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Subject: Could 10 marines take on an elite ultra???

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Also i got some other things.

1. 10 marines vs 1 elite ultra

2. 6 odst vs 1 elite zealot

3. 10 marines vs a sprtan 2 or 3 with mjolnir Mk v armour

And last but not least, could ground fire from the unsc (like tanks, spartan lasers ect), damage a light covie ship such as a corvette if it were within range?

  • 09.03.2011 1:50 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Never.

In Dirt in Evolutions, Gage tells us how a sword wielding Ultra managed to kill a dozen of ODST's, including one of his teammates, before Gage managed to get off an almost point blank rocket shot.

If a dozen ODST's cant, then 10 marines never could.

  • 09.03.2011 1:52 PM PDT

Depends what weapons are being used. Elite shield strength in the game is simply a game mechanic. Spartan shields are actually stronger than that of Elites but they do not want to make the game easy, so they added that. Shield strength in Cutscenes seem to be canon though, notice how Noble 6 completely kills an Elite with just 15 rounds in Lone Wolf.

So 10 marines would kill an Elite ultra easily with all the combined fire.
The ODST's would win with sheer combined firepower.
Depends on the situation. John managed to kill 3 ODST with his bare hands.

No. FPF-1's didn't do anything to the Corvette. Although Small MAC cannons stationed on the planet such as in Pillar of Autumn could take down a ship. It varies.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 1:55 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 1:54 PM PDT

"Spartans are never missing in action, they just die, Jorge!" - Carter in The Halo Reach team is high on meth

Hipi is right, ODSTs are the strongest and most highly-trained marines there are - the ODSTs are the UNSC's version of the SBS or the Navy SEALS, if 10 ODSTs couldnt take down an Ultra then 10 marines would get cut to pieces. To be honest 10 marines could probably get cut to pieces by a Minor or a Majordomo.

  • 09.03.2011 1:55 PM PDT

If it's just one Elite in these scenarios then I say yeah, definitely, possibly even less marines or ODSTs could do it. I've seen it happen in the games plenty of times.

I'm a little iffy about them being able to beat a Spartan, but an Elite, sure, a dozen or so marines can easily kill one Elite by themselves.

  • 09.03.2011 1:58 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Well, Marines certainly did quite well when they defended Harvest then, because in the cutscenes of Wars, they kill several Elites with ease (although they get molested by their reinforcements afterwards).

  • 09.03.2011 1:58 PM PDT

"Spartans are never missing in action, they just die, Jorge!" - Carter in The Halo Reach team is high on meth

well training mustve gone down the pan (either that or theyre letting Master Chief do all the hard work) as in my experience theyre practically useless in taking down Elites unless theyre using rocket launches, shotguns or snipers or some other powerful weapon.

One of the answers was it depends on weaponry which is quite right

[Edited on 09.03.2011 2:02 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 2:01 PM PDT

no, no and no

  • 09.03.2011 2:02 PM PDT

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No chance on all counts.

  • 09.03.2011 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Never.

In Dirt in Evolutions, Gage tells us how a sword wielding Ultra managed to kill a dozen of ODST's, including one of his teammates, before Gage managed to get off an almost point blank rocket shot.

If a dozen ODST's cant, then 10 marines never could.


I wouldn't say never. It all depends on the scenario. If the Marines got the jump on the Elite, then they have a sure shot chance at killing that Elite. Look at the Spartans. John's group, even with MJOLNIR, was nearly taken out by mere rebels through an ambush. Were it not for Kurt, they would have succeeded too.

It's a case by case basis. You just can't take one example, then magically apply it across the field as if every single Marine had the same stats in an RPG game or something of the sort. Same goes for any type of match up really.

  • 09.03.2011 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari
Also i got some other things.

1. 10 marines vs 1 elite ultra

2. 6 odst vs 1 elite zealot

The Marines/ODSTs. I doubt there would be any UNSC groundside victories if the odds were anything different. Unless this is in CQC...

  • 09.03.2011 2:10 PM PDT

Depends on the context. In a small room? The ultra would decimate them. In a large, open area? I think the marines would win.

  • 09.03.2011 2:14 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: HipiO7
Never.

In Dirt in Evolutions, Gage tells us how a sword wielding Ultra managed to kill a dozen of ODST's, including one of his teammates, before Gage managed to get off an almost point blank rocket shot.

If a dozen ODST's cant, then 10 marines never could.


I wouldn't say never. It all depends on the scenario. If the Marines got the jump on the Elite, then they have a sure shot chance at killing that Elite. Look at the Spartans. John's group, even with MJOLNIR, was nearly taken out by mere rebels through an ambush. Were it not for Kurt, they would have succeeded too.

It's a case by case basis. You just can't take one example, then magically apply it across the field as if every single Marine had the same stats in an RPG game or something of the sort. Same goes for any type of match up really.


True enough.

In a small room the Ultra would win almost 99%.
Out in the open, I'd say around 50%.

But still, the Ultra still has the upper hand, most because of it's experience. Ultra's are 10000x more experienced than marines or ODST's.

  • 09.03.2011 2:28 PM PDT

_.Kiz._

No.

  • 09.03.2011 2:40 PM PDT

How do you know an ultra is more experienced? Granted I'm sure an ultra is a better fighter than the average human soldier, but I'm sure there are marines who would have more experience.

Also, I'm betting a fair few of the Covenant higher-ups are aristocrats born into power.

  • 09.03.2011 2:42 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
How do you know an ultra is more experienced? Granted I'm sure an ultra is a better fighter than the average human soldier, but I'm sure there are marines who would have more experience.

Also, I'm betting a fair few of the Covenant higher-ups are aristocrats born into power.


I think it was stated in the Halo 2 manual that Elite's rise through the ranks depending on the numbers of casualties they inflict. More casualties always leads to more experience.

True too, but I think it only counts for ship masters and higher command ranks. Ground troops like Ultra's, I dont think are put there because of their clans position.

  • 09.03.2011 2:49 PM PDT

The unsc have better ground forces but the covanant have better space ships. When you think about it space ship with glassing beam beats marine with AR. without the elites the humans would be dead

  • 09.03.2011 2:50 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

Well, Buck, for instance has years of experience, all the way back to Harvest, I believe, so that's more than the average Elite.

And as for the CQC, what if they all had Shotguns? That would even the odds more than considerably. It's really on a case by case basis.

  • 09.03.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
I think it was stated in the Halo 2 manual that Elite's rise through the ranks depending on the numbers of casualties they inflict. More casualties always leads to more experience.

That does not answer his question. He asked how an Ultra is intrinsically more experienced than a Marine/ODST, not how Elites can gain and show experience.

The fact that Elites rise though scalps and not expertise in tactical thinking and strategic planning, and the fact that they are reckless and allow impractical codes to hamper thier efficiency tells me that the Marines have a far higher chance of winning.

  • 09.03.2011 2:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Depends on the context. In a small room? The ultra would decimate them. In a large, open area? I think the marines would win.


How so? In a small room the marines to blast the elite point blank.

In a large open area the elite can run around, use the enviroment, dodge all the bullets ect

  • 09.03.2011 2:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
How do you know an ultra is more experienced? Granted I'm sure an ultra is a better fighter than the average human soldier, but I'm sure there are marines who would have more experience.

Also, I'm betting a fair few of the Covenant higher-ups are aristocrats born into power.


I think Aristocrats have their own civilian rank, the rank of Aristocrat. Dont Aristocrats become Councilors?

  • 09.03.2011 2:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pipboy 3050

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Depends on the context. In a small room? The ultra would decimate them. In a large, open area? I think the marines would win.

dodge all the bullets


Id like to something dodge a bullet.

10 trained marines with concentrated fire power would decimate an ultra. However wolver is right situation and environment is everything.

  • 09.03.2011 3:00 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: HipiO7
I think it was stated in the Halo 2 manual that Elite's rise through the ranks depending on the numbers of casualties they inflict. More casualties always leads to more experience.

That does not answer his question. He asked how an Ultra is intrinsically more experienced than a Marine/ODST, not how Elites can gain and show experience.

The fact that Elites rise though scalps and not expertise in tactical thinking and strategic planning, and the fact that they are reckless and allow impractical codes to hamper thier efficiency tells me that the Marines have a far higher chance of winning.


Elite's are trained from their childhood to become ruthless, efficient killers. Elite's that have survived long enough to become Ultra's are not stupid at all, and know what it takes to survive. Marines and ODST's are not trained from childhood. Only Spartan's are, and that's why they are the only equals Humanity can offer against Elites.

Look at Thel and his small squad of Elite's that took over the UNSC Two For Flinching, in Cole Protocole. They easily killed any humans who tried to establish an effective ambush on them. I wont disagree on the large scale that UNSC planning and tactical thinking is better, but on the small squad level, ELite's are superior, as they have always been considered smart and very adaptive.

  • 09.03.2011 3:11 PM PDT

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1. Definitely, because of sheer firepower.
2. Same as above.
3. Would depend on the situation.

  • 09.03.2011 3:20 PM PDT