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Subject: Blue Team vs. Noble Team

From Ghost Of Onyx. (Describing Kelly getting into a hand to hand fight with a Spartan III)

"...She spun and saw a ghostly figure, moving toward her - faster than any human could move.
Kelly sidestepped, grabbed the arm, twisted.
Whatever it was, it wasn't human; otherwise Kelly would have ripped it's human arm from the socket.
Her opponent twisted her wrist and escaped from Kelly's grip.
Kelly was still faster - her other hand lashed out, palm flat, and impacted the solar plexus.
The other figure flew two meters, hit a tree, and slumped."

Spartan IIs, especially Blue Team and Red Team > Spartan IIIs and Noble Team.

  • 09.03.2011 7:30 PM PDT
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Blue Team wins

Master Chief>carter
Linda>Jun
Kelly>Kat
Fred>Jorge
Will>NOBLE 6

and then there is Emile, but with that much advantage, he really doesn't matter.

  • 09.03.2011 7:32 PM PDT


Posted by: RavUKsoldier
From Ghost Of Onyx. (Describing Kelly getting into a hand to hand fight with a Spartan III)

"...She spun and saw a ghostly figure, moving toward her - faster than any human could move.
Kelly sidestepped, grabbed the arm, twisted.
Whatever it was, it wasn't human; otherwise Kelly would have ripped it's human arm from the socket.
Her opponent twisted her wrist and escaped from Kelly's grip.
Kelly was still faster - her other hand lashed out, palm flat, and impacted the solar plexus.
The other figure flew two meters, hit a tree, and slumped."

Spartan IIs, especially Blue Team and Red Team > Spartan IIIs and Noble Team.


A: Bad example. Fastest Spartan ever vs a Freshly graduated (aka not long after augmentations) Spartan.
B: It doesn't really prove anything besides Kelly is *GASP* faster.

  • 09.03.2011 7:36 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: superiorarsenal
Fred>Jorge

?

  • 09.03.2011 7:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RavUKsoldier
From Ghost Of Onyx. (Describing Kelly getting into a hand to hand fight with a Spartan III)

"...She spun and saw a ghostly figure, moving toward her - faster than any human could move.
Kelly sidestepped, grabbed the arm, twisted.
Whatever it was, it wasn't human; otherwise Kelly would have ripped it's human arm from the socket.
Her opponent twisted her wrist and escaped from Kelly's grip.
Kelly was still faster - her other hand lashed out, palm flat, and impacted the solar plexus.
The other figure flew two meters, hit a tree, and slumped."

Spartan IIs, especially Blue Team and Red Team > Spartan IIIs and Noble Team.


A: Bad example. Fastest Spartan ever vs a Freshly graduated (aka not long after augmentations) Spartan.
B: It doesn't really prove anything besides Kelly is *GASP* faster.


Quit getting defensive over your precious Spartan IIIs. Spartan IIIs were made to be disposable. Shipped out like a factory assembly line. Pumped with augmentations and given the best technology the UNSC had, but most didn't make it long enough to become 'experienced combat veterans.'

There aren't much differences between Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs except experience, the edge given greatly to the Spartan IIs (specifically Blue Team).

John was known as the 'overall' best recruit of the Spartan IIs, that's why he was named their 'leader' and given the best team.
Blue Team:
John's rival in training, and told to be almost just as good John was Fred.
Kelly was known as the fastest Spartan. John mentions, and there are many mentions in the book how incredibly fast she is.
Linda is an unbelievable shot with a rifle, unsurpassed skills in marksmanship by anyone.
Kurt TRAINED the Spartan IIIs.
Sam and Will, also both great Spartans were apart of Blue Team at different times.

And to whoever said 'if it wasn't for noble team blah blah blah'. Actually, if it wasn't for Red Team (Spartan IIs). Getting off of reach for Hasley, and everything 'good' that came out of Reach for the Humans would not have happened.

Spartan II's were trained longer, harder, and have much more battle experience than any Spartan III.

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Blue Team was killing "Innies" before the members of NOBLE Team were even born(Except Jorge of course).

  • 09.03.2011 8:12 PM PDT

John was known as the 'overall' best recruit of the Spartan IIs, that's why he was named their 'leader' and given the best team.

Ha, John was named leader after the incident in the mountains where he organized the map pieces and lead everybody to extraction, then was the last person on the pelican so he'd take the blame for not staying behind. It wasn't "Him being overall best"


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Blue Team was killing "Innies" before the members of NOBLE Team were even born(Except Jorge of course).


Noble Six killing entire terrorist organizations and making militia groups disappear, somebody John's team hasn't accomplished. Hell, they walked straight into a trap after they went "Meh" to Kurt's warning.

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I vote Blue Team. But by Blue Team I mean Church, Tucker, and Caboose. Maybe Tex.

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NOBLE 6 has taken down militias yes, but Master Chief, no armor, age 14 infiltrated an Innie astroid base, captured their leader, and got away before the security guards even knew what was happening. Granted this was with Blue Team, but while 6 was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies of Covenant forces.

The ambush is also not a good indication. If NOBLE 6 was in MC's place, he would have fallen into the same trap.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
John was known as the 'overall' best recruit of the Spartan IIs, that's why he was named their 'leader' and given the best team.

Ha, John was named leader after the incident in the mountains where he organized the map pieces and lead everybody to extraction, then was the last person on the pelican so he'd take the blame for not staying behind. It wasn't "Him being overall best"


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Blue Team was killing "Innies" before the members of NOBLE Team were even born(Except Jorge of course).


Noble Six killing entire terrorist organizations and making militia groups disappear, somebody John's team hasn't accomplished. Hell, they walked straight into a trap after they went "Meh" to Kurt's warning.


Well if we're comparing track records:
-Blew up Installation 04
-Defeated the Galactic super threat known as the Flood, twice
-Defeated the Covenant
-Survived Reach
-Killed the Gravemind
-Blew up a flood infested High Charity
-Blew up Installation 04, again
-Did severe damage to the Ark
-Survived the Flood outbreaks
-Has killed multiple high ranking Covenant military officers
-Has killed a high ranking prophet
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived.
-Has a considerably high amount of combat experience against humans, aliens, parasites, and killer insane AI.

And that's just John.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 8:45 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 8:40 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
NOBLE 6 has taken down militias yes, but Master Chief, no armor, age 14 infiltrated an Innie astroid base, captured their leader, and got away before the security guards even knew what was happening. Granted this was with Blue Team, but while 6 was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies of Covenant forces.

The ambush is also not a good indication. If NOBLE 6 was in MC's place, he would have fallen into the same trap.


A: Chief had armor. Wasn't MJONLIR, but it was armor.
B: Chief did it with his team, so don't act as if he gets all credit.
C: "While six was taking down militias, Master Chief was slaughtering armies." Haha, yeah right. You mean "Chief and his squad was taking on Covenant forces." I don't think I've ever read about him and squad taking on an entire army and killing every single foe.

  • 09.03.2011 8:42 PM PDT


Posted by: LonE ZealoT
Well if we're comparing track records:
-Blew up Installation 04 You mean overloaded the PoA reactor's and caused it to tear itself apart.
-Defeated the Galactic super threat known as the Flood, twice You mean once. Second time goes to Cortana (see below)
-Defeated the Covenant Elites get this credit. Thel gets credit for killing Truth, and thus defeating the Covenant
-Survived Reach Chief didn't take place on the ground battle of Reach, therefore this point is null
-Killed the Gravemind Did he? See below. Cortana gets credit
-Blew up High Charity It was already heavily damaged.
-Blew up Installation 04, again He didn't even have anything to do with this. Cortana Activated Halo, it ripped itself apart.
-Did severe damage to the Ark And what does this matter? Credit goes to Cortana anyway
-Survived the Flood outbreaks With trouble. Much less impressive when a marine sergeant survived through most of the library by himself
-Has killed multiple high ranking Covenant military officers So have others.
-Has killed a high ranking prophet Only because reinforcements were denied to Regret. So in a sense, Truth gets some credit.
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived. And got KOed and was thought to be dead. Not really a thing to boast about.
-Has a considerably high amount of combat experience against humans, aliens, parasites, and killer insane AI. And...? "Killer insane AI" Haha. He hardly went toe to toe with 343(directly). I don't see how that one came around. Regardless, this one doesn't truly count if we are going off them at time of Battle of Reach eh?

And that's just John.


Note bolded replies.

  • 09.03.2011 8:52 PM PDT

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Well, due to the lack of character development of Noble Team (dont take it the wrong way), Im not sure if we have enough to go on. We know their skill sets but we havent really seen them in action save for a handfull of missions defending Reach.

Blue team... Well, if youve read the books, you know what theyre capable of.

But going off of what was said and the info that we do have,
John > Carter
Jun=Linda (yes, it hurts me to say this)
Fred > Kat
And the rest are toss ups. Noble does have one SII, but no one on their team can match Kellys speed, so...

Go Blue!

Now if you said Kurt, John, Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Lucy*, you wouldnt even have to ask.


[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:01 PM PDT]

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT
Well if we're comparing track records:
-Blew up Installation 04 You mean overloaded the PoA reactor's and caused it to tear itself apart.
-Defeated the Galactic super threat known as the Flood, twice You mean once. Second time goes to Cortana (see below)
-Defeated the Covenant Elites get this credit. Thel gets credit for killing Truth, and thus defeating the Covenant
-Survived Reach Chief didn't take place on the ground battle of Reach, therefore this point is null
-Killed the Gravemind Did he? See below. Cortana gets credit
-Blew up High Charity It was already heavily damaged.
-Blew up Installation 04, again He didn't even have anything to do with this. Cortana Activated Halo, it ripped itself apart.
-Did severe damage to the Ark And what does this matter? Credit goes to Cortana anyway
-Survived the Flood outbreaks With trouble. Much less impressive when a marine sergeant survived through most of the library by himself
-Has killed multiple high ranking Covenant military officers So have others.
-Has killed a high ranking prophet Only because reinforcements were denied to Regret. So in a sense, Truth gets some credit.
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived. And got KOed and was thought to be dead. Not really a thing to boast about.
-Has a considerably high amount of combat experience against humans, aliens, parasites, and killer insane AI. And...? "Killer insane AI" Haha. He hardly went toe to toe with 343(directly). I don't see how that one came around. Regardless, this one doesn't truly count if we are going off them at time of Battle of Reach eh?

And that's just John.


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Destruction of High Charity
At her recommendation, he overloaded the reactor core, by destroying its pylons, as he maneuvered back through High Charity to meet the Arbiter and re-activate the crashed Pelican to fly out of range of the explosion. High Charity was completely destroyed in the resulting explosions, with only the outer structure remaining when Installation 04B was fired, its debris showering the inactive Installation and the Ark below


Herp derp.

Also, the defeat of Gravemind, activation of 04B it's destruction, and the damage to the Ark "by Cortana" would not have happened if Chief hadn't saved her from rampancy and given her a physical terminal for transportation to the various interfaces she needed to reach. By all rights, he deserves credit.

The marine sergeant in CE's story was never fleshed out, for all we know he only came up against a few forms without human/covenant weaponry instead of the legions of Flood the chief had to bypass.

And I guess shooting a spartan laser at an Insane AI firing red kamehamehas (especially after said red kamehameha firing Insane AI already fired his lazer at you directly on the chest plate) doesn't count as "direct engagement" to you.

And by all means, even if Thel killed Truth you just reminded me, Chief saved the entire galaxy from extinction by fighting his way to the Ark's halo array control and deactivating it. The friggin' galaxy, saved by ONE member of Blue Team.

Finally, surviving Reach doesn't mean only ground engagements. If you would kindly recall an entire fleet of spaceships was in orbit of Reach with thousands (possibly a couple million) covenant troops and attack craft, and the Chief resided in space amongst said uglies so he could complete the Cole Protocol.

Also the fact that the marines thought the Chief was dead from jumping is irrelevant. Anyone would initially believe he was dead because of the sheer impossibility. The fact he survived proves how truly badass he is. Refusing to be taken to the grave by the -blam!- gravity of a planet, how many people can say they've done that?

What have ye to say now?

[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:12 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 9:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

You think Gravemind is defeated...ha ha ha ha ha.

  • 09.03.2011 9:13 PM PDT


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That's no contest. I think Linda alone would cap all of Noble team before Kelly could reach them.
But what about Jun??

What about Jun? What did he ever do? Nothing.


''Noble Three, as a sniper his skills are unmatched''

Also,

6 Spartans > 5 Spartans

Except Linda once one-shoted several banshees while hanging upside-down by her feet, firing one handed and without the scope. Yeah...

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That would be such a slaughter...Blue Team, beyond all doubt.

Anywhere from 2x - 4x the experience, the skill, and knowledge of Spartan Tactics.

Noble would be ripped to pieces.

  • 09.03.2011 9:23 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Blue Team wins

Master Chief>carter
Linda>Jun
Kelly>Kat
Fred>Jorge
Will>NOBLE 6

and then there is Emile, but with that much advantage, he really doesn't matter.

Will is not better than Six, unless we're talking H-to-H.
Only one SPARTAN is better than Six...

  • 09.03.2011 9:23 PM PDT


Posted by: LonE ZealoT
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived.

Well, I'll quote the Marine medic now, "Two Kilometres, easy."
Two kM up (planes fly higher than this).
Noble did much the same FROM FRIGGIN' SPACE

  • 09.03.2011 9:30 PM PDT

Blue would win, BUT I don't think they would "demolish" Noble, they'd still have a fight.

  • 09.03.2011 9:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
Blue Team wins

Master Chief>carter
Linda>Jun
Kelly>Kat
Fred>Jorge
Will>NOBLE 6

and then there is Emile, but with that much advantage, he really doesn't matter.

Will is not better than Six, unless we're talking H-to-H.
Only one SPARTAN is better than Six...


I have to admit that the fact that 6 is automatically one of the greatest spartans ever just because of a few lines from Halsey really bothers me. Besides, he may be the best or one of the best when it comes to killing and making people "disappear" but theres more to being a spartan than just that.

  • 09.03.2011 9:33 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Wiping out entire rebel and militia groups.
Used as a personal assassin to a higher up in ONI.
Being a skilled pilot in the secret Sabre Program.
Being a kac-of-all trades as shown in Reach's campaign.
Albe to change from being a team player to a soloist on the fly.

  • 09.03.2011 9:35 PM PDT

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Wiping out entire rebel and militia groups.
Used as a personal assassin to a higher up in ONI.
Being a skilled pilot in the secret Sabre Program.
Being a kac-of-all trades as shown in Reach's campaign.
Albe to change from being a team player to a soloist on the fly.


Yeah, but we dont have many details about the first two things you mentioned and that is why 6 is a "weak" character to me. We're just going off of things that were mentioned in his file or what Halsey had to say about him. It all just seems pretty made up to me.

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived.

Well, I'll quote the Marine medic now, "Two Kilometres, easy."
Two kM up (planes fly higher than this).
Noble did much the same FROM FRIGGIN' SPACE


He had a magical re entry pack, -blam!- don't count.

Also http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100111075723/halo/ima ges/thumb/5/52/S117returnstoEarth2552.jpg/830px-S117returnsto Earth2552.jpg

Does not look like 2 km up

[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:42 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 9:40 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Halsey wasn't the only one to mention he took out rebel groups and such, Kurt mentioned it as well.

Posted by: LonE ZealoT

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived.

Well, I'll quote the Marine medic now, "Two Kilometres, easy."
Two kM up (planes fly higher than this).
Noble did much the same FROM FRIGGIN' SPACE


He had a magical re entry pack, -blam!- don't count.


Chief also used a piece of said ship as a heat-shield.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:41 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 9:40 PM PDT