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Subject: How strong is Spartan armor?

We all know that Spartan armor is very strong but it seems like it can be unbreakable to as weak as marine armor.

For example in the beginning of halo 3 master chief survived a HUGE fall but Carter didn't survive the blast from an exploding pelican, Kat was killed by 1 needle getting through her helmet and Emile was killed by an energy sword.

What is going on with Spartan armor? It seems to be as unreliable as a 20 year old Dell!

  • 09.15.2011 2:58 AM PDT

Average Joe

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Unfortunately in Halo the characters are not at a set strength. This includes their gear, none of it is very consistent. That means the plot dictates how strong a character's gear is.

That being said. MJOLNIR armor has always been able to take a decent beating before the shields are out. When the shields are out the armor itself is relatively worthless as you start taking damage instantly.

(Funny how they also had shields in ODST but it was nicknamed "Stamina". Wouldn't Spartans have shields, ridiculous stamina, and health?

The armors primary function is to give the wearer a chance to seek cover when being shot at. It's not for rushing and definitely not meant to give a false sense of security.

  • 09.15.2011 3:31 AM PDT
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Epic Fail

Carter had no shielding his armour was about to shut down and he was a S3

  • 09.15.2011 3:35 AM PDT

Average Joe

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He still had MJOLNIR armor. SII or not he had the same protection. You can be a child or a Navy SEAL, but being in a tank will give you the same protection. Now how you use that tank will be different, but we aren't discussing that.

  • 09.15.2011 3:38 AM PDT
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more like any year dell.

  • 09.15.2011 6:12 AM PDT
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its meant to keep you from dying so freakin fast think about it you have no shields how fast do you think youll die. and the spartan lll had same armor carter died from a pelican explosion kat died because of the emp that was released in the area so she was as good as a injured marine emile got stabbed in the back from a energy sword so yeah

  • 09.15.2011 6:31 AM PDT

I wish the gameplay were canon. The actual plates could withstand a few plasma bolts.

  • 09.15.2011 7:06 AM PDT

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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

There is no armor in the UNSC that can fully withstand a full on plasma shot. Not a marines armor, not ODST armor, not SPI armor and not MJLONIR.

And the needles from Needlers and Needle Rifle have tremendous armor penetrating capability.

Cater was siting front seat in a Pelican that crashed face first into a Scarab while going at a considerable speed. There is no armor in hell that could protect you from getting flattened from the impact and blown to hell. Master Chief jumped from the Forerunner ship with a hunk of metal from the dreadnought as a shield, which took most of the impact.

  • 09.15.2011 7:13 AM PDT
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Step aside, people

MJOLNIR is incredibally durable. Here are some examples.

Mark IV armor easily shrugging off .30 caliber chaingun fire during the testing

Mark V shields only dropping to half after being hit by a smattering of 50mm rounds(So about 5) during the Mark V test.

Mark VI is said to have 2x the shield strength and 5x the armor density. This equates to 20 50mm rounds to drop the shields alone.


The damage you take in the game is game mechanics. You really think being shot twice in the foot by a sniper rifle would kill you? If you were as strong as you would be in the books, the game wouldn't be very fun as you are so overpowered vs bullets. Plasma is a different story though. But regardless game mechanics ARE NOT canon.

  • 09.15.2011 4:28 PM PDT

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Step aside, people

MJOLNIR is incredibally durable. Here are some examples.

Mark IV armor easily shrugging off .30 caliber chaingun fire during the testing

Mark V shields only dropping to half after being hit by a smattering of 50mm rounds(So about 5) during the Mark V test.

Mark VI is said to have 2x the shield strength and 5x the armor density. This equates to 20 50mm rounds to drop the shields alone.


The damage you take in the game is game mechanics. You really think being shot twice in the foot by a sniper rifle would kill you? If you were as strong as you would be in the books, the game wouldn't be very fun as you are so overpowered vs bullets. Plasma is a different story though. But regardless game mechanics ARE NOT canon.


And yet the rebels bring .30 cal guns just to kill some Spartans.

  • 09.15.2011 5:05 PM PDT
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.30 cal AP rounds vs Mk IV. They brought a significant amount as I recal. .30 cal probably has a chance to penetrate the metal mesh between the green plates, but those can probably shrug off a few high-end medium caliber rounds before taking any real damage.

  • 09.15.2011 5:08 PM PDT

Bullets don't work on it, so thats something (gameplay=/=canon).

And a needle rifle round travels at supersonic speeds (very supersonic, at least thats what I see in the game) so it could easily have penetrated otherwise very tough materials.

And an energy sword can cut through anything, thats obvious.

  • 09.15.2011 5:46 PM PDT
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Bullets>>>>> armor piercing qualities than Needler rounds. That was a canon fail.

  • 09.15.2011 5:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rumblefromabove
We all know that Spartan armor is very strong but it seems like it can be unbreakable to as weak as marine armor.

For example in the beginning of halo 3 master chief survived a HUGE fall but Carter didn't survive the blast from an exploding pelican, Kat was killed by 1 needle getting through her helmet and Emile was killed by an energy sword.

What is going on with Spartan armor? It seems to be as unreliable as a 20 year old Dell!


Master Chief survived the fall because of armor-lockup, not shield strength.

Carter was in an explosion.

And Emile was exposed to 2,000+ degree plasma.

Therefore, impact does little damage to shields, while energy transfer does a lot.

But that's just the shield side of things:

Kat didn't have her shields turned on at the time of her death, so the projectile passed through her armor just as it would pass through a concrete wall. If you're not smart enough to have your shields on, you really can't expect to avoid getting shot through the head.

  • 09.15.2011 6:20 PM PDT

Kyle Kilgore

master cheafs armor was in lock down so he can take more of a hit. all of the other spartans can do it.

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1. Master Chief's durability is not whats in question. The MJOLNIR Mark VI survived the fall with little to no damage on it.

2.and he was not wearing a helmet, meaning his shields were down.

3.The impact is only a threat because your body will be crushed against the armor that took no damage.

4. If you think a needle round will go through concrete I feel sorry for you. NEVER have needle rounds shown any AP qualities. Hell, when a needle round hits a marine in the head it is still 50%-75% out. If Needle rounds acted like they did in that cutscene, they would pass straigth through a Marine's head and keep going with lethal velocity.

  • 09.15.2011 6:28 PM PDT

"Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation."

The MJOLNIR Power Suit, the UNSC's most advanced piece of tech since the Shaw-Fukijawa FTL Drives. Metal plates made out of a Titanium-A shell (The same stuff that UNSC ship's hulls are made out from), a titanium nanocomposite nanosuit, threated steel plates, and other hardened metals. And ontop of that tank, there are Energy Shields, capable to withstand high caliber bullet rounds. SPARTANS are human tanks. Well, just in the books, games are different thanks to game mechanics.

  • 09.15.2011 6:42 PM PDT


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The MJOLNIR Power Suit, the UNSC's most advanced piece of tech since the Shaw-Fukijawa FTL Drives. Metal plates made out of a Titanium-A shell (The same stuff that UNSC ship's hulls are made out from), a titanium nanocomposite nanosuit, threated steel plates, and other hardened metals. And ontop of that tank, there are Energy Shields, capable to withstand high caliber bullet rounds. SPARTANS are human tanks. Well, just in the books, games are different thanks to game mechanics.


Yeah I'm just trying to figure out what is canon and what isn't. Most people have been saying armor is worthless and shields are everything but spartan armor is meant to keep the spartan alive through most situations... so in the cutscenes armor has the durability it has in multiplayer and in the books it is at true strength?

  • 09.15.2011 8:50 PM PDT
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Imagine the Arbiter from Halo War's armor. It took a a good portion of a 60 round 7.62mm AP clip without even flinching. It took the rapid fire clip of an M6D's .50 caliber HE rounds to unclench his hand, but no damage otherwise. Note that that is the plating alone.

  • 09.15.2011 9:29 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Wouldn't the needle rifle's needles act as bullets though, seeing how it can propel a needle, say, almost as far as the DMR? (using an example only) in the same speed?

  • 09.15.2011 9:42 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


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Wouldn't the needle rifle's needles act as bullets though, seeing how it can propel a needle, say, almost as far as the DMR? (using an example only) in the same speed?
This is what I think too, Needle rifle =/= Needler. Similar ammo, but not exactly the same. (Or it's about how the weapon works, and ammo is the same. We haven't seen needler mags since Halo 1.)

  • 09.16.2011 2:31 AM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
1. Master Chief's durability is not whats in question. The MJOLNIR Mark VI survived the fall with little to no damage on it.

2.and he was not wearing a helmet, meaning his shields were down.

3.The impact is only a threat because your body will be crushed against the armor that took no damage.

4. If you think a needle round will go through concrete I feel sorry for you. NEVER have needle rounds shown any AP qualities. Hell, when a needle round hits a marine in the head it is still 50%-75% out. If Needle rounds acted like they did in that cutscene, they would pass straigth through a Marine's head and keep going with lethal velocity.

  • 09.16.2011 3:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Wouldn't the needle rifle's needles act as bullets though, seeing how it can propel a needle, say, almost as far as the DMR? (using an example only) in the same speed?
This is what I think too, Needle rifle =/= Needler. Similar ammo, but not exactly the same. (Or it's about how the weapon works, and ammo is the same. We haven't seen needler mags since Halo 1.)


They still don't show ANY AP qualities. If a needle rifle round an go clean through a MJOLNIR Mark V helmet, then it would pass straight through a grunt's entire body. What purpose would the super-combine feature serve if it did that?

The whole design of Needle-based Covenant weaponry is to fire hard and sharp needles into soft targets. When the needle explodes it causes a lot of damage to soft tissue. If the needle rifle had AP qualities it would pass through soft materials, going against its purpose. It would also not be sticking 50%-75% out of "soft-targets"

  • 09.16.2011 11:29 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Wouldn't the needle rifle's needles act as bullets though, seeing how it can propel a needle, say, almost as far as the DMR? (using an example only) in the same speed?
This is what I think too, Needle rifle =/= Needler. Similar ammo, but not exactly the same. (Or it's about how the weapon works, and ammo is the same. We haven't seen needler mags since Halo 1.)


They still don't show ANY AP qualities. If a needle rifle round an go clean through a MJOLNIR Mark V helmet, then it would pass straight through a grunt's entire body. What purpose would the super-combine feature serve if it did that?

The whole design of Needle-based Covenant weaponry is to fire hard and sharp needles into soft targets. When the needle explodes it causes a lot of damage to soft tissue. If the needle rifle had AP qualities it would pass through soft materials, going against its purpose. It would also not be sticking 50%-75% out of "soft-targets"
Gameplay =/= canon, and where you get this:The whole design of Needle-based Covenant weaponry is to fire hard and sharp needles into soft targets.We have seen two needle weapons.

  • 09.17.2011 8:34 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

That's something that can't really be pinpointed. They've made it fit reasonably with an RTS, FPS's, and novels. I'm sure they're not all the same.

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