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That and the Elephantiasis Jorge had. Jun is roughly the same height as Chief. And honestly, they're in their twenties as opposed to their 12-year old counterparts who died early on. So I imagine Noble would be the exception and grow more.

  • 09.04.2011 10:37 PM PDT

I'd also say noble team may have been made to resemble blue team in a way for the story's sake, kind of like homage to how much demand there was by the masses to be able to play as/with blue team. But this is all my own speculation :P

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  • 09.04.2011 10:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That and the Elephantiasis Jorge had. Jun is roughly the same height as Chief. And honestly, they're in their twenties as opposed to their 12-year old counterparts who died early on. So I imagine Noble would be the exception and grow more.


Ok disregard my last post, I found some hard evidence.
Halo GoO page173:
"The unknown person stood nearly two and a half meters tall in his armor. 'I recognize my work,' she declared. 'You are a spartan-II.' Very few soldiers in the UNSC were so tall or moved with such liquid grace."

How bout that?

EDIT:
I know that puts him near 8ft 2in tall but that's what the book says lol. So "nearly" I wanna say he's like 7ft 10in, a large spartan-II for sure but it backs my point that spartan-II's are much closer to jorges height than the height of a member of noble team.

[Edited on 09.04.2011 10:58 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 10:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That and the Elephantiasis Jorge had. Jun is roughly the same height as Chief. And honestly, they're in their twenties as opposed to their 12-year old counterparts who died early on. So I imagine Noble would be the exception and grow more.


Ok disregard my last post, I found some hard evidence.
Halo GoO page173:
"The unknown person stood nearly two and a half meters tall in his armor. 'I recognize my work,' she declared. 'You are a spartan-II.' Very few soldiers in the UNSC were so tall or moved with such liquid grace."

How bout that?

EDIT:
I know that puts him near 8ft 2in tall but that's what the book says lol. So "nearly" I wanna say he's like 7ft 10in, a large spartan-II for sure but it backs my point that spartan-II's are much closer to jorges height than the height of a member of noble team.


Then John is either a midget or Kurt is a giant, seeing how in The Fall of Reach it is said that John is standing just over two meters tall and Sam, considered the tallest, was just a head taller than him.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That and the Elephantiasis Jorge had. Jun is roughly the same height as Chief. And honestly, they're in their twenties as opposed to their 12-year old counterparts who died early on. So I imagine Noble would be the exception and grow more.


Ok disregard my last post, I found some hard evidence.
Halo GoO page173:
"The unknown person stood nearly two and a half meters tall in his armor. 'I recognize my work,' she declared. 'You are a spartan-II.' Very few soldiers in the UNSC were so tall or moved with such liquid grace."

How bout that?

EDIT:
I know that puts him near 8ft 2in tall but that's what the book says lol. So "nearly" I wanna say he's like 7ft 10in, a large spartan-II for sure but it backs my point that spartan-II's are much closer to jorges height than the height of a member of noble team.


Then John is either a midget or Kurt is a giant, seeing how in The Fall of Reach it is said that John is standing just over two meters tall and Sam, considered the tallest, was just a head taller than him.


Take issue with the book man, the page number is right there so you can take a look yourself.

And I was actually looking through the halo encyclopedia earlier looking for height refrences, didn't find any, but what I did find is that the mjolnir helmet is supposed to be 12.57in tall. Page 103 if your interested in that. So taking that into account, Sam would be around 7ft 6in since 2 meters is roughly 6ft 6in.

Do you have a page number on that Fall of Reach reference?

  • 09.04.2011 11:39 PM PDT
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Said sheet of metal was of forerunner materials, thus it was probably very protective.

They tested a drop from space with mjolnir armor if im not mistaken, a retired spartan did it. Besides, escaping the heat using a plate of forerunner ship was logical and well improvised.


The chief would have been travelling at terminal velocity which would be ALOT higher because he has a massive sheet of metal with him. Many spartan 2's haven't survived drops in atmosphere like that, how is this not impressive?

  • 09.05.2011 1:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That and the Elephantiasis Jorge had. Jun is roughly the same height as Chief. And honestly, they're in their twenties as opposed to their 12-year old counterparts who died early on. So I imagine Noble would be the exception and grow more.


Ok disregard my last post, I found some hard evidence.
Halo GoO page173:
"The unknown person stood nearly two and a half meters tall in his armor. 'I recognize my work,' she declared. 'You are a spartan-II.' Very few soldiers in the UNSC were so tall or moved with such liquid grace."

How bout that?

EDIT:
I know that puts him near 8ft 2in tall but that's what the book says lol. So "nearly" I wanna say he's like 7ft 10in, a large spartan-II for sure but it backs my point that spartan-II's are much closer to jorges height than the height of a member of noble team.


Then John is either a midget or Kurt is a giant, seeing how in The Fall of Reach it is said that John is standing just over two meters tall and Sam, considered the tallest, was just a head taller than him.


Take issue with the book man, the page number is right there so you can take a look yourself.

And I was actually looking through the halo encyclopedia earlier looking for height refrences, didn't find any, but what I did find is that the mjolnir helmet is supposed to be 12.57in tall. Page 103 if your interested in that. So taking that into account, Sam would be around 7ft 6in since 2 meters is roughly 6ft 6in.

Do you have a page number on that Fall of Reach reference?


"It was hard to mistake the Master Chief for anything other than a Spartan. He stood just over two meters tall and weighed in at 130 kilos of rock-hard muscle and iron-dense bone."

The Fall of Reach, page 205 (217 for you, since my copy is a digital copy.)

As for Sam's height.

"Sam had recovered from the augmentation faster than any of the other Spartans. He paced impatiently around the crates of grenades. He was the strongest of them all. He stood taller than John by a head."

The Fall of Reach, page 76 (78 for you).

[Edited on 09.05.2011 4:08 AM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 4:03 AM PDT

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Noble team dont even exist, so blue team wins by default.

  • 09.05.2011 4:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream
Noble team dont even exist, so blue team wins by default.


Considering how we have yet to see Blue Team in a Halo game, I think Noble is "more canon" than them.

  • 09.05.2011 5:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: cameo_cream
Noble team dont even exist, so blue team wins by default.


Considering how we have yet to see Blue Team in a Halo game, I think Noble is "more canon" than them.


There is no such thing as "more canon" when both are set-in-stone canon. -_-

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: cameo_cream
Noble team dont even exist, so blue team wins by default.


Considering how we have yet to see Blue Team in a Halo game, I think Noble is "more canon" than them.


There is no such thing as "more canon" when both are set-in-stone canon. -_-


Just saying, if he wants to play the "they are not canon" card, I can play the "Games trump Books" card.

  • 09.05.2011 6:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: cameo_cream
Noble team dont even exist, so blue team wins by default.


Considering how we have yet to see Blue Team in a Halo game, I think Noble is "more canon" than them.


There is no such thing as "more canon" when both are set-in-stone canon. -_-


Just saying, if he wants to play the "they are not canon" card, I can play the "Games trump Books" card.


Games trump canon when there is a canonical inconsistency, you cannot apply that rule to the context you're talking about.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

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Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That and the Elephantiasis Jorge had. Jun is roughly the same height as Chief. And honestly, they're in their twenties as opposed to their 12-year old counterparts who died early on. So I imagine Noble would be the exception and grow more.


Ok disregard my last post, I found some hard evidence.
Halo GoO page173:
"The unknown person stood nearly two and a half meters tall in his armor. 'I recognize my work,' she declared. 'You are a spartan-II.' Very few soldiers in the UNSC were so tall or moved with such liquid grace."

How bout that?

EDIT:
I know that puts him near 8ft 2in tall but that's what the book says lol. So "nearly" I wanna say he's like 7ft 10in, a large spartan-II for sure but it backs my point that spartan-II's are much closer to jorges height than the height of a member of noble team.


Then John is either a midget or Kurt is a giant, seeing how in The Fall of Reach it is said that John is standing just over two meters tall and Sam, considered the tallest, was just a head taller than him.


Take issue with the book man, the page number is right there so you can take a look yourself.

And I was actually looking through the halo encyclopedia earlier looking for height refrences, didn't find any, but what I did find is that the mjolnir helmet is supposed to be 12.57in tall. Page 103 if your interested in that. So taking that into account, Sam would be around 7ft 6in since 2 meters is roughly 6ft 6in.

Do you have a page number on that Fall of Reach reference?


"It was hard to mistake the Master Chief for anything other than a Spartan. He stood just over two meters tall and weighed in at 130 kilos of rock-hard muscle and iron-dense bone."

The Fall of Reach, page 205 (217 for you, since my copy is a digital copy.)

As for Sam's height.

"Sam had recovered from the augmentation faster than any of the other Spartans. He paced impatiently around the crates of grenades. He was the strongest of them all. He stood taller than John by a head."

The Fall of Reach, page 76 (78 for you).


Thanks, checking your reference I see that the chief is just over two meters out of armor, I'll interpret "just over" as 2in at the least and say the chief is 6ft 8in out of armor and just about at 7ft in armor. So that would make the chief around as tall as noble team out of armor as they are in armor.

  • 09.05.2011 10:27 AM PDT

blue team even do cheif saw linda die

  • 09.05.2011 10:30 AM PDT

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John is apparently 218 centimeters tall while wearing his armor, that's just 10 centimeters taller than the members of Noble Team and 5 centimeters below Jorge's stature, both Carter and Emile are 208 centimeters tall while wearing their armor, Jun is 210 and Kat is 205, not really that much different if you think about it.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
John is apparently 218 centimeters tall while wearing his armor, that's just 10 centimeters taller than the members of Noble Team and 5 centimeters below Jorge's stature, both Carter and Emile are 208 centimeters tall while wearing their armor, Jun is 210 and Kat is 205, not really that much different if you think about it.


That sounds about right and no its not much of a difference but there is a difference because the spartan-II's are the genetic cream of the crop and were given a thyroid augmentation. My whole point is that they are larger physically and closer to the size of Jorge than the rest of noble team.

  • 09.05.2011 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
John is apparently 218 centimeters tall while wearing his armor, that's just 10 centimeters taller than the members of Noble Team and 5 centimeters below Jorge's stature, both Carter and Emile are 208 centimeters tall while wearing their armor, Jun is 210 and Kat is 205, not really that much different if you think about it.


That sounds about right and no its not much of a difference but there is a difference because the spartan-II's are the genetic cream of the crop and were given a thyroid augmentation. My whole point is that they are larger physically and closer to the size of Jorge than the rest of noble team.


Well, considering how the Spartan III's didn't have a Thyroid augmentation and were able to reach an almost Spartan II size, I don't really see the need for one.

  • 09.05.2011 11:49 AM PDT

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Coma, every time I see you write, "OH THE III'S GOT THE SAME EXACT AUGMENTS AS THE II's" it just makes me want to explode with rage. I can't count the number of times we've had this argument yet you always end up saying the same things whenever this thread comes around.

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Chief is about 7'4", can't recall the height difference I made but it was from reading The Flood and First Strike. I'd check them but searching through both for height references will take me hours.

Plus, it's backed by all the data contained in CASTLE BASE in the books and Halsey's journal. S-III's were far less capable specimens to start with, didn't receive lifetime training like the S-II's did, AND had far less substantial augmentations, so it's safe to say the S-II's were far more capable, much stronger, much more resilient and much taller than S-III's.

EDIT: While not as exact as the references in the books, one can also assume the average height from the descriptions of elites and their spartan counterparts, as well as in-game models' height, specially, S-III's vs Elites vs. S-II's (across games, of course) and the particular example of Keyes, who, when compared in height difference from him to Noble Six and him to MC, MC is way taller, also worth mentioning that Six was among the tallest of Noble (obviously not taller than Jorge, though).

[Edited on 09.05.2011 12:46 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 12:41 PM PDT

Spartan IIs are stronger Blue would win hands down

  • 09.05.2011 12:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
Chief is about 7'4", can't recall the height difference I made but it was from reading The Flood and First Strike. I'd check them but searching through both for height references will take me hours.

Plus, it's backed by all the data contained in CASTLE BASE in the books and Halsey's journal. S-III's were far less capable specimens to start with, didn't receive lifetime training like the S-II's did, AND had far less substantial augmentations, so it's safe to say the S-II's were far more capable, much stronger, much more resilient and much taller than S-III's.


Spartans III's were trained from the age of 4-6, hell, Alpha company recruits were forced to para-drop from a Pelican on their first night at Onyx.

  • 09.05.2011 12:45 PM PDT


Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
Chief is about 7'4", can't recall the height difference I made but it was from reading The Flood and First Strike. I'd check them but searching through both for height references will take me hours.

Plus, it's backed by all the data contained in CASTLE BASE in the books and Halsey's journal. S-III's were far less capable specimens to start with, didn't receive lifetime training like the S-II's did, AND had far less substantial augmentations, so it's safe to say the S-II's were far more capable, much stronger, much more resilient and much taller than S-III's.


Less capable? Uh huh...

Lifetime training what? Even if they didn't get as long a training period, it's labeled better. I'd say a lot of extra academics got cut in favor of military theme training. Mendez and Kurt would get the best training in the period of time possible.

Far less substantial augmentations? I'd say we've proven the augmentations are pretty similar results wise.

So, it's safe to say S2's and S3's in the same equipment and with same amount of experiance is pretty close to being equally capable, resilient. Stronger depends ENTIRELY on individual, as does height.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
Chief is about 7'4", can't recall the height difference I made but it was from reading The Flood and First Strike. I'd check them but searching through both for height references will take me hours.

Plus, it's backed by all the data contained in CASTLE BASE in the books and Halsey's journal. S-III's were far less capable specimens to start with, didn't receive lifetime training like the S-II's did, AND had far less substantial augmentations, so it's safe to say the S-II's were far more capable, much stronger, much more resilient and much taller than S-III's.


Spartans III's were trained from the age of 4-6, hell, Alpha company recruits were forced to para-drop from a Pelican on their first night at Onyx.

Yet they were expendable and had much, much less restrictions in physical requirements than the S-II candidate program. S-II's were hand picked, while S-III's were chosen for meeting general standards. Why else did the SIII program have companies of almost 300 while total spartan II's numbered less than a single SIII company?

  • 09.05.2011 12:50 PM PDT