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Subject: Should Bungie.net Be English-Only?

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There's the occasional thread with non-English language in it, but it's not something that's happening so frequently that we need a rule about it.

  • 09.05.2011 3:30 PM PDT

That'd be a waste of space. Nobody would use them besides the English-speakers having a laugh, with the exception of a few foreigners.
Posted by: noting4u
How about having separate forums for other languages?

  • 09.05.2011 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: FlexedCookie
There's the occasional thread with non-English language in it, but it's not something that's happening so frequently that we need a rule about it.
Thats the thing. It would just requier the deletion of or editing of a rule.

  • 09.05.2011 3:34 PM PDT
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I think they should make a few general discussion forums for Spanish, French, and German.

  • 09.05.2011 3:34 PM PDT

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English and Pirate speak only.

[Edited on 09.05.2011 3:58 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 3:57 PM PDT

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I think it's fine how it is.

  • 09.05.2011 3:57 PM PDT

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You would only be able to have foreign languages if there was a moderator that could speak said foreign language.

  • 09.05.2011 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tactical77
You would only be able to have foreign languages if there was a moderator that could speak said foreign language.

  • 09.05.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deathcon 5
English and Pirate speak only.
Harr! Send all ye landlubbers to the brig!

  • 09.05.2011 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: American Recoil
Posted by: Deathcon 5
English and Pirate speak only.
Harr! Send all ye landlubbers to the brig!
Technically "pirate" may be unintelligible to some forumgoers and so is disallowed...... :P

/killjoy

  • 09.05.2011 4:11 PM PDT

You're growing annoying. It was clearly a joke.
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: American Recoil
Posted by: Deathcon 5
English and Pirate speak only.
Harr! Send all ye landlubbers to the brig!
Technically "pirate" may be unintelligible to some forumgoers and so is disallowed...... :P

/killjoy

  • 09.05.2011 4:13 PM PDT

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Look, what it really comes down to is two things:
1. Organisation,
2. Moderation.

You can't just go lifting all the language restrictions on all the forums: you'd have Spanish threads next to English ones, Chinese ones next to Polish ones. For everyone that does not speak those languages, those threads are clutter, spam. They're completely useless and unintelligable to you. So, what do you do? You either update all the forums with language filters (which adds hasle to posting: "I am posting in... english") or you create new forums that are language specific (like, the French Reach forum, or whatever). Still, that is more navigational clutter and duplication of forums of each specific language you support and, heh, there are a lot of potential languages.

So even if you can solve the organisational issues, you still have the problem of moderation. B.net is attempted to be kept friendly and clean by a team of community volunteer moderators and a handful of Bungie Employees where managing b.net and the moderators is but a small part of their job. Most (if not all) of the moderators don't fluently speak other languages, and there is unlikely to be much commonality among any languages they do happen to speak. So you need new moderating teams for each language you support. However, if none of the Bungie staff speak said languages, how can they keep tabs on them? How do they know the moderating team is doing what it is supposed to if they don't know what is being said? So you need a bi-or multi-lingual member of staff to watch over it. Without spending several years training a current employee in the relevent languages, you need to hire someone for the job, and multi-lingual people are hard to come by. Much more difficult to come by, I imagine, are those wanting to work as a community rep for a video game company, in the united states.

Finally, even if you did make the hire, one of the points of the b.net is for Bungie to watch over their community, to see what they're talking about, gather feedback and impressions from the most hardcore and, occasionally, to interact with them directly. If most of your staff can't read most of your non-english forums, all that is lost.

Don't get me wrong: I too look forward to the day when all the world's peoples can communicate freely. Hopefully within our lifetimes that will be enabled by massively improved machine translations. But for now the issues stand, largely unassailable without a large investment for what may unfortunately be a very small gain: it is the unfortunate truth that Bungie's games are most popular in English speaking countries. Part of this is undoubtedly to do with them being originally made in english, but once you've created the conditions, getting people in the forum (at least a few) is a whole new task in itself.

Bottom line:
Should it be? Ideall not.
Will it remain that way for the foreseeable future? Yes, it will.

[Edited on 09.05.2011 4:18 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 4:15 PM PDT

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There's no question to me that the site should be English-only, and that's not out of any desire to discriminate against other countries and cultures; over 90% of the user base here and the employees (probably much closer to 100%) speak English. A few might are bilingual and only a handful are tri or better, which means the vast majority of people here won't understand anything that could be said.

There are plenty of forum hosting sites on the internet where people of a certain language can congregate together and communicate with each other without the worry of us popping up and asking "wtf are you saying?"

  • 09.05.2011 4:21 PM PDT

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I am in favor of having at least English and Spanish, as for Spanish is the 2nd language spoken by the world and everything needs to have a change.

I always think why ban people that talk Spanish? Let the other people who talk Spanish in the forums respond what he/she needs to be answered, rather than just ban or warn that person because he/she can't talk very well English. Other languages can be prohibit, but not Spanish.

Someone can say that there are private groups to talk in your language, but not all of those groups can have an official answer of an employee or have some posts of interest or does not has that much people to interact and have their problems fixed. Bungie should be English- Spanish forums, if Bungie needs mods for Spanish threads, gather intel and one problem fixed about multicultural people.


[Edited on 09.05.2011 4:29 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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There is already a rule about English only. Not to mention as Achilles said, it is proper forum etiquette to post in the language of the host's forum. In this case, since it is in the U.S., people SHOULD post in English.

  • 09.05.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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If there were other languages allowed, then the forums would have to be separated. Different forums for different languages. I don't think it's very practical.

  • 09.05.2011 4:30 PM PDT

Exactly. We'd need more forums, which wouldn't be used as often or hardly at all.
Posted by: Mazaarheadz
If there were other languages allowed, then the forums would have to be separated. Different forums for different languages. I don't think it's very practical.

  • 09.05.2011 4:42 PM PDT
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Think of it this way:
If one language other than English was supported, what is supposed to stop people from saying "Hey, where is Y language since X language is supported?"
Then people say "Where is Z language since Y language is supported?"
Repeat for every known language.

For the forum for each language idea, who would moderate them?

Who would put in and maintain the support for special characters?

My point is, English has worked just fine since this site was started. Most countries require English to be learned as a second language anyway, so why support another language when it ultimately is not needed?

  • 09.05.2011 4:51 PM PDT

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Bungie is an American company, they can make the website whatever language they want.

  • 09.05.2011 4:54 PM PDT

Yes, but the idea was to give your opinion.
Posted by: fatman1236
Bungie is an American company, they can make the website whatever language they want.

  • 09.05.2011 4:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
Yes, but the idea was to give your opinion.
Posted by: fatman1236
Bungie is an American company, they can make the website whatever language they want.

And his opinion, if I understand it correctly, was this: It's all up to Bungie, which is an American company.

[Edited on 09.05.2011 5:00 PM PDT]

  • 09.05.2011 5:00 PM PDT

That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Clearly it's up to Bungie. I was asking what you think. I was asking whether or no you think Bnet should be English-only.
Posted by: Kickimanjaro

Posted by: ctjl96
Yes, but the idea was to give your opinion.
Posted by: fatman1236
Bungie is an American company, they can make the website whatever language they want.

And his opinion, if I understand it correctly, was this: It's all up to Bungie, which is an American company.

  • 09.05.2011 5:03 PM PDT

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