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Subject: Do the elites still believe that the Forerunners are gods?

I would imagine that some of them would become a heretic and say that the it was all a lie, but thats just me what do you think.

  • 09.07.2011 3:49 PM PDT

They haven't had time to think about it, I guess.

  • 09.07.2011 3:50 PM PDT
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It's possible.

  • 09.07.2011 3:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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They are in a flux right now. They still hold onto the concept of the gods, but they may soon turn to humanity to get the answers they seek.

  • 09.07.2011 3:51 PM PDT

Well the had about ten seconds to decide that the Great journey the prophets and the aliance bettwen them was a lie why not the gods

  • 09.07.2011 3:52 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: GrandFountain83
Well the had about ten seconds to decide that the Great journey the prophets and the aliance bettwen them was a lie why not the gods


Make no mistake, they still have faith, but what they should believe IN is going to be the question.

  • 09.07.2011 3:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: GrandFountain83
Well the had about ten seconds to decide that the Great journey the prophets and the aliance bettwen them was a lie why not the gods


Make no mistake, they still have faith, but what they should believe IN is going to be the question.


They believe in killing Brutes

  • 09.07.2011 3:55 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: GrandFountain83
Well the had about ten seconds to decide that the Great journey the prophets and the aliance bettwen them was a lie why not the gods


Make no mistake, they still have faith, but what they should believe IN is going to be the question.


They believe in killing Brutes


And the "gods".

  • 09.07.2011 3:56 PM PDT

I remeber reading something called "The return" in it the humans found some relics and a Oracle, would the elites be willing to go to war for their gods.

  • 09.07.2011 3:57 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: GrandFountain83
I remeber reading something called "The return" in it the humans found some relics and a Oracle, would the elites be willing to go to war for their gods.

They'd lose. They're technology is falling apart, they lack the knowledge to make more, and they are already focused on fighting Brutes. They did rescue an injured human, but the UNSC doesn't know that...conflict in the making I'd say.

  • 09.07.2011 3:59 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
They are in a flux right now. They still hold onto the concept of the gods, but they may soon turn to humanity to get the answers they seek.


I smile at the thought of humanity and Elites coexisting together, on the same planets, and in the same military. I can imagine that there'd be some integration and discrimination issues at first, though.

Lol, Christian Elites.

[Edited on 09.07.2011 4:08 PM PDT]

  • 09.07.2011 4:08 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Yes, for some reason. I don't know how it is possible either after everything that has happened.

  • 09.07.2011 5:06 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Yes, for some reason. I don't know how it is possible either after everything that has happened.


Its in the nature of the faithful to hold onto their faith. Its not just the Elites, its every religious human in the history of the planet, who would react the same way. Their staunch faith doesn't surprise me.

Imagine if I told you everything you've ever known in your entire life was a flat out lie. You'd have trouble moving on as well.

  • 09.07.2011 5:16 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Its in the nature of the faithful to hold onto their faith. Its not just the Elites, its every religious human in the history of the planet, who would react the same way. Their staunch faith doesn't surprise me.

No it is not. It is in the nature of every willfully ignorant and irrational Human in history to remain faithful to something when reason and evidence says that this "something", whatever that may be, is false.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Imagine if I told you everything you've ever known in your entire life was a flat out lie. You'd have trouble moving on as well.

Now? No, so long as you have evidence or adequate justification for your claim. 3 or 4 years ago? Probably. However if I did remain willfully ignorant then you would have every right to criticize me. That sort of faith is a vice, not a virtue.

The Return is 6 years after Halo 3, which is plenty of time to consider the ramifications of their discoveries in 2552. Combined with this, which were the facts that came to light about the Great Journey being false which should make them far more open to the possibility of the rest of their faith being wrong, should be the more classical issues with gods and the supernatural that almost every religion faces, I am surprised that there appears to be no renaissance occurring in their society.

  • 09.07.2011 5:44 PM PDT

No, they know they built the Halo's to stop the flood. Everything that they learned while in the covenant they realized was a lie. Or grossly misunderstood by the covie races. Which is why the left and fought to stop the covies and save their own home world.

  • 09.07.2011 6:20 PM PDT
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

they probably converted to islam, christianity or buddhism.

  • 09.07.2011 6:58 PM PDT

The Elites (some at least, we don't really know how many) still believe the Forerunners to be gods and still believe in the Great Journey. They obviously know that the Halos are not the answer and that the Prophets were lying to them about a great many things. And yeah, I'd imagine that some of them did go several steps further than anyone else and say it's all wrong, I don't think they'd be the majority though, but who knows, we'll see how things are in Glassland's Trilogy.

  • 09.07.2011 9:02 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
but who knows, we'll see how things are in Glassland's Trilogy.


Or Haro Fow.

  • 09.08.2011 5:09 AM PDT

Chuck Norris......Is awesome...

No Halo evolutions says so but they are still pissed at humanity for "defilling the Relics"

  • 09.08.2011 7:27 AM PDT

Chuck Norris......Is awesome...

the elites don't anyways

  • 09.08.2011 7:28 AM PDT

'The Return' says some do, at least.

  • 09.08.2011 7:56 AM PDT

The Elites could go the way of humans (closer to how we are now than in 2552), in that some will abandon religion entirely (I'd imagine the Arbiter and Rtas to be similar to the generally secular human population). Some will abandon faith in the Forerunners as gods but will find other religious beliefs. Others still will retain the Forerunner worship, perhaps even violently opposing heretics.

It may be too difficult to read, given our current information. Although our species has existed with supernatural beliefs for probably it's entirety, the various spiritual mythologies have varied from the more primitive animism and nature worship, to different polytheisms, to monotheism, to Xenu capturing the souls of conquered worlds and stuffing them into volcanoes. The Sangheili have, as far as we know, had the same religion since they were returned to their planet from the Ark with only minor modifications when the Covenant was formed. They've also existed under theocratic totalitarianism for thousands of years. It may be, at this point in their evolution, entirely likely that atheism or even doubt at all is a rarity. How many heretics were there before the end of the Human-Covenant War? I don't think there have been many. They've been bred to be superstitious since, at the very least, the Covenants inception. Hard to change that.

[Edited on 09.08.2011 3:14 PM PDT]

  • 09.08.2011 3:14 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

The way I see it, the Elites would not believe in the Great Journey, but they would either still believe the Forerunners to be Gods, or perhaps would return to their older religions. The Return somewhat hints that some Elites are "looking for the Gods."

  • 09.08.2011 3:25 PM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
The way I see it, the Elites would not believe in the Great Journey, but they would either still believe the Forerunners to be Gods, or perhaps would return to their older religions. The Return somewhat hints that some Elites are "looking for the Gods."


Their older religion was Forerunner worship.

  • 09.08.2011 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
The way I see it, the Elites would not believe in the Great Journey, but they would either still believe the Forerunners to be Gods, or perhaps would return to their older religions. The Return somewhat hints that some Elites are "looking for the Gods."


jack0fhearts sums it up about right. Apparently the Arbiter also drops some hints to the rest of the Elites about the Human-Forerunner connection, but he probably didn't know much about it either.

  • 09.08.2011 3:31 PM PDT

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