few things about what happened in one of the more confusing portions of any Halo book I've ever read.

Clarification for clarifications sake is good.


Looking around Bnet, Waypoint and the RT forums has shown me that a lot of people were confused by things in Cryptum. So yeah, nothing new, just detailed clarification.

  • 09.03.2011 8:42 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Although to me the fact that the 6 new rings were built as Didact/Bornstellar reached the Ark seems to indicate that the final plan had been thought of and set in motion at that time.

This was an edit but I'll just repost it.

  • 09.03.2011 8:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Gah, I need that book.

  • 09.03.2011 9:06 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: HipiO7
Gah, I need that book.

Borders usually has tons of copies, see if your local store has any.

  • 09.03.2011 9:10 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: HipiO7
Gah, I need that book.

Borders usually has tons of copies, see if your local store has any.


Borders dosent exist here in Spain. Nor do pretty much any english book store. I'd have to order it from the internet, but I keep using my money on buss money to go surfing.

I'm going to check out how much it costs on Amazon, and see if I can manage to save up.

  • 09.03.2011 9:12 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: HipiO7
Gah, I need that book.

Borders usually has tons of copies, see if your local store has any.


Borders dosent exist here in Spain. Nor do pretty much any english book store. I'd have to order it from the internet, but I keep using my money on buss money to go surfing.

I'm going to check out how much it costs on Amazon, and see if I can manage to save up.

Whoops, didn't know you lived in Spain. My bad.

  • 09.03.2011 9:13 AM PDT

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This actually clarified a lot of things for me. I had been confused on how many rings made it through the portal.

It's all good now.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:35 AM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 9:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Primo84
This actually clarified a lot of things for me. I had been confused on how many rings made it through the portal.

It's all good now.


Glad to have been of help.

  • 09.03.2011 9:38 AM PDT
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ajw,

I like your theroy and your questions, you seem to be pretty well informed. The only thing that is bugging me about it is-if you recall-the time during H3 when MC and the Arbiter are making there're way through the Citadel; how come we only see 7 halo holograms?
one of them-#4-is flashing in red. Which i'm pretty sure is because its not ready for firing. Perhaps I'm just curious how there were 12 rings to began with.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:48 AM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 9:47 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I need clarification:

1 Halo made it through the portal before it collapsed, right?

One was destroyed as it passed through, which leaves five of the seven of which MB did not control unaccounted for?

One of the five of which he did control was observed to have been destroyed, leaving 4 (Including his own Ring) unaccounted for in that category.

Now there are 6 rings at the Ark, one of which is the one that went through the portal before Born I assume, so are the other five at the Ark the five unaccounted rings that were not under MB's control?

Which only leaves 4 unaccounted for? Is that the four you are talking about?

This bit confused me, and I haven't really bothered tackling it until now to be honest.

  • 09.03.2011 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: DeadlyCracker
ajw,

I like your theroy and your questions, you seem to be pretty well informed. The only thing that is bugging me about it is-if you recall-the time during H3 when MC and the Arbiter are making there're way through the Citadel; how come we only see 7 halo holograms?
one of them-#4-is flashing in red. Which i'm pretty sure is because its not ready for firing. Perhaps I'm just curious how there were 12 rings to began with.


Like I said, the final plan only involved 7 Rings. That's why there are only 7 holograms.

Posted by: anton1792
I need clarification:

1 Halo made it through the portal before it collapsed, right?

One was destroyed as it passed through, which leaves five of the seven of which MB did not control unaccounted for?

One of the five of which he did control was observed to have been destroyed, leaving 4 (Including his own Ring) unaccounted for in that category.

Now there are 6 rings at the Ark, one of which is the one that went through the portal before Born I assume, so are the other five at the Ark the five unaccounted rings that were not under MB's control?

Which only leaves 4 unaccounted for? Is that the four you are talking about?

This bit confused me, and I haven't really bothered tackling it until now to be honest.


1 Halo made it through and (I think) joined the 6 being created on the Ark, thus making 7. However, that might be wrong and the escapee is one of the six, then in Primordium perhaps the Ring that Mendicant Bias stole is taken back and is revealed to be Installation 05 (as that was the Ring that Faber gave him).

I'm feeling confused now. :P Since only 1 Ring made it through the portal before it collapsed the Rings at the Ark must be newly constructed. But the term "made it through with being shattered" is a bit vague, it's possible that the Rings from the Capital did make it through but were heavily damaged and were simply being rebuilt at the Ark.

  • 09.03.2011 10:10 AM PDT

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I just got a crazy idea that most likely isn't true.
The legendary planet has a halo ring inside of it, maybe containing the precursor.
Bad idea right?

  • 09.03.2011 10:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
I just got a crazy idea that most likely isn't true.
The legendary planet has a halo ring inside of it, maybe containing the precursor.
Bad idea right?


Not sure how it'd work, Halos require a centrifugal force to sustain them, plus it'd have to be a pretty big planet to contain a Halo Ring.

  • 09.03.2011 10:31 AM PDT

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Has size ever stopped the Forerunners or any civilization near their Technology Tier from creating immensely large structures, the ark, and planetoids?

  • 09.05.2011 5:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonVelocity
Has size ever stopped the Forerunners or any civilization near their Technology Tier from creating immensely large structures, the ark, and planetoids?


No, but why would they put a Halo Ring inside a planet? It'd shatter without a centrifugal force.

  • 09.05.2011 5:52 AM PDT


Posted by: DeadlyCracker
ajw,

I like your theroy and your questions, you seem to be pretty well informed. The only thing that is bugging me about it is-if you recall-the time during H3 when MC and the Arbiter are making there're way through the Citadel; how come we only see 7 halo holograms?
one of them-#4-is flashing in red. Which i'm pretty sure is because its not ready for firing. Perhaps I'm just curious how there were 12 rings to began with.


MB was restriced to five halos he could command. Perhaps the Forerunners had envisioned a shared leadership for all the Halos.

There may have been seven holograms because that was the limit the Ark could command. They could have been any of the seven, but as things developed, those seven became the sole Halos left.

Heck, the departure of the Halos to the Ark at the end of Cryptuum may have been in an attempt to get them under the Ark's full control. Those other rings where not completed, right?

So MB can run 5 at once, the Librarian (from the Ark) can run 7 at once. With how they seem to work, once under control they can't be stolen away.

Seven holograms in the command room makes sense to me.

  • 09.05.2011 6:53 AM PDT

I was confused as to the fate of the forerunner capital. Wasn't MB trying to activate the halos under his control, and if only 1 was destroyed isn't it highly probable that at least one activated within the capital's system. I don't know but from what I read it seemed to hint at the possibility of the forerunner capital being destroyed.

  • 09.05.2011 7:38 AM PDT


Posted by: anish panchalin
One thing I'm curious to know is what happens when 4 rings are fired in the same system at once and why MB even bothered with 5 rings to begin with instead of just 1. 4x the radiation, 4x the ownage to the capital, even if not to the rest of the galaxy?


He used as many as he could to increasde his chance of at least one completing the firing cycle. The home fleet responded pretty quickly in defense. Sadly we can only gues that the capital was destroyed.

How many rings where stopped from firing? We don't know for sure.

The type of energy the Halos use could grow linearly or exponentialy. Or they don't grow at all, and it was all just planned redundancy.

  • 09.05.2011 8:50 AM PDT

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