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Computer: Power Mac G5 CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (2.2) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB Memory: 1.25 GB Bus Speed: 900 MHz

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elmicker wrote:

ok then. Let's say.. never. to do it effectively you'd have to either port both havok and directx to mac, or rebuild halo 2 using alternative mac-compatible engines. Seeing as this time it's being ported in house by microsoft, i doubt it will be moved away from microsoft products and compatibility. Chances are; it would be cheaper to buy every mac owner a vista-capable PC than it would be to port the engines and the game.


http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
Boot Camp means that Windows will run native on the new Intel based Macs.

It may mean the death of the Mac-specific game industry, since all you'd need to do to run PC games is to install Boot Camp and Windows and any program, (including games) will run on the Mac. And not under emulation, so it'll be fast.

  • 04.06.2006 11:09 AM PDT
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Not quite. While I would be all for a mac, there is one or two things holding me back. Firstoff, the entire computer is designed and optimized to run Mac OS. In other words, while the software will certainly be all ready for Windows programs, the hardware might not work well with Windows.

Also, Macs have yet to stick an AMD chip in their boxes. Until they do, and when they offer BootCamp on their new upcoming OS (Panther, I think? corrections welcome.), then I might just seriously consider a mac as a primary computer.

  • 04.06.2006 1:08 PM PDT
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Really? No advantages? Have you used a Mac?

  • 04.06.2006 1:19 PM PDT
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Untill you can customize a mac like you can a PC, hardware wise, I won't switch.

  • 04.06.2006 1:36 PM PDT
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Customize hardware.... you don't mean the neon light junk? do ya Chewy?

There are upgrades in hardware for Mac. I've boosted my Quicksilver G4 from a dual 800 MHz to dual 1.3 GHz. Graphics card from NVIDIA GeForce2 MX to a NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium. ...now there's a dual 1.8 GHz Sonnet available...hmmm. nope. I'd get an Intel Mac before upgrading this clean machine again. Maxed the RAM (never buy the extra RAM from Apple). One aspect of Mac to consider... it's not typically a target of virus makers...hmmm. No PC maker is free of bugs and their patches to follow.

Whether or not drivers that are compatible with each game...becomes an unknown factor. ¿XBConnect?

The hang up really is the migration of PowerPC chip orientated software towards Intel chips. Support for older processo orientated apps will dwindle. Upgrading applications?? Discounted prices for upgrades... when a user gets an Intel machine... Does he/she fall back into the new app necessary category? (having the machine verify a SN of a prior software version... common in uploading a bought "upgrade" of an application. It'd be exxentially easier to the user to get the new application version, but will the companies offer a rebate for circumventing the upgrade status...?) Am I wording this app upgrade to Intel Mac well?

The many upgrades of Photoshop (4 to 7) on this baby. primarily. Dang, Photoshop 4 was originally on my old Power Computing PTPro... PowerPC 604e 250MHz!
It was better than my Texas Instruments Laptop... 25MHz! *shiver* Damn that was a heavy brick! A good word processor for college at the time.

  • 04.06.2006 4:31 PM PDT
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I mean like ram and cpu and graphics card and things like that. A mac just isn't compatable and isn't meant to be upgraded like a PC is.

  • 04.06.2006 4:33 PM PDT
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cough* go to "www.xlr8yourmac.com"*cough
say what? did you read my last post?

+"I've boosted my Quicksilver G4 from a dual 800 MHz to dual 1.3 GHz. Graphics card from NVIDIA GeForce2 MX to a NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium."
++hehhehheh silly rabbit.

[Edited on 4/6/2006]

  • 04.06.2006 5:48 PM PDT
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Thats terrible! That GPU is like 5 generations old. You cannot do what you can with a PC with a mac.

  • 04.06.2006 6:09 PM PDT
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Oh and Mars? Try to tone it down. I know you're having a debate with Chewy, but that doesn't mean you flame Chewy for his opinion. He could be right, he could be wrong, but respect him nonetheless, the way he's respecting your opinion by countering with facts instead of childish "silly rabbit" comments.

[Edited on 4/6/2006]

  • 04.06.2006 7:25 PM PDT
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the ridiculous comment of 'silly rabbit' was my toning down.
My g4 Quicksilver was not an example of the most recent hardware upgrades available for Macs. I'm thinking none of you have a Mac. So why bother posting in here? (could be right/wrong... wtf?) The Chump said the Macs have not upgradeablity. That's absolute bull-blam!-. There are Mac products and there are PC products... I'm thinking this Chewy fella is either pulling my chain or never heard of a Commodor 64. (simply an old /aged PC reference)

Well, my sister is get'n Married in 2 months, so I decided what those two will get for a gift... a 20" iMac 2Ghz. I'm gonna putt that Boot Camp on it to have XP and OSX on 2 partitions. While I've got it, I'm gonna get XP's BattleField2 to do some sampling. It's going to be an interesting weekend. After looking at the online stores and the Apple stores.... the Apple price for RAM isn't as bad as it used to be. Which was usually double the common retail store prices. If it only had a BlueRay drive....

  • 04.07.2006 8:45 AM PDT
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i was wondering does anyone kno how to install halo on the mac like i cant get it working it say i need to pick a application to open it with could anybody help me with this asap

thx

  • 04.07.2006 11:03 AM PDT
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I am not saying you can't upgrade a mac, I am saying that macs don't have the selection, and depending on how old it is, isn't easy to upgrade. I hear they are getting better for easier upgrades. You can make highend super PC gaming machines, as well as lower machine now for way less than a Mac. Macs just aren't there yet. Yet.

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  • 04.07.2006 2:06 PM PDT
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Abotu Boot camp. In their press release apple mentioned two things

* Their loader is superior to the old BIOS system
* Boot camp essentially emulates a BIOS

Now, i can understand windows running faster on a mac than an indentical spec pc, simply because macs are streamlined for OS-efficiency (because, well, face it, there's not much else they're useful for), but there's a few problems i have with the whole boot camp thing. First off, it's emulating a bios, so obviously it'll run slower than having an actual bios chip, so there goes any hardware advantage. For the same price as a very-low end intel mac, i could have a mid to high spec gaming pc, which eliminates any more hardware advantage it may have. A PC is designed to run windows (well, at least mine is, every component had "designed for windows xp" on the box), so obviously it will run faster than on a mac.

So frankly; it's cheaper to just buy a pc rather than risking -blam!- up your expensive mac with an os that will run slower anyway.

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aaight, I can tell ya from experience. The iMac 20" 2GHz with 256MB ATI & 2GB RAM runs XP just fine. I use a Dell at work, that runs just as quickly. I'll get the Dell specs when I go in there later today and post them here. BF2: Modern Combat...not Combat Evolved... runs well at high settings with antialiasing at max too.

200 GB to the Mac; 30 GB to the XP. ..... with "designed for windows xp" on the box... hehhehheh What will Vista do to it? Vista, the other Mac OS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Just like the Intel chipsets will cause havoc under software optimized for PowerPC chips, Vista may cause havoc for non Vista optimised software...? the road ahead is turning for both sides.

Certainly this iMac 20" will not produce amazing quality of gaming as a maxed, brand spank'n new, hardware system designed for gaming (alienware's newest with quad SLI; dual CPU/cores etc). iMacs are more similar to a laptop, than a desktop. Chewy, your reluctance to type a bit more and express yourself more clearly and be not misunderstood, makes for unnecessary typing. Just state the specifics: Chewy likes to have a choice of an Intel shipset or an AMD chipset on many variations of motherboards (with the same RAM companies as Mac~practically; the same GPU companies~ATI & Nvidia; and they are all made in China).

When are games going to be utilizing the NTSC instead of the FAT32? or have I missed that memo because I don't follow Windows all that much...? Heck, I miss a lot of the Apple memos too. 64bit Processing??? I see many system requirements for game titles that mention 32... are they not compatible with 64bit? or can a 64bit be FAT32 formatted?? I'm not sure how that all breaks down for a new game on "build for XP" hardware? Seriously, please give me some insight...

+++Is the Crossfire ATI's answer to SLI by Nvidia¿?¿? or does ATI have another line of products to compete with SLI?

[Edited on 4/10/2006]

  • 04.10.2006 7:36 AM PDT
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PC to the end!!! :p




[Edited on 4/10/2006]

  • 04.10.2006 9:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Chewy Gumball
Untill you can customize a mac like you can a PC, hardware wise, I won't switch.


I believe that stated my point quite clearly.

Games only require 32 bit because 64 bit processors aren't as common. Having a 64 bit processor will increase performance, but not as much as if things were programmed to take advanatage of it. Its more of a futureproof thing right now. Vista will have 64 bit versions so will take advantage of the extra power. Crossfire is ATi's answer to SLi. Crossfire is different though. In SLi you need 2 of the same cards, in Crossfire, you need a Crossfire enabled card and mobo (boss card) and then any other ATi PCIe card (slave card). This allows more flexability, allowing you to buy the expensive card, then upgrade the second card later. In SLi you would have to upgrade both at the same time.

  • 04.10.2006 1:36 PM PDT

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