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Subject: Pre-Cryptum: What did you think the origins of the Flood were?

@accordingto343

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This may be somewhat of a more personal question, but I'm curious, what did you initially believe were the Flood's origins before we got them in Cryptum?

I think Lord Snakie's theory was one of the most followed at the time and led a lot of us to think he was right. Though he ended up being wrong, his theory helped shape my views, so much so I wrote a fanfiction about it. It too was wrong, as I would expect.

Still, what view did you guys have?

  • 09.04.2011 9:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Precursor made?

  • 09.04.2011 9:17 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Precursor made?


That would probably be the consensus for most of us wouldn't it? However, for what purpose they made them may differ. You have any rough idea you can recall?

  • 09.04.2011 9:23 PM PDT

Part of why I like Cryptum so much was because I seemed to hit the nail on the head nearly perfectly, so I may be a bit biased. I originally had thought that the Flood came to this galaxy as a result of a war with the Precursors (them being the only trans-galactic race) which in a way could still be correct if you consider the Primordial, who likely made the Flood, was locked up by his own race, probably because of the Flood.

I had also believed strongly that the Gravemind was a Precursor gone bad. Both Precursors and Gravemind is listed as Transsentient. I figured there was likely a correlation, considering two related concepts were introduced at once: transsentience and the Precursors, with Gravemind in turn also being called a transsentient in the same book. Consequentially, I believed he created the Flood as an antithesis to the Forerunners/Humans (who in a theory I read were suggested to be creations of the PR's, so that was right as well; I like that "god theory" so I ran with it) and assimilated himself. So far, its 95% confirmed Gravemind is in fact an evil Precursor.

Of course, most of my previous thoughts are still unconfirmed. But they're not confirmed wrong either.

[Edited on 09.04.2011 9:27 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 9:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
Precursor made?


That would probably be the consensus for most of us wouldn't it? However, for what purpose they made them may differ. You have any rough idea you can recall?


Not really, but it's the only logical thing my mind can come up with for the origin of the "dust".

  • 09.04.2011 9:27 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Honestly, I just assumed the Gravemind was a Frankenstein experiment gone bad. I envisioned a Flood spore being accidentally released into the wild and slowly forming into a creature I call the Alpha Gravemind. It would only have animal biomass and sentience at first and be primal. However, it's first contact with the Precursors left it injured and enraged when it instilled fear in their midst.

After absorbing those Precursors, it received full sentience, or fuller sentience. It's spread became so large, the Precursor military started to attack it. However, it proved to be futile as the Precursor's capital world would fall to it. And yet after all this, Alpha still just wanted to acceptance of it's creator, who rejected it.

From their, it spread across the Precursor's galaxy and consumed more worlds. The Precursors then forced themselves to destroy their own galaxy with a superweapon that caused the stars to quickly supernova. A ridiculous concept I know.

However, a few Precursors survived to leave the galaxy and head to the Milky Way, passing their knowledge on to the Forerunners. The Alpha would send it's own vessel to the Milky Way before being incinerated, but that voyage took considerably longer. The rest is history.

And in the end, the Alpha would become rational and seek repentance, much like Mendicant Bias, but his consciousnesses would be overwhelmed by our Gravemind.

  • 09.04.2011 9:36 PM PDT

I remember there was one theory by a member whos name slips my mind about Forerunners, Humanity and the Flood being the "children" of the precursors. I had doubts about the flood being just a parasite from another galaxy (The Flood Super Cell is too advanced for being made by chance IMO) and I kind of liked the precursors making them.

  • 09.04.2011 9:56 PM PDT

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

I though the flood was a hive mind that just traveled from galaxy to galaxy gaining more and more knowledge as it went along...

Pretty simple

  • 09.04.2011 9:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: Sniffy66
I remember there was one theory by a member whos name slips my mind about Forerunners, Humanity and the Flood being the "children" of the precursors. I had doubts about the flood being just a parasite from another galaxy (The Flood Super Cell is too advanced for being made by chance IMO) and I kind of liked the precursors making them.


Lord Snakie?

  • 09.04.2011 9:56 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Sniffy66
I remember there was one theory by a member whos name slips my mind about Forerunners, Humanity and the Flood being the "children" of the precursors. I had doubts about the flood being just a parasite from another galaxy (The Flood Super Cell is too advanced for being made by chance IMO) and I kind of liked the precursors making them.


Sounds like Lord Snakie.

  • 09.04.2011 9:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: PH0T0Nman
I though the flood was a hive mind that just traveled from galaxy to galaxy gaining more and more knowledge as it went along...

Pretty simple


You haven't read Cryptum then?

  • 09.04.2011 9:57 PM PDT

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

errr by the way what does the book say? (hasn't been released here)


^and no you idiot I haven't and it wouldn't matter because this forum is about what you thought about the flood Before cryptum

[Edited on 09.04.2011 10:00 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 9:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: PH0T0Nman
errr by the way what does the book say? (hasn't been released here)


In the Forerunner days, Humans found a ship with "dust" in hundreds of glassy containers, and found that it was organic. They, for some reason, sprinkled it on their pets, which made them more obediant I think? Anyway, these pets eventually went hostile, and then later made a primitive version of the Flood.

Correct me if I said something wrong. It's been months since I've read it.

  • 09.04.2011 10:02 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man

Posted by: PH0T0Nman
errr by the way what does the book say? (hasn't been released here)


In the Forerunner days, Humans found a ship with "dust" in hundreds of glassy containers, and found that it was organic. They, for some reason, sprinkled it on their pets, which made them more obediant I think? Anyway, these pets eventually went hostile, and then later made a primitive version of the Flood.

Correct me if I said something wrong. It's been months since I've read it.


That's the gist of it, it's essentially an intergalactic version of Mad Cow.


[Edited on 09.04.2011 10:04 PM PDT]

  • 09.04.2011 10:04 PM PDT

KIWIZ RULE THE WORLD!

Its just that nobody knows it yet...

...
U know what I think I'll forget what you just told me and go back to the days when I thought the floods origins where actually cool.

  • 09.04.2011 10:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: PH0T0Nman
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U know what I think I'll forget what you just told me and go back to the days when I thought the floods origins where actually cool.


It's actually not that bad when you consider the context. This Flood wasn't organized by the Gravemind yet, therefore it would be very primal and not quite the parasite we all know and fear.

  • 09.04.2011 10:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: PH0T0Nman
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U know what I think I'll forget what you just told me and go back to the days when I thought the floods origins where actually cool.


It's actually not that bad when you consider the context. This Flood wasn't organized by the Gravemind yet, therefore it would be very primal and not quite the parasite we all know and fear.


The Flood then is basicually what Neandurthals are to us.

  • 09.04.2011 10:08 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

To be honest, I never thought about the origin of The Flood before Cryptum. I guess I assumed it was just...created. Like a virus.

  • 09.04.2011 10:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
To be honest, I never thought about the origin of The Flood before Cryptum. I guess I assumed it was just...created. Like a virus.


Am I the only one that thought that the Flood is at least somewhat similar to the Desolacada from the Ender's Game series? Yes? No?

  • 09.04.2011 10:31 PM PDT


Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: PH0T0Nman
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U know what I think I'll forget what you just told me and go back to the days when I thought the floods origins where actually cool.


It's actually not that bad when you consider the context. This Flood wasn't organized by the Gravemind yet, therefore it would be very primal and not quite the parasite we all know and fear.


The Flood then is basicually what Neandurthals are to us.


....What?

  • 09.04.2011 11:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: CavemanBCE

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: PH0T0Nman
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U know what I think I'll forget what you just told me and go back to the days when I thought the floods origins where actually cool.


It's actually not that bad when you consider the context. This Flood wasn't organized by the Gravemind yet, therefore it would be very primal and not quite the parasite we all know and fear.


The Flood then is basicually what Neandurthals are to us.


....What?


The original Flood was very primitive compared to the ones the Forerunners fought, and we fight in the games, like Neanderthals are primitive versions of Humans. Comprende?

  • 09.04.2011 11:06 PM PDT

Neanderthals weren't really more primitive than the H. sapiens at the time.

  • 09.04.2011 11:09 PM PDT

Was Snakie's idea the one where the Precursor's created the flood to gather intelligence from their own dead because they wanted all the knowledge ever?

I liked that one.

  • 09.04.2011 11:25 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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Posted by: Schulzy3
Was Snakie's idea the one where the Precursor's created the flood to gather intelligence from their own dead because they wanted all the knowledge ever?

I liked that one.


Maybe? I think Wolverfrog used that idea in one of his fanfics, and that it was inspired by Snakies theory, but I don't know if that particular part is from Snakie's theory.

  • 09.04.2011 11:27 PM PDT

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--Ralph Ellison

I guess I never put that much thought into it, but I guess though it was something along the lines of what zombie movies do. Basically just some sort of infection/experimentation the went wrong.

  • 09.05.2011 12:32 AM PDT

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