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Posted by: Tury07
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: Tury07
Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: superiorarsenal
Where does it say NOBLE Team was taken out because they were just like S-IIs? Proof that the augments are exactly the same?
Blue Team is superior physically to NOBLE Team. They also have superior armor(Mark VI). They also have a substantially larger amount of experience to NOBLE Team. And nowhere have I seen feats from the members of NOBLE Team compare to the feats of Blue Team.
Read 'em weep, pal! Very end of that little letter. Why include that statement in marketing material for Reach if it was not meant to be implied that Noble are some of the very Spartans that Kurt is referring to that Halsey would have picked?
The augmentations achieved exactly the same things. Have you actually read the list of augmentations that the SIIIs were given in GoO?
Blue is not physically superior to Noble, comparing is the members of Blue Team to Noble Team is like comparing two or more SIIs, they may stand out more in certain areas, but fundamentally they are all the same physically.
And so what if Blue has Mark VI? That does not in any way reflect on who is better or not. For the sake of this scenario was are saying they have the exact same armor, so either Noble has Mark VI or Blue still has Mark V, doesn't matter.
Well no duh, Noble Team's characters haven't been around for nearly as long as Blue Team has, of course we will have more documented of what Blue Team has done. Just because we haven't what Noble can do doesn't mean that they suck!
Kurt selected a small few who excelled by themselves or in small teams. It wouldn't make sense to send these specialists on suicide missions where they'd be cannon fodder. Any other implications are purely speculation.
The augmentations are not exactly the same, with the exception of the carbide ceramic ossification(unbreakable bones) and muscular protein(muscle density), they're all under different labels. A few result in the same thing (better reaction times and vision) but some augments are unique to one or the other. S-II's have the thyroid implant which grants them the enhanced height and muscles (making them physically superior) among other things it reduces sex drive as well. S-III's for gamma company got an augment that made them more aggressive and fight harder the more dangerous a fight became.
So you are incorrect, if they were the same physically then noble team would look similar to jorge physically. The augments are different, noble team was together not because of their physical nature but because they were skilled operators. Kurt took notice and seperated the few that stood above the rest because he thought they would better serve outside of the typical S-III suicide mission.
He clearly states in the letter that they wind up with kids that Halsey would have picked and not just orphans who survive glassings and Covenant attacks. And then goes on to state that these kids (IE the ones who exactly fit the Spartan II qualifications) are then taken out of the main group and armed and outfitted as the Spartan IIs would be. That is how we know that Noble Team would have been Spartan IIs if they had been born earlier or if the Spartan II program had carried on.
So what? The Spartan IIIs have the exact same end result from the augmentation process as the Spartan IIs. It makes no difference what the chemical or whatever is used is called. My point still stands that there is no real fundamental differences between IIs and IIIs.
Noble's performance may play a part in why they were taken out of the main companies. But the main reason is, as I said, because they are Spartan IIIs in name only, they are exactly the same genetically as the candidates for the Spartan II project. We have not been given an average height for the Spartan IIs, we know the tallest amongst them are at least seven feet tall. But most of them we have no idea of their heights. You can't claim that Noble are not of Spartan II genetic caliber because they're a couple inches shy of 7 feet tall. Your claims about them being inferior because they're smaller is completely baseless.
Noble team may have possessed the genes to be S-II's and had they recieved the very same extensive albeit dangerous augmentations than they would be S-II's. The fact of the matter is they didn't and I'm not saying that makes them inferior it just doesn't make them S-II's. The added muscle mass that the S-II's have makes them physically superior because in a close fight between two equally skilled combatants the difference could be the S-II's edge in strength, speed, and reaction time which would be noticeable since mjolnir increases that edge exponentially.
And no, it didn't have the exact same result, how could you expect them to have the same result? This was an experimental procedure done only once before with different augmentations. Safer yes but not as extensive, one of those different chemicals had a byproduct of increased intelligence, memory, and creativity. There are differences, whether you choose to acknowledge them is on you but it doesn't change the fact that there are differences.
The S-II's have an edge both from experience and the difference in augmentations cause while the S-III's had a 100% survival rate from their advanced procedures, their augmentations weren't as extensive due to cost issues.
The ONLY augmentations the Spartan IIIs didn't receive was the catalytic thyreoid implant.
Everything else was 100% the same (different chemicals same effect).
No, the augmentations of the SIIIs didn't have 100 percent survival rate wasn't because they were cheaper, it was because research had made the Spartan II augmentations not dangerous( albeit very specific---Halsey stated in her journal the augmentations would only have an effect on an adolescent).
The reason that the Spartan IIIs didn't get catalyctic growth hormone (increase muscle mass+height) is because most of them wouldn't live past a year or two on suicidal missions (anywhere from 12-14 when they die). Therefore it would have probably been thought redundant to give it to them, only a few would make it to the front line with MJOLNIR so it would have been a better strategy to eradicate it. ALL other augmentations are the same (the 87556-UD61 injected into the Spartan IIIs gave them better memory+intelligence,along with a reaction time equivalent to a Spartan IIs).