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Subject: The Halo 3 terminals and Halo: Cryptum. Eh.
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I've just finished playing Halo 3 again, and while I was going through it, I took the time to read the terminals again (Which as you all know, is a conversation between the Didact and the Librarian). I've noticed some things that seem to contradict eachother, so I think I'm missing something.

Hopefully you all can help fill in the blanks.

In the 6th terminal, the Didact says to the Librarian that they've made a contender-class AI named Mendicant Bias and plans to use it to attack the Gravemind head on. During Halo: Cryptum however, by the time the Didact had been woken up, MB was already around.

Another thing is that when MB went missing during Halo: Cryptum, the Didact was in his crypt. During the Halo 3 terminals however, the Didact specifically tells the Librarian that MB has failed to respond after being sent to attack the Gravemind.

Which doesn't make sense at all. Someone fix my jumbled mind please.

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  • 09.13.2011 11:33 AM PDT

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The terminals contain information provided by MB and the librarian during their time there, it is highly possible that the terminal you mentioned contained information from before the didact was placed in his cryptum.

  • 09.13.2011 11:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: anish panchalin
Perhaps a small series of mistakes on 343i/greg bear's part explains this. Maybe they/he simply forgot to factor the timeline of events mentioned in the terminal in cryptum and this is another canon contradiction. Maybe this can be added on the "unexplainable errors in Halo canon" thread by privet caboose.(top forum topic to the right)

God damnit. That basically means one of two things will happen. The Halo 3 terminals will be considered non-canon and Cryptum will take its place, or it will be ignored like other errors (Hopefully there is an explanation though. The Halo 3 terminals were fantastic. It would be disappointing for them to be no longer considered canon)

Oooh okay then. I'll post my OP in there then. :)

  • 09.13.2011 11:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: deathman1000
The terminals contain information provided by MB and the librarian during their time there, it is highly possible that the terminal you mentioned contained information from before the didact was placed in his cryptum.

The Halo that went missing with MB disappeared 43 years before the Didact was woken up for the first time in thousands of years (If I'm not mistaken.)

[Edited on 09.13.2011 12:39 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin
Perhaps a small series of mistakes on 343i/greg bear's part explains this. Maybe they/he simply forgot to factor the timeline of events mentioned in the terminal in cryptum and this is another canon contradiction. Maybe this can be added on the "unexplainable errors in Halo canon" thread by privet caboose.(top forum topic to the right)

God damnit. That basically means one of two things will happen. The Halo 3 terminals will be considered non-canon and Cryptum will take its place, or it will be ignored like other errors (Hopefully there is an explanation though. The Halo 3 terminals were fantastic. It would be disappointing for them to be no longer considered canon)

Oooh okay then. I'll post my OP in there then. :)


The Terminals wouldn't be retconned, just that minor detail about the Didact. I believe I did see an explanation for it some months back, I'll see if I can find it.

  • 09.13.2011 11:59 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

In the terminals it seems the Forerunners were unaware of the existence of Humans.

In Cryptum the Forerunners were still aware of Human remnants in 100000 BC

BTW i love the Cryptum changes more then the terminals

[Edited on 09.13.2011 12:06 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 12:03 PM PDT

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For your first point:

Before Didact enters his Cryptum, he oversees the creation of Mendicant Bias who is being created to attack the Gravemind. However he loses the political battle against the Builders and the Halo Array gets given priority over his more surgical defense plans. He enters the Cryptum for 1000 years. During this time period Mendicant Bias is repurposed to control the Halo Array by the Builders.

The problem with this though is that it needs the Flood to be attacking before Didact went into the Cryptum, and for the Gravemind to be existing during that time as well which is one thousand years before the events of Cryptum (I think). I'm not sure how well that fits with other things.

I can't think of anything for number two.

  • 09.13.2011 12:11 PM PDT
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For your first point:

Before Didact enters his Cryptum, he oversees the creation of Mendicant Bias who is being created to attack the Gravemind. However he loses the political battle against the Builders and the Halo Array gets given priority over his more surgical defense plans. He enters the Cryptum for 1000 years. During this time period Mendicant Bias is repurposed to control the Halo Array by the Builders.

The problem with this though is that it needs the Flood to be attacking before Didact went into the Cryptum, and for the Gravemind to be existing during that time as well which is one thousand years before the events of Cryptum (I think). I'm not sure how well that fits with other things.

I can't think of anything for number two.

Mmm. But then the Didact wouldn't of been surprised that the Halos had been built in Cryptum..

I'm going to bed. It's getting late. I'll check this thread tomorrow afternoon. :)

  • 09.13.2011 12:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
Mmm. But then the Didact wouldn't of been surprised that the Halos had been built in Cryptum.

I was not aware that he was surprised by the rings existence. After all, his first words in Cryptum were something to the effect of "Have the damn things been fired yet?".

  • 09.13.2011 12:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: jross1993
Mmm. But then the Didact wouldn't of been surprised that the Halos had been built in Cryptum.

I was not aware that he was surprised by the rings existence. After all, his first words in Cryptum were something to the effect of "Have the damn things been fired yet?".

Oh? I completely forgot about that! I'm waay too tired. I don't even know why I'm still here.

Another random thought. In the book, MB disappeared when 'he' test fired the Halo right? But in the terminals MB disappeared with ships, not a Halo. Of course when he returned he breached the Maginot line with said ships instead of trying to destroy the Capital with said Halo.

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  • 09.13.2011 12:38 PM PDT

"The Forerunner story--the story of my people--has been told many times, with greater and greater idealization until I scarcely recognize it"

Everybody forgets this quote, but Born makes it clear that what we know is not entirely true. I see it as Medicant Bias embellishing/romantacizing the story in the Terminals to emphasize his wrong-doing, and so better to get the reader to empathize with his tragedy.

To the post above me, I do not recall it ever being stated anywhere in the Terminals Bias left with ships, merely that he was conversing with the Gravemind/Primordial for 43 years.

[Edited on 09.13.2011 1:04 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 1:01 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: jross1993
Another random thought. In the book, MB disappeared when 'he' test fired the Halo right? But in the terminals MB disappeared with ships, not a Halo. Of course when he returned he breached the Maginot line with said ships instead of trying to destroy the Capital with said Halo.

There was no indication of what he had on him when he was speaking with the Gravemind, so he could have had a Halo with him in the terminals. It is sort of made clear that he was waging war on the Forerunners before the Maginot line with all his aggressive messages that he sends the Forerunners, which means that the Battle at the Capitol could still take place before the Maginot line.

The ships that he uses there could either be borrowed from the Flood's fleets, or some of his own that he had on him since the beginning. (We don't really know what he had in the beginning, other than a Halo, obviously)

[Edited on 09.13.2011 1:24 PM PDT]

  • 09.13.2011 1:22 PM PDT