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Blue team because they have more experience in combat than Noble team.

  • 09.05.2011 7:38 PM PDT


Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Where does it say NOBLE Team was taken out because they were just like S-IIs? Proof that the augments are exactly the same?

Blue Team is superior physically to NOBLE Team. They also have superior armor(Mark VI). They also have a substantially larger amount of experience to NOBLE Team. And nowhere have I seen feats from the members of NOBLE Team compare to the feats of Blue Team.


Read 'em weep, pal! Very end of that little letter. Why include that statement in marketing material for Reach if it was not meant to be implied that Noble are some of the very Spartans that Kurt is referring to that Halsey would have picked?

The augmentations achieved exactly the same things. Have you actually read the list of augmentations that the SIIIs were given in GoO?

Blue is not physically superior to Noble, comparing is the members of Blue Team to Noble Team is like comparing two or more SIIs, they may stand out more in certain areas, but fundamentally they are all the same physically.
And so what if Blue has Mark VI? That does not in any way reflect on who is better or not. For the sake of this scenario was are saying they have the exact same armor, so either Noble has Mark VI or Blue still has Mark V, doesn't matter.

Well no duh, Noble Team's characters haven't been around for nearly as long as Blue Team has, of course we will have more documented of what Blue Team has done. Just because we haven't what Noble can do doesn't mean that they suck!


Kurt selected a small few who excelled by themselves or in small teams. It wouldn't make sense to send these specialists on suicide missions where they'd be cannon fodder. Any other implications are purely speculation.

The augmentations are not exactly the same, with the exception of the carbide ceramic ossification(unbreakable bones) and muscular protein(muscle density), they're all under different labels. A few result in the same thing (better reaction times and vision) but some augments are unique to one or the other. S-II's have the thyroid implant which grants them the enhanced height and muscles (making them physically superior) among other things it reduces sex drive as well. S-III's for gamma company got an augment that made them more aggressive and fight harder the more dangerous a fight became.

So you are incorrect, if they were the same physically then noble team would look similar to jorge physically. The augments are different, noble team was together not because of their physical nature but because they were skilled operators. Kurt took notice and seperated the few that stood above the rest because he thought they would better serve outside of the typical S-III suicide mission.


He clearly states in the letter that they wind up with kids that Halsey would have picked and not just orphans who survive glassings and Covenant attacks. And then goes on to state that these kids (IE the ones who exactly fit the Spartan II qualifications) are then taken out of the main group and armed and outfitted as the Spartan IIs would be. That is how we know that Noble Team would have been Spartan IIs if they had been born earlier or if the Spartan II program had carried on.

So what? The Spartan IIIs have the exact same end result from the augmentation process as the Spartan IIs. It makes no difference what the chemical or whatever is used is called. My point still stands that there is no real fundamental differences between IIs and IIIs.

Noble's performance may play a part in why they were taken out of the main companies. But the main reason is, as I said, because they are Spartan IIIs in name only, they are exactly the same genetically as the candidates for the Spartan II project. We have not been given an average height for the Spartan IIs, we know the tallest amongst them are at least seven feet tall. But most of them we have no idea of their heights. You can't claim that Noble are not of Spartan II genetic caliber because they're a couple inches shy of 7 feet tall. Your claims about them being inferior because they're smaller is completely baseless.

  • 09.05.2011 8:33 PM PDT

From what I understand it would be something like this:

John = Noble Six
Kelly > Kat
Linda = Jun
Fred > Carter
Sam < Jorge
Will < Emile

Looks to me like they're about equal.

  • 09.05.2011 8:39 PM PDT
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Cowboy up


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Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Where does it say NOBLE Team was taken out because they were just like S-IIs? Proof that the augments are exactly the same?

Blue Team is superior physically to NOBLE Team. They also have superior armor(Mark VI). They also have a substantially larger amount of experience to NOBLE Team. And nowhere have I seen feats from the members of NOBLE Team compare to the feats of Blue Team.


Read 'em weep, pal! Very end of that little letter. Why include that statement in marketing material for Reach if it was not meant to be implied that Noble are some of the very Spartans that Kurt is referring to that Halsey would have picked?

The augmentations achieved exactly the same things. Have you actually read the list of augmentations that the SIIIs were given in GoO?

Blue is not physically superior to Noble, comparing is the members of Blue Team to Noble Team is like comparing two or more SIIs, they may stand out more in certain areas, but fundamentally they are all the same physically.
And so what if Blue has Mark VI? That does not in any way reflect on who is better or not. For the sake of this scenario was are saying they have the exact same armor, so either Noble has Mark VI or Blue still has Mark V, doesn't matter.

Well no duh, Noble Team's characters haven't been around for nearly as long as Blue Team has, of course we will have more documented of what Blue Team has done. Just because we haven't what Noble can do doesn't mean that they suck!


Kurt selected a small few who excelled by themselves or in small teams. It wouldn't make sense to send these specialists on suicide missions where they'd be cannon fodder. Any other implications are purely speculation.

The augmentations are not exactly the same, with the exception of the carbide ceramic ossification(unbreakable bones) and muscular protein(muscle density), they're all under different labels. A few result in the same thing (better reaction times and vision) but some augments are unique to one or the other. S-II's have the thyroid implant which grants them the enhanced height and muscles (making them physically superior) among other things it reduces sex drive as well. S-III's for gamma company got an augment that made them more aggressive and fight harder the more dangerous a fight became.

So you are incorrect, if they were the same physically then noble team would look similar to jorge physically. The augments are different, noble team was together not because of their physical nature but because they were skilled operators. Kurt took notice and seperated the few that stood above the rest because he thought they would better serve outside of the typical S-III suicide mission.


He clearly states in the letter that they wind up with kids that Halsey would have picked and not just orphans who survive glassings and Covenant attacks. And then goes on to state that these kids (IE the ones who exactly fit the Spartan II qualifications) are then taken out of the main group and armed and outfitted as the Spartan IIs would be. That is how we know that Noble Team would have been Spartan IIs if they had been born earlier or if the Spartan II program had carried on.

So what? The Spartan IIIs have the exact same end result from the augmentation process as the Spartan IIs. It makes no difference what the chemical or whatever is used is called. My point still stands that there is no real fundamental differences between IIs and IIIs.

Noble's performance may play a part in why they were taken out of the main companies. But the main reason is, as I said, because they are Spartan IIIs in name only, they are exactly the same genetically as the candidates for the Spartan II project. We have not been given an average height for the Spartan IIs, we know the tallest amongst them are at least seven feet tall. But most of them we have no idea of their heights. You can't claim that Noble are not of Spartan II genetic caliber because they're a couple inches shy of 7 feet tall. Your claims about them being inferior because they're smaller is completely baseless.


Noble team may have possessed the genes to be S-II's and had they recieved the very same extensive albeit dangerous augmentations than they would be S-II's. The fact of the matter is they didn't and I'm not saying that makes them inferior it just doesn't make them S-II's. The added muscle mass that the S-II's have makes them physically superior because in a close fight between two equally skilled combatants the difference could be the S-II's edge in strength, speed, and reaction time which would be noticeable since mjolnir increases that edge exponentially.

And no, it didn't have the exact same result, how could you expect them to have the same result? This was an experimental procedure done only once before with different augmentations. Safer yes but not as extensive, one of those different chemicals had a byproduct of increased intelligence, memory, and creativity. There are differences, whether you choose to acknowledge them is on you but it doesn't change the fact that there are differences.

The S-II's have an edge both from experience and the difference in augmentations cause while the S-III's had a 100% survival rate from their advanced procedures, their augmentations weren't as extensive due to cost issues.

  • 09.06.2011 1:42 PM PDT

Blue Team, no contest.

Spartan II > Spartan III

  • 09.06.2011 1:52 PM PDT

Kick start a craze


Posted by: Juan Teran
Blue Team, no contest.

Spartan II > Spartan III


This. Blue team would stomp noble.

  • 09.06.2011 1:53 PM PDT

If Noble had my Six on it then we would ruin Blue Team. Otherwise Blue is probably a little better.

  • 09.06.2011 2:07 PM PDT

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Kelly would beat Kat to death with her robot arm.
Linda would no-scope Jun.
Fred would use Emile as a punching bag.
John would pimp slap 6.
Sam (if was still alive) would crush Carter.

And Jorge will be happy as he is reunited with his Spartan 2s.

  • 09.06.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Blue Team, more experience, stronger, faster. BETTER. Although Six wouldn't be as much as a pushover as the others, same with Jorge.

  • 09.06.2011 3:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tury07

Ghosts of Onyx page 67-68:
..."Kurt discovered they didn't match the perfect psychological and genetic markers set in Dr. Halsey's original selection protocols."... "These recruits wouldn't be anything like himself, John, Kelly, or any of the original Spartan-II candidates."

I've said this before, S-III's are genetically inferior and were given less extensive augmentations that resulted in superior physical results for the S-II's.

S-II's were given a thyroid augment that resulted in larger skeletal and muscle growth, hence their larger size both in height and in muscle mass. A byproduct of another augmentation that reduced reaction times (which is different then the one the S-III's recieved) was increased intelligence, creativity, and memory.

This isn't mentioning how mjolnir amplifies these augmentations. The slight advantages S-II's have is increased exponentially, so while both teams may wear mjolnir there would be a noticeable difference in the abilities from S-II to S-III.

S-II's are rare wonders, spared no expense in augmentations that took full advantage of their genetic makeup.

There is a difference, Fred for instance has participated and survived over 120 campaigns against innies and covies alike. S-III's were set up for failure (from a mission standpoint, not training since their training was slightly improved upon) and while some like to compare noble 6's accolades of bringing down whole "militia groups" to chiefs feats, I would say Fred has achieved more than six.




Well. apparently Six was good enough to be given the status of Hyperlethal vector, which most of the Spartan IIs couldn't have achieved in the 15 more years of experience they had.


Spartan IIIs were not given thyroid injections to make them AS muscular as the Spartan IIs. The Spartan IIIs still got the injection that gave them better reaction times/intellligence

  • 09.06.2011 3:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Juan Teran
Blue Team, no contest.

Spartan II > Spartan III


This. Blue team would stomp noble.

It would be a hard fought fight with heavy losses on both sides.

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Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Tury07

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Where does it say NOBLE Team was taken out because they were just like S-IIs? Proof that the augments are exactly the same?

Blue Team is superior physically to NOBLE Team. They also have superior armor(Mark VI). They also have a substantially larger amount of experience to NOBLE Team. And nowhere have I seen feats from the members of NOBLE Team compare to the feats of Blue Team.


Read 'em weep, pal! Very end of that little letter. Why include that statement in marketing material for Reach if it was not meant to be implied that Noble are some of the very Spartans that Kurt is referring to that Halsey would have picked?

The augmentations achieved exactly the same things. Have you actually read the list of augmentations that the SIIIs were given in GoO?

Blue is not physically superior to Noble, comparing is the members of Blue Team to Noble Team is like comparing two or more SIIs, they may stand out more in certain areas, but fundamentally they are all the same physically.
And so what if Blue has Mark VI? That does not in any way reflect on who is better or not. For the sake of this scenario was are saying they have the exact same armor, so either Noble has Mark VI or Blue still has Mark V, doesn't matter.

Well no duh, Noble Team's characters haven't been around for nearly as long as Blue Team has, of course we will have more documented of what Blue Team has done. Just because we haven't what Noble can do doesn't mean that they suck!


Kurt selected a small few who excelled by themselves or in small teams. It wouldn't make sense to send these specialists on suicide missions where they'd be cannon fodder. Any other implications are purely speculation.

The augmentations are not exactly the same, with the exception of the carbide ceramic ossification(unbreakable bones) and muscular protein(muscle density), they're all under different labels. A few result in the same thing (better reaction times and vision) but some augments are unique to one or the other. S-II's have the thyroid implant which grants them the enhanced height and muscles (making them physically superior) among other things it reduces sex drive as well. S-III's for gamma company got an augment that made them more aggressive and fight harder the more dangerous a fight became.

So you are incorrect, if they were the same physically then noble team would look similar to jorge physically. The augments are different, noble team was together not because of their physical nature but because they were skilled operators. Kurt took notice and seperated the few that stood above the rest because he thought they would better serve outside of the typical S-III suicide mission.


He clearly states in the letter that they wind up with kids that Halsey would have picked and not just orphans who survive glassings and Covenant attacks. And then goes on to state that these kids (IE the ones who exactly fit the Spartan II qualifications) are then taken out of the main group and armed and outfitted as the Spartan IIs would be. That is how we know that Noble Team would have been Spartan IIs if they had been born earlier or if the Spartan II program had carried on.

So what? The Spartan IIIs have the exact same end result from the augmentation process as the Spartan IIs. It makes no difference what the chemical or whatever is used is called. My point still stands that there is no real fundamental differences between IIs and IIIs.

Noble's performance may play a part in why they were taken out of the main companies. But the main reason is, as I said, because they are Spartan IIIs in name only, they are exactly the same genetically as the candidates for the Spartan II project. We have not been given an average height for the Spartan IIs, we know the tallest amongst them are at least seven feet tall. But most of them we have no idea of their heights. You can't claim that Noble are not of Spartan II genetic caliber because they're a couple inches shy of 7 feet tall. Your claims about them being inferior because they're smaller is completely baseless.


Noble team may have possessed the genes to be S-II's and had they recieved the very same extensive albeit dangerous augmentations than they would be S-II's. The fact of the matter is they didn't and I'm not saying that makes them inferior it just doesn't make them S-II's. The added muscle mass that the S-II's have makes them physically superior because in a close fight between two equally skilled combatants the difference could be the S-II's edge in strength, speed, and reaction time which would be noticeable since mjolnir increases that edge exponentially.

And no, it didn't have the exact same result, how could you expect them to have the same result? This was an experimental procedure done only once before with different augmentations. Safer yes but not as extensive, one of those different chemicals had a byproduct of increased intelligence, memory, and creativity. There are differences, whether you choose to acknowledge them is on you but it doesn't change the fact that there are differences.

The S-II's have an edge both from experience and the difference in augmentations cause while the S-III's had a 100% survival rate from their advanced procedures, their augmentations weren't as extensive due to cost issues.



The ONLY augmentations the Spartan IIIs didn't receive was the catalytic thyreoid implant.


Everything else was 100% the same (different chemicals same effect).


No, the augmentations of the SIIIs didn't have 100 percent survival rate wasn't because they were cheaper, it was because research had made the Spartan II augmentations not dangerous( albeit very specific---Halsey stated in her journal the augmentations would only have an effect on an adolescent).

The reason that the Spartan IIIs didn't get catalyctic growth hormone (increase muscle mass+height) is because most of them wouldn't live past a year or two on suicidal missions (anywhere from 12-14 when they die). Therefore it would have probably been thought redundant to give it to them, only a few would make it to the front line with MJOLNIR so it would have been a better strategy to eradicate it. ALL other augmentations are the same (the 87556-UD61 injected into the Spartan IIIs gave them better memory+intelligence,along with a reaction time equivalent to a Spartan IIs).

  • 09.09.2011 5:50 PM PDT

Spartans tonight we die in hell.

Blue Team with out a doubt. First of all Noble has mostly Spartan 3 while Blue Team has all Spartan 2. One Spartan 2 are genetically superior and 2 blue team has better experience.

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Reach beats GoW!
Reach beats CoD!!
Reach beats everything!!!

I'm surprised this is still going on. If only there was a mandatory class in logic and reason... I'd recommend those who say Noble Team better enroll in a similar subject at your nearest CC.

  • 09.09.2011 7:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
I'm surprised this is still going on. If only there was a mandatory class in logic and reason... I'd recommend those who say Noble Team better enroll in a similar subject at your nearest CC.


I think the majority of us accept Blue Team beats Noble, but by how much is the big issue now in my opinion.

  • 09.09.2011 7:59 PM PDT


Posted by: RaMpAnT__117
I'm surprised this is still going on. If only there was a mandatory class in logic and reason... I'd recommend those who say Noble Team better enroll in a similar subject at your nearest CC.


*Sigh* What I get from this is "If you don't agree with me, you are illogical and unreasonable."

Probably not what you meant...

Really, the unreasonable/illogical ones here are those saying Blue team would win with no losses, no trouble.

  • 09.09.2011 8:43 PM PDT

And even then the only real advantage that Blue Team has over Noble Team is numbers.

  • 09.10.2011 12:54 AM PDT

Happy Ducks Swimming In A Lake.

This is probably a dead nooby question but whats blue team?

  • 09.10.2011 12:57 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Master Chief, alone, could beat Noble Team. All of Blue Team together...no competition.

For once, I agree with you.

  • 09.10.2011 2:39 AM PDT
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Original XbL Gamertag, zeDutchKreatiVz, as you guessed, Im Dutch/from Holland/Amsterdam.

...Also wTf happened to Halo.......*sighs*

anyone saying Noble team would win is a Reach Fanboy.

imHo, Blue Team, would pretty much kick everyone's ass.
And were they the ones trying to save Reach, UNDER COMMAND of ZE Master Chief, they would have Succeeded.

And lol somewehere saying "Bungie pretty much Halfassed Reach, yeah nice Excuses. Just admit Blue team is better, so we can all go home.

  • 09.10.2011 5:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: MANIAC260798
This is probably a dead nooby question but whats blue team?


Facepalm, and directs you to amazon and Crap, to buy halo Novels.

wow I live in the Netherlands, and even I have the first three copies -_-

lol anyway they are a team under the command of Master Chief. pretty much A noble team, just better, wanna know the members? read the novels.

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Halo 2 isn't dead jorge...... its just missing in action.
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Posted by: Captain Ezikiel

Posted by: Juan Teran
Blue Team, no contest.

Spartan II > Spartan III


This. Blue team would stomp noble.


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Posted by: I Nebula I

Kelly would beat Kat to death with her robot arm.
Linda would no-scope Jun.
Fred would use Emile as a punching bag.
John would pimp slap 6.
Sam (if was still alive) would crush Carter.

And Jorge will be happy as he is reunited with his Spartan 2s.


Kat is the one with the Robot arm. Not Kelly.

[Edited on 09.10.2011 5:38 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2011 5:35 AM PDT
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Linda = Jun
quote]
Is that a joke? You're comparing a lady who can take out banshee pilots while hanging upside down one handed to a guy who can't kill a single elite?

  • 09.10.2011 6:23 AM PDT


Posted by: wcd45

[quote]Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Linda = Jun
quote]
Is that a joke? You're comparing a lady who can take out banshee pilots while hanging upside down one handed to a guy who can't kill a single elite?


Gameplay =/= Canonical Source Material

  • 09.10.2011 10:35 PM PDT

Blue Team
1. John (Average, but incredibly lucky)
2. Kelly (Fastest of the Spartans)
3. Fred (Expert in CQB)
4. Linda (Excellent sniper)
5. Spartan-II that will die later on

Noble Team
1. Carter (My best guess would just be average)
2. Kat (Tech Specialist, missing an arm)
3. Jun (Excellent sniper, but probably not as good as Linda)
4. Emile (I'd imagine he's above average in CQB)
5. Jorge (Huge. 7'4 and 320 pounds, out of armor)
6. Noble Six ("Hyper Lethal". Probably one of if not the best Spartan.)



So, in my opinion, it'd be close. Noble Team outnumbers Blue Team, but Kat seems more like a liability.



[Edited on 09.11.2011 2:41 AM PDT]

  • 09.11.2011 2:36 AM PDT