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Subject: Blue Team vs. Noble Team

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: LonE ZealoT
Well if we're comparing track records:
-Blew up Installation 04 You mean overloaded the PoA reactor's and caused it to tear itself apart.
-Defeated the Galactic super threat known as the Flood, twice You mean once. Second time goes to Cortana (see below)
-Defeated the Covenant Elites get this credit. Thel gets credit for killing Truth, and thus defeating the Covenant
-Survived Reach Chief didn't take place on the ground battle of Reach, therefore this point is null
-Killed the Gravemind Did he? See below. Cortana gets credit
-Blew up High Charity It was already heavily damaged.
-Blew up Installation 04, again He didn't even have anything to do with this. Cortana Activated Halo, it ripped itself apart.
-Did severe damage to the Ark And what does this matter? Credit goes to Cortana anyway
-Survived the Flood outbreaks With trouble. Much less impressive when a marine sergeant survived through most of the library by himself
-Has killed multiple high ranking Covenant military officers So have others.
-Has killed a high ranking prophet Only because reinforcements were denied to Regret. So in a sense, Truth gets some credit.
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived. And got KOed and was thought to be dead. Not really a thing to boast about.
-Has a considerably high amount of combat experience against humans, aliens, parasites, and killer insane AI. And...? "Killer insane AI" Haha. He hardly went toe to toe with 343(directly). I don't see how that one came around. Regardless, this one doesn't truly count if we are going off them at time of Battle of Reach eh?

And that's just John.


Note bolded replies.

-That's technically blowing up I-04, with a creative twist.

-He survived all the onslaughts of oncoming Flood where millions of human and Covenant alike could not. Also, see below.

-Chief killed Regret, who was in command of the entire fleet that came to Earth to kill everything in the sector if needed.

-Not true, the Orbital Mission was considered to be much more difficult and of higher importance. Kelly and Fred both tried to volunteer so they could get John's respect for picking the higher risk.

-Don't forget he pretty much did it alone.

-And how else would Cortana have done that, if Chief wasn't there to get her there?

-See above.

-If I recall correctly, that was Nolan Byrne. Sergeant Johnson's old parter back then they were experimental Spartan I's. He was a tough mother-blam!-, just like Johnson. Just bigger, much stronger, even a bit quicker. Give him augmentations and a MJOLNIR suit and he probably would've been at the top of the Spartan class.

-Nonetheless, he still did.

-Don't forget they tried to -blam!- GLASS him right afterwards. He dove into the ocean that HELD the GRAVEMIND and made it out safe. He also found the location of the Sacred Icon.

-Are you kidding??? You try jumping from several kilometers up high, using only a sheet of metal to block the heat and live, then only get KO'd and say "it was nothing." That's quite an achievement.

-That AI killed Sergeant Johnson and nearly wiped out all sentient life in the Galaxy. That guy was dangerous. He pretty much went toe-to-toe with him, considering the BLASTED HIS FACE WITH A SPARTAN LASER AFTER BEING HIT BY 343's MELTING FACE LASER AND SHRUGGING IT OFF. And I don't recall reading anywhere that this battle is meeting at the time of the Fall of Reach. Kind of like how they bring people back from different timelines in Deadliest Warrior (horrible show BTW). This is a scenario, where they both meet at a place away from where they fought.

[Edited on 09.03.2011 9:42 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Halsey wasn't the only one to mention he took out rebel groups and such, Kurt mentioned it as well.

Posted by: LonE ZealoT

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived.

Well, I'll quote the Marine medic now, "Two Kilometres, easy."
Two kM up (planes fly higher than this).
Noble did much the same FROM FRIGGIN' SPACE


He had a magical re entry pack, -blam!- don't count.


Chief also used a piece of said ship as a heat-shield.


A logical last ditch effort to increase survival chance. Said sheet of metal was super heated and John still risked the chance of dying.

The magical re entry pack, however...

  • 09.03.2011 9:45 PM PDT


Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Halsey wasn't the only one to mention he took out rebel groups and such, Kurt mentioned it as well.

Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE

Posted by: LonE ZealoT
-Has jumped from a Forerunner ship re-entering atmosphere, and lived.

Well, I'll quote the Marine medic now, "Two Kilometres, easy."
Two kM up (planes fly higher than this).
Noble did much the same FROM FRIGGIN' SPACE


He had a magical re entry pack, -blam!- don't count.


Chief also used a piece of said ship as a heat-shield.


A logical last ditch effort to increase survival chance. Said sheet of metal was super heated and John still risked the chance of dying.

The magical re entry pack, however...


Said sheet of metal was of forerunner materials, thus it was probably very protective.

  • 09.03.2011 9:46 PM PDT


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Oh and by the way, Linda would kick Jun's ass in sniping.


Dr. Halsey says otherwise.

  • 09.03.2011 9:47 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Said sheet of metal was of forerunner materials, thus it was probably very protective.


Forerunner material strength is highly conflicting. Sentinels are made of said metal but easily fall, so how strong could it have really been?

  • 09.03.2011 9:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Said sheet of metal was of forerunner materials, thus it was probably very protective.


Forerunner material strength is highly conflicting. Sentinels are made of said metal but easily fall, so how strong could it have really been?


Assuming Forerunners make everything out of the same exact material. We don't even do that.

  • 09.03.2011 9:53 PM PDT


Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Said sheet of metal was of forerunner materials, thus it was probably very protective.


Forerunner material strength is highly conflicting. Sentinels are made of said metal but easily fall, so how strong could it have really been?


One is of a robot used as a guard... the other is the hull plating of a Forerunner dreadnaught(aka keyship). I'd wager the chunk Chief rode on is more protective, or simply thicker.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.

The Chief on the other hand....Like a Boss shrugs off re entry, tells Sgt. Badass they aren't leaving him there because he's not a 2 ton corpse but instead a 7 foot walking covenant massacre in Hulk green with stare-into-your-doomed-soul golden face plating.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
One is of a robot used as a guard... the other is the hull plating of a Forerunner dreadnaught(aka keyship). I'd wager the chunk Chief rode on is more protective, or simply thicker.

Was the sheet of nonmagical and completely logically sound metal present when they found Walking massacre aka the chief? I can't remember.

  • 09.03.2011 9:57 PM PDT


Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.


Hey, Bungie pretty much half-assed everything in Reach.

  • 09.03.2011 9:58 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.

The Chief on the other hand....Like a Boss shurgs off re entry, tells Sgt. Badass they aren't leaving him there because he's not a 2 ton corpse but instead a 7 foot walking covenant massacre in Hulk green with stare-into-your-doomed-soul golden face plating.


I guess I just imaged that limp Six had after she landed. And you're honestly bringing the condition of the armor into this? When has any Halo game had armor that got progressively worse as the campaign went on?

  • 09.03.2011 9:58 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.

The Chief on the other hand....Like a Boss shurgs off re entry, tells Sgt. Badass they aren't leaving him there because he's not a 2 ton corpse but instead a 7 foot walking covenant massacre in Hulk green with stare-into-your-doomed-soul golden face plating.


I guess I just imaged that limp Six had after she landed. And you're honestly bringing the condition of the armor into this? When has any Halo game had armor that got progressively worse as the campaign went on?


Hopefully that's something we see in Halo 4, assuming Chief's armor changes through the trilogy.

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.


Hey, Bungie pretty much half-assed everything in Reach.


Then it is fair to say Six is only half a boss, while the Chief, a boss times two, can easily beat him and all of NOBLE (Except Jorge, because we all know someone as boss as him wouldn't fight SII bosses for SIII pansies).

You sir, have proven my half-assed-satirical-bored-as--blam!--argument-that-was-not-e ven-an-actual-argument-but-instead-me-killing-time.

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.

The Chief on the other hand....Like a Boss shurgs off re entry, tells Sgt. Badass they aren't leaving him there because he's not a 2 ton corpse but instead a 7 foot walking covenant massacre in Hulk green with stare-into-your-doomed-soul golden face plating.


I guess I just imaged that limp Six had after she landed. And you're honestly bringing the condition of the armor into this? When has any Halo game had armor that got progressively worse as the campaign went on?


Well of course the Chief's armor never gets worse. You can't go around pwning noobs and saving the galaxy like a boss and get scratches on your suit of badassery.

  • 09.03.2011 10:01 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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All I've seen from you is "Chief is so strong and a boss" while listing events he did while completely ignoring the contributions of those who helped him. You can't even give him defeating Gravemind since Gravemind isn't dead.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
All I've seen from you is "Chief is so strong and a boss" while listing events he did while completely ignoring the contributions of those who helped him. You can't even give him defeating Gravemind since Gravemind isn't dead.


Obliterating a sentient being's free form while leaving its sorry mind locked in the pathetic forms of imprisoned flood forms on other rings seems like a victory to me.

  • 09.03.2011 10:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
All I've seen from you is "Chief is so strong and a boss" while listing events he did while completely ignoring the contributions of those who helped him. You can't even give him defeating Gravemind since Gravemind isn't dead.


Obliterating a sentient being's free form while leaving its sorry mind locked in the pathetic forms of imprisoned flood forms on other rings seems like a victory to me.

And you assume the Gravemind can't just rebuild itself. The Gravemind is simply the mouthpiece of the Timeless One, a Precursor who defeated the Forerunners by proxy of themselves. He wasn't even phased by Chief destroying Halo, he pretty much says "This is only delaying the inevitable."

  • 09.03.2011 10:08 PM PDT


Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.

The Chief on the other hand....Like a Boss shrugs off re entry, tells Sgt. Badass they aren't leaving him there because he's not a 2 ton corpse but instead a 7 foot walking covenant massacre in Hulk green with stare-into-your-doomed-soul golden face plating.



30 minutes later? You mean nine days later.

Meanwhile Chief was completely helpless until they unlocked his armor. Man, if a brute wandered by Chief would have been easy kill. Hmmm, and seeing as Chief landed middle of the night, and it wasn't into what looked like late morning they got to him...

That's a good number of hours helpless and KOed. Six however, was walking and moving shortly after impact.

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
All I've seen from you is "Chief is so strong and a boss" while listing events he did while completely ignoring the contributions of those who helped him. You can't even give him defeating Gravemind since Gravemind isn't dead.


Obliterating a sentient being's free form while leaving its sorry mind locked in the pathetic forms of imprisoned flood forms on other rings seems like a victory to me.

And you assume the Gravemind can't just rebuild itself. The Gravemind is simply the mouthpiece of the Timeless One, a Precursor who defeated the Forerunners by proxy of themselves. He wasn't even phased by Chief destroying Halo, he pretty much says "This is only delaying the inevitable."


Sorry if I don't keep up on the complete annihilation of the mystery of the forerunners by introducing a hyper intelligent alien centipede as a super villain. (Well that most definitely was not sarcasm)

Also, I know the Gravemind can reform itself, but how can it do that without sufficient biomass to form and cultivate a brain form?

HMMM?

[Edited on 09.03.2011 10:16 PM PDT]

  • 09.03.2011 10:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
All I've seen from you is "Chief is so strong and a boss" while listing events he did while completely ignoring the contributions of those who helped him. You can't even give him defeating Gravemind since Gravemind isn't dead.


Obliterating a sentient being's free form while leaving its sorry mind locked in the pathetic forms of imprisoned flood forms on other rings seems like a victory to me.

And you assume the Gravemind can't just rebuild itself. The Gravemind is simply the mouthpiece of the Timeless One, a Precursor who defeated the Forerunners by proxy of themselves. He wasn't even phased by Chief destroying Halo, he pretty much says "This is only delaying the inevitable."


Sorry if I don't keep up on the complete annihilation of the mystery of the forerunners by introducing a hyper intelligent alien centipede as a super villain. (Well that most definitely was not sarcasm)

Also, I know the Gravemind can reform itself, but how can it do that without sufficient biomass to form and cultivate a brain form?

HMMM?


It spoke pretty clearly to you after you blew up High Charity and it wasn't even fully formed yet.

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Oh yes, because the re-entry pack was completely safe. Looked like Six got banged up pretty bad and still walked it off like a boss.


So banged up his armor was in pristine shape and he was running and jumping off 6 foot ledges with ease 30 minutes later. Didn't even leave a crater.

The Chief on the other hand....Like a Boss shrugs off re entry, tells Sgt. Badass they aren't leaving him there because he's not a 2 ton corpse but instead a 7 foot walking covenant massacre in Hulk green with stare-into-your-doomed-soul golden face plating.



30 minutes later? You mean nine days later.

Meanwhile Chief was completely helpless until they unlocked his armor. Man, if a brute wandered by Chief would have been easy kill. Hmmm, and seeing as Chief landed middle of the night, and it wasn't into what looked like late morning they got to him...

That's a good number of hours helpless and KOed. Six however, was walking and moving shortly after impact.

You seem to forget Spartans have understanding and control of the MJOLNIR suit. I'm sure Halsey had the brains to install a timer on the emergency armor lock so that it would allow Chief to unlock it himself, instead of sit in a ditch blinding the sun with his emerald epicness.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
It spoke pretty clearly to you after you blew up High Charity and it wasn't even fully formed yet.


Yeah, but with pure forms in the vicinity and the limits behind gravemind-pureform interaction and cohesion unclear, who knows what exactly that connection entailed.

  • 09.03.2011 10:20 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: LonE ZealoT
You seem to forget Spartans have understanding and control of the MJOLNIR suit. I'm sure Halsey had the brains to install a timer on the emergency armor lock so that it would allow Chief to unlock it himself, instead of sit in a ditch blinding the sun with his emerald epicness.


He lands during the night and is recovered durign the day...seems like a pretty long time.

  • 09.03.2011 10:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: LonE ZealoT
You seem to forget Spartans have understanding and control of the MJOLNIR suit. I'm sure Halsey had the brains to install a timer on the emergency armor lock so that it would allow Chief to unlock it himself, instead of sit in a ditch blinding the sun with his emerald epicness.


He lands during the night and is recovered durign the day...seems like a pretty long time.


At the very least a few hours, at most it could be 12 depending on when during the night he crashed and when they reached him.

Still a long time to be completely helpless.

  • 09.03.2011 10:24 PM PDT