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Subject: Could 10 marines take on an elite ultra???

Marines. Easily. In a standoff, those Elites would fall in less than five seconds. I really don't understand the people who are saying the Elites would win. The Marines aren't stupid. If the Elite tried to pull over the top "ninja" moves, those Marines would drop its ass.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 3:31 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 3:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Elite's are trained from their childhood to become ruthless, efficient killers. Elite's that have survived long enough to become Ultra's are not stupid at all, and know what it takes to survive. Marines and ODST's are not trained from childhood. Only Spartan's are, and that's why they are the only equals Humanity can offer against Elites.

Being trained to be ruthlessly efficient killers under one set of standards does not make them ruthlessly efficient killers on the whole, especially given the fact that the Elites have been fighting Grunts, Jackals and other half-assed races their entire existence.

And training is not the same as real life experience of a lethal war zone. Which means Wolver's original question remains unanswered.

Spartans are ruthless and efficient killers: There were about 33 of them and they mostly all lasted until the Fall of Reach. Elites are inefficient and poor commanders at all levels relying upon superior technology to gain the advantage, except that it does not always work. If this were a contest of a Spartan Vs Marines then there would be no contest in the Spartan's favour, but Elites are nowhere near the level of Spartans. There were hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Elites fielded in the war and they died in comparative numbers. Spartans are designed to kill your enemy; Elites merely to scare them.

Posted by: HipiO7
Look at Thel and his small squad of Elite's that took over the UNSC Two For Flinching, in Cole Protocole. They easily killed any humans who tried to establish an effective ambush on them. I wont disagree on the large scale that UNSC planning and tactical thinking is better, but on the small squad level, ELite's are superior, as they have always been considered smart and very adaptive.

So Naval officers are an adequate substitute for Marines and soldiers now huh? Also, that was an enclosed space where many grenades were used. I doubt a single Elite would have that many at its disposal nor the time to use them all. Thel had his teammates to give him the time to prime them.

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I remember 1 marine killing an Arbiter by very himself.

  • 09.03.2011 3:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Marines. Easily. In a standoff, those Elites would fall in less than five seconds. I really don't understand the people who are saying the Elites would win. The Marines aren't stupid. If the Elite tried to pull over the top "ninja" moves, those Marines would drop its ass.


1) Because Marines dont have energy shields

2) Have you seen how quickly an Elite can drop a Marine? Just one shot from a plasma rifle in the torso or head is enough to kill a marine, or at least severly wound them enough for an easy coup de grace

  • 09.03.2011 3:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Marines. Easily. In a standoff, those Elites would fall in less than five seconds. I really don't understand the people who are saying the Elites would win. The Marines aren't stupid. If the Elite tried to pull over the top "ninja" moves, those Marines would drop its ass.


1) Because Marines dont have energy shields

2) Have you seen how quickly an Elite can drop a Marine? Just one shot from a plasma rifle in the torso or head is enough to kill a marine, or at least severly wound them enough for an easy coup de grace

But it's not just one marine, it's several, and while he's targeting one, his comrades have already been firing.

  • 09.03.2011 3:43 PM PDT


Posted by: manwith
I remember 1 marine killing an Arbiter by very himself.


Well that was an irregularly tall Elite, and the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Still, with a tactical approach, and by perhaps taking advantage of an Elite's arrogance, one Marine could easily drop the Elite.

  • 09.03.2011 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: ArmedMike Ward

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Marines. Easily. In a standoff, those Elites would fall in less than five seconds. I really don't understand the people who are saying the Elites would win. The Marines aren't stupid. If the Elite tried to pull over the top "ninja" moves, those Marines would drop its ass.



1) Because Marines dont have energy shields

2) Have you seen how quickly an Elite can drop a Marine? Just one shot from a plasma rifle in the torso or head is enough to kill a marine, or at least severly wound them enough for an easy coup de grace

But it's not just one marine, it's several, and while he's targeting one, his comrades have already been firing.

This, and if 1 has a shotgun, the elite is -blam!-...

Now imagine if they all had shotguns.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 3:46 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 3:46 PM PDT


Posted by: ArmedMike Ward

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Marines. Easily. In a standoff, those Elites would fall in less than five seconds. I really don't understand the people who are saying the Elites would win. The Marines aren't stupid. If the Elite tried to pull over the top "ninja" moves, those Marines would drop its ass.

2) Have you seen how quickly an Elite can drop a Marine? Just one shot from a plasma rifle in the torso or head is enough to kill a marine, or at least severly wound them enough for an easy coup de grace


I seriously doubt that their body armor is that weak. I remember it being said that about two shots from either a PP or a PR would kill an unarmored human.
Covenant weapons are seriously over exaggerated.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 3:49 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 3:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: anton1792
Being trained to be ruthlessly efficient killers under one set of standards does not make them ruthlessly efficient killers on the whole, especially given the fact that the Elites have been fighting Grunts, Jackals and other half-assed races their entire existence.

And training is not the same as real life experience of a lethal war zone. Which means Wolver's original question remains unanswered.

Spartans are ruthless and efficient killers: There were about 33 of them and they mostly all lasted until the Fall of Reach. Elites are inefficient and poor commanders at all levels relying upon superior technology to gain the advantage, except that it does not always work. If this were a contest of a Spartan Vs Marines then there would be no contest in the Spartan's favour, but Elites are nowhere near the level of Spartans. There were hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Elites fielded in the war and they died in comparative numbers. Spartans are designed to kill your enemy; Elites merely to scare them.


I would love to see the kill/death ratio of the Elite's on marines during the war. I can assure you in direct combat, the Elite's come out winning. The Elite's only seem so inefficient because that's what we see. Yes, I agree there are times where they act dumb and deserve to loose the battles, but who knows how many battles throughout the war the Elite's came clearly out in victory. We just dont know of them. But then again, with the Spartans, not all Elite's are natural killing machines, even if trained all their lifes. Just like not anyone could become Spartans. The Elite's that werent focused and what not died. End of story. The Elite's that were cunning, resourceful, adaptive, and intelligent survived throughout the war and rose through the ranks. Elite's that are higher in the ranks is because they have proven, again and again, how combat effective they are individually or in squads, on the field of battle. The best example of an Elite that perfectly fits my ideal is the one aboard Acendant Justice in First Strike. The ONLY REASON the Chief managed to beat him, which he did not even manage to kill the Elite, was because Johnson and Locklear were there to lay fire on him. Had it not been for them, I have no doubt John would have lost.


So Naval officers are an adequate substitute for Marines and soldiers now huh? Also, that was an enclosed space where many grenades were used. I doubt a single Elite would have that many at its disposal nor the time to use them all. Thel had his teammates to give him the time to prime them.

From what I remember, ODST's and Marines were always present aboard naval ships. Yet again, look at Dirt in Evolutions. Gage and his ODST's were flash unfreezed just in case their ship was boarded when their battle group was ambushed. Look at the Pillar of Autumn when it was boarded, there were marines all over the place fighting, trying to contain the breaches.

And I only remember Thel using one grenade in the whole fight when they were ambushed at the Bridge. And you saw how easily Thel managed to take out all those Marines, with or without his teammates help, he still managed to kill the majority of them by himself.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: anton1792
Being trained to be ruthlessly efficient killers under one set of standards does not make them ruthlessly efficient killers on the whole, especially given the fact that the Elites have been fighting Grunts, Jackals and other half-assed races their entire existence.

And training is not the same as real life experience of a lethal war zone. Which means Wolver's original question remains unanswered.

Spartans are ruthless and efficient killers: There were about 33 of them and they mostly all lasted until the Fall of Reach. Elites are inefficient and poor commanders at all levels relying upon superior technology to gain the advantage, except that it does not always work. If this were a contest of a Spartan Vs Marines then there would be no contest in the Spartan's favour, but Elites are nowhere near the level of Spartans. There were hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Elites fielded in the war and they died in comparative numbers. Spartans are designed to kill your enemy; Elites merely to scare them.


I would love to see the kill/death ratio of the Elite's on marines during the war. I can assure you in direct combat, the Elite's come out winning. The Elite's only seem so inefficient because that's what we see. Yes, I agree there are times where they act dumb and deserve to loose the battles, but who knows how many battles throughout the war the Elite's came clearly out in victory. We just dont know of them. But then again, with the Spartans, not all Elite's are natural killing machines, even if trained all their lifes. Just like not anyone could become Spartans. The Elite's that werent focused and what not died. End of story. The Elite's that were cunning, resourceful, adaptive, and intelligent survived throughout the war and rose through the ranks. Elite's that are higher in the ranks is because they have proven, again and again, how combat effective they are individually or in squads, on the field of battle. The best example of an Elite that perfectly fits my ideal is the one aboard Acendant Justice in First Strike. The ONLY REASON the Chief managed to beat him, which he did not even manage to kill the Elite, was because Johnson and Locklear were there to lay fire on him. Had it not been for them, I have no doubt John would have lost.


So Naval officers are an adequate substitute for Marines and soldiers now huh? Also, that was an enclosed space where many grenades were used. I doubt a single Elite would have that many at its disposal nor the time to use them all. Thel had his teammates to give him the time to prime them.

From what I remember, ODST's and Marines were always present aboard naval ships. Yet again, look at Dirt in Evolutions. Gage and his ODST's were flash unfreezed just in case their ship was boarded when their battle group was ambushed. Look at the Pillar of Autumn when it was boarded, there were marines all over the place fighting, trying to contain the breaches.

And I only remember Thel using one grenade in the whole fight when they were ambushed at the Bridge. And you saw how easily Thel managed to take out all those Marines, with or without his teammates help, he still managed to kill the majority of them by himself.


Again, you're using very specific examples and trying to apply them to the whole. It's just not going to work that way.

  • 09.03.2011 4:01 PM PDT

"Spartans are never missing in action, they just die, Jorge!" - Carter in The Halo Reach team is high on meth

Halo: Wars says otherwise

In the trailer the first marine to run out of the forerunner structure is killed by one plasma bolt in the back, i said torso - which is front and back, so what i say is true - from a certain point of view. Ok, the PR may not be a one-shot kill all the time but it has capability to be and in real-life it probably would be since the heat trauma and burns caused by the bolt would do severe damage to bodily tissue and organs and maybe also put the victim into shock, which can be fatal.

I posted a url to a pic of Obi-Wan, but since it wasnt of him saying the a certain point of view line i removed it

[Edited on 09.03.2011 4:08 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 4:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Again, you're using very specific examples and trying to apply them to the whole. It's just not going to work that way.


I've been saying this whole time that not all Elite's are like that, but I'm giving specific examples for those Elite's that are around Ultra's level of skill or higher. There's a reason why there are so few Ultras seen throughout the trilogy. There numbers are scarce, the same as the Spartans.

Anyways, there arent really that many cases where we see an Ultra fight other than the games, and we all know that gameplay =/= reality. The only case that comes to mind is in Dirt, and then there are the Elite's of Headhunters (which are obviously higher than Ultras) and the Elite from the Bridge in First Strike.

  • 09.03.2011 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ferrrari
Also i got some other things.

1. 10 marines vs 1 elite ultra

2. 6 odst vs 1 elite zealot

3. 10 marines vs a sprtan 2 or 3 with mjolnir Mk v armour

And last but not least, could ground fire from the unsc (like tanks, spartan lasers ect), damage a light covie ship such as a corvette if it were within range?

No, Yes, No, and Yes.

  • 09.03.2011 4:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
I would love to see the kill/death ratio of the Elite's on marines during the war. I can assure you in direct combat, the Elite's come out winning. The Elite's only seem so inefficient because that's what we see. Yes, I agree there are times where they act dumb and deserve to loose the battles, but who knows how many battles throughout the war the Elite's came clearly out in victory. We just dont know of them.

That is pretty asinine. Basically, you just said to me: "Just because we don't see it doesn't mean that it is not there, therefore it is there".

We do not see it, so there is no evidence for it (In the case of reading) therefore we do not act under the assumption that it is, because there is scant evidence for it. All we see are Elites getting hammered by a numerically and technologically inferior foe groundside. We don't see contrary evidence, so why act like it is there?

We don't see a pink unicorn in any Halo media. Does that mean that it is there too, or that it should even be treated as a sensible possibility?

Posted by: HipiO7
But then again, with the Spartans, not all Elite's are natural killing machines, even if trained all their lifes. Just like not anyone could become Spartans. The Elite's that werent focused and what not died. End of story. The Elite's that were cunning, resourceful, adaptive, and intelligent survived throughout the war and rose through the ranks. Elite's that are higher in the ranks is because they have proven, again and again, how combat effective they are individually or in squads, on the field of battle.

What makes this Elite's tactical experience any more than the commander of the Marine/ODSTs groups? That is basically what was being asked. The answer is nothing necessarily.

*Should say how scalp count is not as reliable as promotion based primarily on tactical and strategic ability*

Posted by: HipiO7
The best example of an Elite that perfectly fits my ideal is the one aboard Acendant Justice in First Strike. The ONLY REASON the Chief managed to beat him, which he did not even manage to kill the Elite, was because Johnson and Locklear were there to lay fire on him. Had it not been for them, I have no doubt John would have lost.

Had John a fully functioning suit of armour, bullets in his AR and a few days of rest I have no doubt that the Elite would be dead just like all the others.

And the Elite is an idiot. Want to know why? He threw away his gun (And the chance to nail John right then and there) and took off his helmet. This would later come back to bite him in the ass when John nearly gets the plasma pistol and when the Elite trips on his own helmet and falls on his ass.

And this is your best example?

Posted by: HipiO7
From what I remember, ODST's and Marines were always present aboard naval ships. Yet again, look at Dirt in Evolutions. Gage and his ODST's were flash unfreezed just in case their ship was boarded when their battle group was ambushed. Look at the Pillar of Autumn when it was boarded, there were marines all over the place fighting, trying to contain the breaches.

There were only slightly more than 20 men on the vessel when Thel got there (That includes the ones who tried to repel Thel's boarders). If that is not the naval crew then who was controlling the ship and making sure that its information systems were properly irretrievable?

Posted by: HipiO7
And I only remember Thel using one grenade in the whole fight when they were ambushed at the Bridge. And you saw how easily Thel managed to take out all those Marines, with or without his teammates help, he still managed to kill the majority of them by himself.

It is plural. Page 140 of Cole Protocol for anyone interested in confirming that.

As for your example from Dirt saying how it was an Ultra specifically that killed those ODSTs. You are lying. I checked it and no indication is given as to the Elite's rank. Page 130 is where that line is at.

  • 09.03.2011 4:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: HipiO7
I would love to see the kill/death ratio of the Elite's on marines during the war. I can assure you in direct combat, the Elite's come out winning. The Elite's only seem so inefficient because that's what we see. Yes, I agree there are times where they act dumb and deserve to loose the battles, but who knows how many battles throughout the war the Elite's came clearly out in victory. We just dont know of them.

That is pretty asinine. Basically, you just said to me: "Just because we don't see it doesn't mean that it is not there, therefore it is there".

We do not see it, so there is no evidence for it (In the case of reading) therefore we do not act under the assumption that it is, because there is scant evidence for it. All we see are Elites getting hammered by a numerically and technologically inferior foe groundside. We don't see contrary evidence, so why act like it is there?

We don't see a pink unicorn in any Halo media. Does that mean that it is there too, or that it should even be treated as a sensible possibility?

Posted by: HipiO7
But then again, with the Spartans, not all Elite's are natural killing machines, even if trained all their lifes. Just like not anyone could become Spartans. The Elite's that werent focused and what not died. End of story. The Elite's that were cunning, resourceful, adaptive, and intelligent survived throughout the war and rose through the ranks. Elite's that are higher in the ranks is because they have proven, again and again, how combat effective they are individually or in squads, on the field of battle.

What makes this Elite's tactical experience any more than the commander of the Marine/ODSTs groups? That is basically what was being asked. The answer is nothing necessarily.

*Should say how scalp count is not as reliable as promotion based primarily on tactical and strategic ability*

Posted by: HipiO7
The best example of an Elite that perfectly fits my ideal is the one aboard Acendant Justice in First Strike. The ONLY REASON the Chief managed to beat him, which he did not even manage to kill the Elite, was because Johnson and Locklear were there to lay fire on him. Had it not been for them, I have no doubt John would have lost.

Had John a fully functioning suit of armour, bullets in his AR and a few days of rest I have no doubt that the Elite would be dead just like all the others.

And the Elite is an idiot. Want to know why? He threw away his gun (And the chance to nail John right then and there) and took off his helmet. This would later come back to bite him in the ass when John nearly gets the plasma pistol and when the Elite trips on his own helmet and falls on his ass.

And this is your best example?

Posted by: HipiO7
From what I remember, ODST's and Marines were always present aboard naval ships. Yet again, look at Dirt in Evolutions. Gage and his ODST's were flash unfreezed just in case their ship was boarded when their battle group was ambushed. Look at the Pillar of Autumn when it was boarded, there were marines all over the place fighting, trying to contain the breaches.

There were only slightly more than 20 men on the vessel when Thel got there (That includes the ones who tried to repel Thel's boarders). If that is not the naval crew then who was controlling the ship and making sure that its information systems were properly irretrievable?

Posted by: HipiO7
And I only remember Thel using one grenade in the whole fight when they were ambushed at the Bridge. And you saw how easily Thel managed to take out all those Marines, with or without his teammates help, he still managed to kill the majority of them by himself.

It is plural. Page 140 of Cole Protocol for anyone interested in confirming that.

As for your example from Dirt saying how it was an Ultra specifically that killed those ODSTs. You are lying. I checked it and no indication is given as to the Elite's rank. Page 130 is where that line is at.


Oh wow. I could have sworn that it said something about an Ultra taking out the ODST's. But I currently dont have any of the books at hand.
But then look at it that way. It wasent even an Ultra that took out all those ODST's, which leaves space for it to have been a lower rank, which means in straightforward combat, using a melee weapon, it was still able to kill almost of them. That says something about the Elites cunning and intelligence.

About not seeing them. The Spartan's are the same, most in the rank and file of the UNSC have never seen a Spartan, they have only heard of them and elevated them to near God status and taken them for given. Same would go for Ultras. We barly know they exist because there are very few testimony's to account for them, which means they normally left no survivors. Look at it in Reach, when Halsey describe's the Zealot teams in Sword Base after the secound mission. We are almost 80% of the time seeing everything from the UNSC's point of view, we only normally get informed on the battles that the UNSC wins or were winning before having to pull back. If the Covenant win a battle, we will never see what forces partook in the fight, unless from what survivors say. And from what it looks like, the Ultras were not easily killed or even killed at all.

True and true. I wont deny that had John been as well rested as the Elite, the fight would have been more equal. But even with the known ego the Elites have, it was still a formidable foe, almost outwitting John. And about the fully functioning armor, what are talking about exactly? From what I remember everything worked fine untill the engagement where the Elite damaged the shield generator.

From what I remember, all the humans that ambushed Thel were described as marines with their ''olive drabs''. It dosent have to be naval crew who would have to take care of the nav database. Anyone on board should know how to delete the databases. Anyone. The executable worm was in every navigation system of every ship, and is described in the Cole Protocole.

Plural? I'll take your word for it. I havent read Cole Protocole in a long time. And without the books, I'm basing eveything off memory.

  • 09.03.2011 5:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
But then look at it that way. It wasent even an Ultra that took out all those ODST's, which leaves space for it to have been a lower rank

Low ranking Elites being permitted to use an Energy Sword?

Posted by: HipiO7
Same would go for Ultras. We barly know they exist because there are very few testimony's to account for them, which means they normally left no survivors.

Or, they are just another type of Elite that normal soldiers pay no special attention to. An Elite is an Elite. Snakey Jones in The Flood, when about to snipe one of his two possible Elite targets at the valley where Alpha Base's supply convoy was besieged, chose to snipe a blue armored Minor rather than the gold armored Field Master standing not two feet from that Minor. The fact that most Elites are, more often than not, just referred to as Elites rather than any specific coloration and even less so as any specific rank indicates this.

Posted by: HipiO7
almost outwitting John.

But it could not, and that is all that mattered in the end.

Posted by: HipiO7
And about the fully functioning armor, what are you talking about exactly? From what I remember everything worked fine untill the engagement where the Elite damaged the shield generator.

His shielding system blew when he was shot whilst forcing open the doors to the Ascendant Justice's bridge.

Posted by: HipiO7
From what I remember, all the humans that ambushed Thel were described as marines with their ''olive drabs''. It dosent have to be naval crew who would have to take care of the nav database. Anyone on board should know how to delete the databases. Anyone. The executable worm was in every navigation system of every ship, and is described in the Cole Protocol.

Conceded then.

  • 09.03.2011 5:45 PM PDT

1 Jackal in a good place can hold off several marines. So no.

  • 09.03.2011 5:53 PM PDT


Posted by: ArmedMike Ward
Halo: Wars says otherwise

In the trailer the first marine to run out of the forerunner structure is killed by one plasma bolt in the back, i said torso - which is front and back, so what i say is true - from a certain point of view.


Who says that Marine died? It could have simply knocked him down. If a Marine could be taken down by one plasma bolt to the most heavily armored section of their body, then it's kind of hard to believe that they can hold their own in ground engagements, as stated in "The Flood".

  • 09.03.2011 6:07 PM PDT


Posted by: ROFLCOPTER269
1 Jackal in a good place can hold off several marines. So no.


With the notches in its shield, no. The Jackal would fall even faster than the Elite.

  • 09.03.2011 6:08 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: HipiO7
But then look at it that way. It wasent even an Ultra that took out all those ODST's, which leaves space for it to have been a lower rank[/quote]
Low ranking Elites being permitted to use an Energy Sword?[/quote]
Yes. I know that aristocrats are the only ones that use Energy Swords, but I dont think that only them. Not all aristocrats have the so called ''sword wielder gene''. Because almost all high ranking Elite's carry a sword with them (Ultras, Spec Ops from Headhunters, Shipmasters, and so on) The number of sword wielders would be way too low. I mean it's a nice detail, and it adds depth tot he Elite's backround and culture, but I for one, dont like it. But whatever.

Posted by: HipiO7
Same would go for Ultras. We barly know they exist because there are very few testimony's to account for them, which means they normally left no survivors.[/quote]
Or, they are just another type of Elite that normal soldiers pay no special attention to. An Elite is an Elite. Snakey Jones in The Flood, when about to snipe one of his two possible Elite targets at the valley where Alpha Base's supply convoy was besieged, chose to snipe a blue armored Minor rather than the gold armored Field Master standing not two feet from that Minor. The fact that most Elites are, more often than not, just referred to as Elites rather than any specific coloration and even less so as any specific rank indicates this.[/quote] I found that part very weird. It's kind of obvious that gold is a more flashier color than blue, and a much less common seen color on the battlefield, which would logically mean it's a higher rank. But instead he simply choose to take out the Blue one. I'll never understand why he did that. Anyways, I'm positive there are ELite's that regular troops see, and know they mean business, and not just simply discard them as simply another Elite.

Posted by: HipiO7
almost outwitting John.

But it could not, and that is all that mattered in the end.
True enough. It dosent matter how you win, as long as you win.

Posted by: HipiO7
And about the fully functioning armor, what are you talking about exactly? From what I remember everything worked fine untill the engagement where the Elite damaged the shield generator.

His shielding system blew when he was shot whilst forcing open the doors to the Ascendant Justice's bridge.

I remember it getting damaged when the Energy Sword pierced his upper shoulder. Not from taking fire at the door. But then again, you could be right.

Posted by: HipiO7
From what I remember, all the humans that ambushed Thel were described as marines with their ''olive drabs''. It dosent have to be naval crew who would have to take care of the nav database. Anyone on board should know how to delete the databases. Anyone. The executable worm was in every navigation system of every ship, and is described in the Cole Protocol.

Conceded then.

  • 09.03.2011 6:09 PM PDT

Posted by: anton1792
Low ranking Elites being permitted to use an Energy Sword?


Aren't they allowed to use the Energy Sword?
If I'm correct, the Blue Elites (Sangheili Minor) is the lowest rank. Because I've seen them using energy swords.
For Ex:
1
2, the end of it

  • 09.03.2011 6:36 PM PDT

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10 Marines with Assault Rifles vs 1 Ultra with a Cuncussion Rifle. I can barely kill one on Legendary? What makes you think that 10 mindless Marines can kill one of those nasty mother-blam!-s?

  • 09.03.2011 6:39 PM PDT

Heroic is the default difficulty my friend, and it really depends on the situation. Like if you were in a conventional room, the Elite would probably kill me, but if it was an open field, I would kill it with ease.
Posted by: blade246
10 Marines with Assault Rifles vs 1 Ultra with a Cuncussion Rifle. I can barely kill one on Legendary? What makes you think that 10 mindless Marines can kill one of those nasty mother-blam!-s?

  • 09.03.2011 6:42 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.


Posted by: blade246
10 Marines with Assault Rifles vs 1 Ultra with a Cuncussion Rifle. I can barely kill one on Legendary? What makes you think that 10 mindless Marines can kill one of those nasty mother-blam!-s?

Because legendary isn't accurate???

And if the marines all had shotguns?

  • 09.03.2011 6:44 PM PDT