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Subject: "Noble Team couldn't save a single planet..."

Noble team did save reach. Through each of their sacrifices one by one culminated in getting the package to the autumn, which humanity used to finally inherit their ancient birthright as reclaimers. Thus by extension did noble team help save reach and also the whole galaxy from the flood, and drive the covenant into a suicidal civil war. And though reach burnt to dust that day, 50 years later in the final epilogue cutscene we see humanity reclaim the planet with a some sort of colony ship that looks distinctly forerunner in origin if you look closely, something that i doubt would have been possible without noble teams actions 50 years prior.

So no, i wouldnt say noble team died in vain.

  • 09.12.2011 2:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Juan Teran
Ignoring everyone else in this thread, and focusing exclusively on your post, we all knew that Noble Team couldn't save the planet. I mean, everyone knew that Reach was going to fall, that the UNSC military planet was doomed. Hell, the first cutscene of the game shows the planet completely glassed so that you are aware that there is no possible way to change it's fate. It's a great opening scene, sadly, I can't say the same for the campaign, characters, etc.

Many fans were confused when they announced the game because the planet was doomed to fall, so everything you did in order to stop the Covenant would be useless. Bungie immediately explained that even though Reach would be glassed at the ending of the game, the player would still feel some satisfaction and a feeling of accomplishment. We thought "well, maybe they have something awesome prepared for the fans, I mean, this game is a tribute to their fans, right?". Oh God... how wrong we were.


Cobra's trying to point out that arguing "Noble Team sucks because they couldn't save Reach and John is the best because he saved the galaxy" is flawed because there pretty much was no way to live through Reach if you were on the ground and that almost all of the other Spartans died there (Spartans we know did not suck). That was the whole point of his thread.

The only reason some people felt they did a difference is because you just happened to save The Pillar of Autumn (which shouldn't even be there). But what if it happened to be just another random ship? A ship with no Master Chief inside? Would you still feel that? Obviously not, it felt so cheap and unnecessary that your character just happened to save the Spartan who would save the galaxy.

I still would have felt some significance in saving a random ship since we would have still gotten the data from the SWORD Artifact off of Reach. And I still would have felt significant if they had made it a civilian ship packed with evacuees and refugees from the destruction of Reach.

Another thing I hated about the game is the fact that you are sent on many missions that have literally no effect. Why not start the game in the last mission, when the invasion arrives, and the rest of the game is about Noble Team trying to survive in these horrible environments. No, instead we are sent to constantly activate some switches (really?), not allowing any character to be developed properly.

You did plenty of switch pressing in the first Halo Trilogy as well, or just walking into an area to end the mission which is fundamentally the same as pressing a switch, and how the hell does pushing a switch decrease the chances for character development?!? O_o I am really not seeing the logical flow of that assumption!
You're sent on a lot of missions that have no overall effect in the other Halo games as well. The whole New Mombasa mission in Halo 2 has no overall effect, neither does Chief going to High Charity for the first time, assaulting Voi in Halo 3, going to the Flood swamp in CE, or plenty of the missions in ODST. Reach's story structure is really no different than what we have in the other four games.

So yeah, we were aware that Noble Team was going to fail in saving Reach. Did anyone actually thought they would succeed? We don't hate them for failing miserably in that, we hate them because they were completely useless. The only Spartan who worked properly was Noble Six, while the rest were just walking, killing you by not knowing how to drive, etc.

You just can't feel any sorrow when they are gone. They just happened to die, like regular marines, when Bungie was trying to make a character driven story.

So sorry you actually thought that te community hated them because they couldn't save Reach.


I don't know how many times this has to be said before it finally sinks into the community's thick heads, character gameplay=/=character canon! The AI that they used for Noble Team being very ineffective does not at all mean that Noble Team are ineffective morons. Plus, if the AI behaved like the canon for how Spartans would act the game would just play itself, you wouldn't need to do anything and could just sit back and let Noble Team do all the work for you.

Speak for yourself, I felt that Noble Team were some of the very best characters to have appeared in one Halo game. They have loads of character development and depth to them, just because you fail to notice it does not mean that no one else can too.

  • 10.10.2011 12:19 PM PDT

all spartans couldn't defend a planet, which is why planets harvest and reach fell. the only spartan to save a planet was master chief, which is why they call him the greatest spartan alive. because he protected a planet by himself (though harvest and reach had hundreds of spartans.)

but also noble teams mission wasn't to protect reach, noble was suppose to deliver cortana to keyes. im pretty sure keyes knew that reach would fall so he made noble team get cortana seeing he probably knew they could get the job done.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Um what do the spartans have to do with defending the planet when reach was a space engagement? 2,000 spartans on the ground wouldn't have mattered.


You people need to get the facts straight.

  • 10.10.2011 12:46 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Well, what else would I expect? I knew Reach would fall, and I perfectly understood why. The Covenant royally destroyed the UNSC defenses and swarmed the planet like locusts.

No one was surprised, everyone knew it was going to fall. That's not what this is about is it? We're talking about how Noble Team could not save Reach.


In that case, the same priciples apply.

How can you expect 6 Spartan IIIs to save an entire planet. You must remember, Noble was sent is an investigation crew, not a strike force prepared to fight to the death.

And even if they were prepared to fight, it was against untrained, easy target rebels... not an entire army of much more advanced, battle hardened alien soldiers who were willing to fight to the death because of their religion.

Well I think most people when they use the "Couldn't save Reach," card are comparing their failure with the successes of other Spartans. Like "Master Chief saved the God damned galaxy and Noble Team couldn't keep one planet from falling."

As for the Spartans not being trained to fight Covenant, that's just a load of malarkey and not an excuse.

  • 10.10.2011 1:06 PM PDT

They were outnumbered a single elite can beat a noble if they wanted to (or a jackel(kat dies that way)
If they had the ODST's and Spartans they needed they wouldnt have lost on halo reach they should have been prototypes on the game

  • 10.10.2011 3:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Palmhc
They were outnumbered a single elite can beat a noble if they wanted to (or a jackel(kat dies that way)
If they had the ODST's and Spartans they needed they wouldnt have lost on halo reach they should have been prototypes on the game

A Zealot killed Kat.

  • 10.10.2011 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Palmhc
They were outnumbered a single elite can beat a noble if they wanted to (or a jackel(kat dies that way)
If they had the ODST's and Spartans they needed they wouldnt have lost on halo reach they should have been prototypes on the game


An elite kills Kat, not a Jackal.

Edit: Beat, damn. Though it was a field marshall no?

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

To those who say that, why don't you go get sent to oblivion, shot in the face, crash into a giant tank, get stabbed in the spine and bleed out, then get mugged by Elites and glassed?

  • 10.10.2011 4:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

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Posted by: Palmhc
They were outnumbered a single elite can beat a noble if they wanted to (or a jackel(kat dies that way)
If they had the ODST's and Spartans they needed they wouldnt have lost on halo reach they should have been prototypes on the game


An elite kills Kat, not a Jackal.

Edit: Beat, damn. Though it was a field marshall no?


Yep, and I do believe it was the same one from Winter Contingency.

  • 10.10.2011 4:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Palmhc
They were outnumbered a single elite can beat a noble if they wanted to (or a jackel(kat dies that way)
If they had the ODST's and Spartans they needed they wouldnt have lost on halo reach they should have been prototypes on the game


An elite kills Kat, not a Jackal.

Edit: Beat, damn. Though it was a field marshall no?


Yep, and I do believe it was the same one from Winter Contingency.


What makes you say that?

  • 10.10.2011 5:30 PM PDT

The theory that is most popular is the field marshal in WC, that kills kat, and appears as the final enemy of PoA mission, is the same Elite.

  • 10.10.2011 5:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The theory that is most popular is the field marshal in WC, that kills kat, and appears as the final enemy of PoA mission, is the same Elite.


It killed Emile as well then. Two SPARTAN kills, one badass Elite if you ask me.

  • 10.10.2011 5:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The theory that is most popular is the field marshal in WC, that kills kat, and appears as the final enemy of PoA mission, is the same Elite.


It killed Emile as well then. Two SPARTAN kills, one badass Elite if you ask me.


The zealot that killed emile was killed by Emile... The field marshall is the one with the fuel rod in the room behind the mass driver.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Palmhc
They were outnumbered a single elite can beat a noble if they wanted to (or a jackel(kat dies that way)
If they had the ODST's and Spartans they needed they wouldnt have lost on halo reach they should have been prototypes on the game


An elite kills Kat, not a Jackal.

Edit: Beat, damn. Though it was a field marshall no?


Yep, and I do believe it was the same one from Winter Contingency.


What makes you say that?


I think Bungie said that, he was hunting Kat down in the hopes she still had that data.

  • 10.11.2011 6:49 AM PDT

If u knew anything u would know that the army that destroyd reach was 50 times larger then the the one on earth pluss it was luck that the pillar of autum got trough the blockade the blockade had 5000 seraphs 20000 banshees 7 destroyers 4 cruiser clas and to the end a modership its a mix of destroyer class 10 and a fighter ship clas 9 and they thoug reach was earth

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  • 10.11.2011 8:20 AM PDT

a jackal kills cat smart ass

  • 10.11.2011 8:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .

Wrong, it's the Elite Field Marshall from Winter Contingency and POA.

  • 10.11.2011 8:47 AM PDT

Posted by: crypto54
a jackal kills cat smart ass


Failure.

  • 10.11.2011 8:56 AM PDT

All I'm going to point out is that Cat needed to get a better helmet, Jorge should have jumped out at the last second, Emile should have watched what he was doing and Carter should have helped destroy the Scarab the old fashioned way. Heck, Six should have quit the first day.

  • 10.11.2011 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: crypto54
If u knew anything u would know that the army that destroyd reach was 50 times larger then the the one on earth pluss it was luck that the pillar of autum got trough the blockade the blockade had 5000 seraphs 20000 banshees 7 destroyers 4 cruiser clas and to the end a modership its a mix of destroyer class 10 and a fighter ship clas 9 and they thoug reach was earth


lol, just lol.

  • 10.11.2011 2:50 PM PDT

Okay, listen, we should get our stories straight, all right? If anyone asks, and no one's gonna ask, don't worry, but if anyone asks, tell them as far as you know, the last time you checked, everyone looked pretty much alive, all right? Not dead.

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  • 10.11.2011 2:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Dark Rush z28
All I'm going to point out is that Cat needed to get a better helmet, Jorge should have jumped out at the last second, Emile should have watched what he was doing and Carter should have helped destroy the Scarab the old fashioned way. Heck, Six should have quit the first day.


Better helm wouldn't of worked. Chief would've died from that shot.

Hard to jump out and reach safe distance if you literally have to push the launch button.

Hard to spot somebody behind you moving slow enough to not appear on motion tracker.

And how would Carter destroy the scarab using firepower when the pelican has no missile pods and it's about to turn Six, Emile, and the package into a nice glassy splat across the ground?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I still feel that Emile should have heard that elite or something

  • 10.11.2011 3:08 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
I still feel that Emile should have heard that elite or something


Hm, maybe. depends how loud of a thunk it'd make when it hit the mass driver. and how the control booth muffles it.

That's different then saying it'd show up on motion tracker(or he ignored it) so I'll give you that :).

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  • 10.11.2011 3:16 PM PDT