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Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
Chief is about 7'4", can't recall the height difference I made but it was from reading The Flood and First Strike. I'd check them but searching through both for height references will take me hours.
Plus, it's backed by all the data contained in CASTLE BASE in the books and Halsey's journal. S-III's were far less capable specimens to start with, didn't receive lifetime training like the S-II's did, AND had far less substantial augmentations, so it's safe to say the S-II's were far more capable, much stronger, much more resilient and much taller than S-III's.
Less capable? Uh huh...
Lifetime training what? Even if they didn't get as long a training period, it's labeled better. I'd say a lot of extra academics got cut in favor of military theme training. Mendez and Kurt would get the best training in the period of time possible.
Far less substantial augmentations? I'd say we've proven the augmentations are pretty similar results wise.
So, it's safe to say S2's and S3's in the same equipment and with same amount of experiance is pretty close to being equally capable, resilient. Stronger depends ENTIRELY on individual, as does height.
All candidates from SII had way superior genetics than other humans, and vastly superior intelligence than regular humans, hence the individual trips for evaluation of candidates. Results were messy in SIII's, taking tactical victories that annihilated each S-III companies. Research was much less, funds were much less, and equipment was standard. Remember that Noble was the only team that had MJOLNIR armor from the 600+ spartans said program created.
As for training, the lack of it is exactly what resulted in the catastrophic missions undertaken by SIII's, and less academics meant a much worse tactical intelligence than S-II's. I don't really know how Kurt would have gotten out of the situation MC handled easily when his armor was tested. Any S-III would have promptly failed the test, dying in the process.
Let's round this up then, from each of your arguments.
TRAINING? SII is far superior, clear evidence is almost 100% casualty rate of SIII's. Lifetime training and academics give SII's the upper hand in combat, and all SII's that perished were lost because of the overwhelmingly large forces that went up against tiny squads of SII's (thousands of covies, plus materiel and military assets).
AUGMENTATIONS? Cheaper, less substantial(many of SIII program's augmentations targeted the most basic molecular levels), more effective, yes, but less rigorous as a result, and much less selective candidates.
EQUIPMENT? Can't even say anything about this. If you think SPI armor is better than MJOLNIR, you need to go to a mental institution.
Overwhelming forces? I think you're confusing the Spartan II's with the III's. Spartan II's (most of them for that matter) have been shown to get killed by a little amount of enemies, or no enemies at all). I can name a few.
-Sam
-Solomon
-Arthur
-Daisy
-Grace
-Cal
-Sheila
-4 Spartans that derped and died when their pelican was shot down.
Now, Spartan III's in the other hand, died facing impossible odds, completing the mission in the process.
Alpha Company kept fighting for 7 days in Operation PROMETEUS and they only died because a huge wave of enemies arrived. Beta had to face a good amount of troopers and then even more when some cruisers came out of cloaking, releasing thousands of enemies and aircraft.