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Subject: Blue Team vs. Noble Team

You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.

  • 09.14.2011 6:47 PM PDT


Posted by: xtcarnage15586
You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.


Compared to a marine, sure.

  • 09.14.2011 6:49 PM PDT

Guys lets compare the weapons Deadliest warrior Style.

Close Range: MA5B vs. MA37 edge MA5B due to more ammo copacity, more damage and longer range.

Pistol: M6D (Compat Evolved) vs. M6C (Reach) edge M6D longer range, extremely overpowered.

Medium Range: Battle Rifle (Halo 2, 3) vs. DMR Battle Rifle is longer range, and burst shot more powerful. Also it does not lose accuracy when you shoot it fast.

Shotguns: Dead Even

Snipers: Blue team wins because their sniper can go into night vision always when zoomed in.

  • 09.14.2011 6:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: xtcarnage15586
You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.


Compared to a marine, sure.


Compared to any regular human. He has the strength and armor to take the full recoil of the weapon with no real problem.

  • 09.14.2011 6:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: xtcarnage15586
You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.


Compared to a spartan 3, obviously.
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  • 09.14.2011 6:55 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: xtcarnage15586
You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.


Compared to a marine, sure.

Yeah and when spartan 3s shoot weapons there's a hell of a lot of recoil!
Compared to any regular human. He has the strength and armor to take the full recoil of the weapon with no real problem.

  • 09.14.2011 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: xtcarnage15586

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: xtcarnage15586
You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.


Compared to a marine, sure.

Compared to any regular human. He has the strength and armor to take the full recoil of the weapon with no real problem.
Yeah and when spartan 3s shoot weapons there's a hell of a lot of recoil!

  • 09.14.2011 10:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: xtcarnage15586

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: xtcarnage15586
You guys do realise that halsey was probably just complimenting Jun. Master chief is an excelent sniper.


Compared to a marine, sure.

Compared to any regular human. He has the strength and armor to take the full recoil of the weapon with no real problem.
Yeah and when spartan 3s shoot weapons there's a hell of a lot of recoil!


So, Elites are Spartan III's too eh?

  • 09.14.2011 10:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: xtcarnage15586
Guys lets compare the weapons Deadliest warrior Style.

Close Range: MA5B vs. MA37 edge MA5B due to more ammo copacity, more damage and longer range.

Pistol: M6D (Compat Evolved) vs. M6C (Reach) edge M6D longer range, extremely overpowered.

Medium Range: Battle Rifle (Halo 2, 3) vs. DMR Battle Rifle is longer range, and burst shot more powerful. Also it does not lose accuracy when you shoot it fast.

Shotguns: Dead Even

Snipers: Blue team wins because their sniper can go into night vision always when zoomed in.


1 - Same weapon, different variants.
2 - What the M6G lacks on fire power, it exalts in rate of fire.
3 - the DMR is far more powerful than the BR, it takes 5 shots as opposed to the BR's 12 (3 bullets each shot) to kill a Spartan.
4 - The M45 is far more powerful than the M90
5 - Well, it seems rather pointless to have a sniper rifle with night vision when 1: The Spartans can see in the dark already and 2: MJOLNIR has a night vision mode integrated. At least Noble's version is actually anti-materiel and can actually do more than just scratch the paint of a warthog.

  • 09.14.2011 10:37 PM PDT


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: Surperion93

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
*sigh*

Sounds like people are using ingame player feats (sniping as well as Jun) and ingame AI to state how good characters are.


I'm not using in-game Jun. But people are saying Jun=Linda and Jun>Linda, yet they have not shown any feats for Jun that would prove that. You can't just say because Jun is a S-III sniper he suddenly rivals Linda without backing it up.


Perhaps not, but by the same token you can't say he absolutely sucks can you?

If we take Halsey's comments on them as semi-canon facts, he is a highly skilled sniper.


But if we take what we ACTUALLY know by reading Linda's skill in the books in comparison to what a single person states in a game trailer then we can conclude that as far as we're aware Linda is a better sniper.

Also Halsey has been dismissed as s source of canon in skill in the past by you I think? (in regards to John) so why is now any different? It's not like she is reading out Jun's file. I doubt it says "As a sniper his skills are un-matched" in his file.


Examples are completely irrelevant when it's stated by a character, especially if that character was the "mother" of Linda, so to say.
Just saying, if Halsey knows Linda that well, but not Jun all that well, and she says his sniping skills are unmatched, you're obligated to believe it.
Examples are completely irrelevant.


Then tell me where does Halsey manage to find enough examples to base her opinion on? She hasn't even met him yet and as I stated it doesn't say "As a Sniper his skills are un-matched" in his file so where does she draw this conclusion?

And bull-blam!- are examples from BOOKS and CANON thrown out the window just because one damn character states otherwise especially when they say it on a TRAILER and probably only said half that crap just to introduce the characters. I have read examples of Lind's sniping prowess whereas for Jun's all I have to go on is one damn statement from someone on a trailer that sounds like opinion. For all we know she was complimenting him or it was just blind opinion on her behlaf.

[Edited on 09.15.2011 3:28 AM PDT]

  • 09.15.2011 3:26 AM PDT
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No Jorge would turn around and absolutely murder the rest of noble team
and Fred would of stabbed Emile with his own knife
LOL

Still the S1's would beat both of them
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  • 09.15.2011 3:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal
NOBLE 6 has taken down militias yes, but Master Chief, no armor, age 14 infiltrated an Innie astroid base, captured their leader, and got away before the security guards even knew what was happening. Granted this was with Blue Team, but while 6 was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies of Covenant forces.

The ambush is also not a good indication. If NOBLE 6 was in MC's place, he would have fallen into the same trap.


A: Chief had armor. Wasn't MJONLIR, but it was armor.
B: Chief did it with his team, so don't act as if he gets all credit.
C: "While six was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies." Haha, yeah right. You mean "Chief and his squad was taking on Covenant forces." I don't think I've ever read about him and squad taking on an entire army and killing every single foe.


Dude in the beginning of Fall of Reach Blue Team took out TWO THOUSAND grunts and 5 banshees.

6 vs 2000 and 5 banshees, and they won. Zero injuries.

  • 09.15.2011 3:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ignited Prophecy

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal
NOBLE 6 has taken down militias yes, but Master Chief, no armor, age 14 infiltrated an Innie astroid base, captured their leader, and got away before the security guards even knew what was happening. Granted this was with Blue Team, but while 6 was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies of Covenant forces.

The ambush is also not a good indication. If NOBLE 6 was in MC's place, he would have fallen into the same trap.


A: Chief had armor. Wasn't MJONLIR, but it was armor.
B: Chief did it with his team, so don't act as if he gets all credit.
C: "While six was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies." Haha, yeah right. You mean "Chief and his squad was taking on Covenant forces." I don't think I've ever read about him and squad taking on an entire army and killing every single foe.


Dude in the beginning of Fall of Reach Blue Team took out TWO THOUSAND grunts and 5 banshees.

6 vs 2000 and 5 banshees, and they won. Zero injuries.


They had already prepared a trap the morning before the fight, they had set up LOTUS Anti-tank mines and had rocket launchers. Actually, most of the grunts were killed by either the explosion of the mines or the Jackhammers they shot at them, that's not really counting to the "they can take an enemy army" even a Marine could have done that with the right plan.

  • 09.15.2011 8:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Also in the defense of Noble, not all the grunt were armed. Many were unarmed and their tactics consisted of a rush attack directly at the Spartans. Anyone could have set up a trap to exploit that.

  • 09.15.2011 9:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: xtcarnage15586
Guys lets compare the weapons Deadliest warrior Style.

Close Range: MA5B vs. MA37 edge MA5B due to more ammo copacity, more damage and longer range.

Pistol: M6D (Compat Evolved) vs. M6C (Reach) edge M6D longer range, extremely overpowered.

Medium Range: Battle Rifle (Halo 2, 3) vs. DMR Battle Rifle is longer range, and burst shot more powerful. Also it does not lose accuracy when you shoot it fast.

Shotguns: Dead Even

Snipers: Blue team wins because their sniper can go into night vision always when zoomed in.


1 - Same weapon, different variants.
2 - What the M6G lacks on fire power, it exalts in rate of fire.
3 - the DMR is far more powerful than the BR, it takes 5 shots as opposed to the BR's 12 (3 bullets each shot) to kill a Spartan.
4 - The M45 is far more powerful than the M90
5 - Well, it seems rather pointless to have a sniper rifle with night vision when 1: The Spartans can see in the dark already and 2: MJOLNIR has a night vision mode integrated. At least Noble's version is actually anti-materiel and can actually do more than just scratch the paint of a warthog.


1.So the 60 round clip of 7.62mm AP rounds of the MA5B is = to the 32 round clip of 7.62mm?

2.Basically

3.Wrong, wrong, wrong. The BR55 fires a 3 round burst of 9mm AP rounds. The DMR fires a single 7.62mm AP round. Learn basic balistics. Also, that damage is game mechanics. Master Chief's Mark V armor's shields only dropped to half after a smattering of 50mm rounds(So about 5, and this was during the Mark V test if you want to look it up). 50mm bullets make 7.62mm look like pebbles.

4. Proof outside of game mechanics? They both fire an 8-guage round. They are basically equal.

5. Game mechanics. Both are basically the same gun with different names

  • 09.15.2011 4:18 PM PDT

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The M45 fires a smaller frame, thus, making the damage greater at the expense of not being able to hit as much targets.

  • 09.15.2011 4:54 PM PDT
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But M90 has a longer range by what you just said, so basically equal anyways. And a shotgun vs MJOLNIR won't do anything but bounce off. The most use it would be is to bludgeon another SPARTAN, but H2H martial arts skills are > than that.

  • 09.15.2011 5:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jgordon14
No Jorge would turn around and absolutely murder the rest of noble team
and Fred would of stabbed Emile with his own knife
LOL

Still the S1's would beat both of them
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  • 09.18.2011 9:26 AM PDT

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And my answer to this question is that they will never meet so for now its a tie.

  • 09.18.2011 12:58 PM PDT
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Well, I hate to be the ultra-technical one and bring this up, but technically Blue Team is as follows:

John
Fred
Kelly
Linda
Tom
Lucy

  • 09.18.2011 9:31 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Well, I hate to be the ultra-technical one and bring this up, but technically Blue Team is as follows:

John
Fred
Kelly
Linda
Tom
Lucy
Blue team wins.

  • 09.19.2011 4:06 PM PDT

I came to this thread thinking you meant Blue Team from Red vs Blue.

However, that doesn't change my answer. Halo's Blue Team or Red vs Blue's Blue Team would easily beat Noble Team. (In the latter's case, without Tex.)

[Edited on 09.19.2011 4:07 PM PDT]

  • 09.19.2011 4:07 PM PDT


Posted by: PlasmaSnake893
I came to this thread thinking you meant Blue Team from Red vs Blue.

However, that doesn't change my answer. Halo's Blue Team or Red vs Blue's Blue Team would easily beat Noble Team. (In the latter's case, without Tex.)


I'll respect your opinion, but shake my head at how the heck you think a group of mostly untrained/unskilled 'soldiers', especially with one who has a knack for friendly fire, can defeat a Spartan team.

  • 09.19.2011 4:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PlasmaSnake893
I came to this thread thinking you meant Blue Team from Red vs Blue.

However, that doesn't change my answer. Halo's Blue Team or Red vs Blue's Blue Team would easily beat Noble Team. (In the latter's case, without Tex.)


I'll respect your opinion, but shake my head at how the heck you think a group of mostly untrained/unskilled 'soldiers', especially with one who has a knack for friendly fire, can defeat a Spartan team.


I wouldn't put much behind Plamsa, he has no grasp of canon.

  • 09.19.2011 4:23 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Blue team?(rvb)
Oh, that blue team.
They would win and then save the galaxy from flood.

  • 09.19.2011 4:47 PM PDT