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Subject: The Importance of Helmets in Halo: Reach. (WALL OF TEXT)

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Posted by: BlackKnightKanos
Good read!

  • 11.09.2011 12:18 PM PDT

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Good read!

  • 11.13.2011 10:29 AM PDT
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I really liked your analysis of the subject dude.

  • 11.21.2011 11:07 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

Good read.

Perhaps this is how it is.

  • 11.21.2011 1:49 PM PDT

Wow, very good analysis. I like it.

  • 11.21.2011 3:30 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Good read! It's a shame that Bungie did not implement this clearer (if what you say is what they intended). Because in all honesty, I never felt any of this stuff from any of the characters. They all felt one-dimensional and dull to me.

Also, I disagree with the quote below. I think it is pretty obvious as to why Noble Six had to take off his helmet... his VISR breaking?

Posted by: CavemanBCE
At the end of the game, after the UNSC Pillar of Autumn makes the jump to Halo, Noble Six dies fighting an onslaught of sangheili warriors. He removes his helmet, and brings as many of the aliens with him as he can, signifying that the character of Noble Six is the player, who kills countless enemies. He dies after an elite stabs him, apparently in the face, with an energy blade.

  • 11.21.2011 4:54 PM PDT

nice analysis. things like that make the whole story of 'halo' interesting and i hope future halo games will maintain that.

  • 11.21.2011 11:00 PM PDT
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It's not that I'm crazy... It's just that, you're not as far out there as I am.

Good job. I agree and like it 100%

  • 11.21.2011 11:14 PM PDT

Great post, it's really well written!

My only grief with the campaign is that we didn't get more time to spend with the Spartans, to flesh them out further. I thought the interaction in the cutscene that Kat died in was absolutely superb. It really gave a feeling of team interconnectivity that was somewhat lacking in other parts of the story.

  • 11.21.2011 11:31 PM PDT

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A great read!

I really enjoyed the symbolism of the face/helmet.

  • 11.21.2011 11:54 PM PDT

You've been hit by a SMOOTH CRIMINAL!!

I agree very much in my opinion but I was really disappointed even though i knew that all the Noble members died. Even though the world was saved. Even though the world was saved they died :( .


P.S You could here Cortana or Kat at the end of the campaign after lone wolf watch it and youll hear

  • 11.22.2011 7:43 AM PDT

You've been hit by a SMOOTH CRIMINAL!!

I agree but we should of played that scene even if it was for 5 seconds it would have been cool in my opinion

  • 11.22.2011 7:45 AM PDT

Rasendori!

Good.
But did you post ALL this to justify a piece of armor?!

Well, let's see, Jorge just removed the helmet the first time to prove to Sara that he and the rest of the Noble unit were human, yes.
But in the second time, in the Corvette, he doesn't remove any barrier: He only removes it because he was going to die (Maybe.), so it was utterly useless.

That's the same case with Carter: He pilots the Pelican helmetless because his only function in the Pillar of Autumn mission is to send Emile and Six to the field. The only reason he died was because of the Scarab and maybe the heavy fire he was taking from the Phantom and the two Banshees.

As for Emile, the only reason he carved the skull was to look intimidating. Similar to the crests in Roman soldiers.
And he indeed lets most of his emotions out, but masked with humor.(Though not always: When firing the MAC Cannon, he will yell "THAT WAS FOR KAT!" or "THIS ONE'S FOR JORGE!")
He even does this when he was going to die. Once he kills one of the Elites, he mockingly screams "Who's next?!" as if threatening them once they saw what he did with that Zealot.

Noble Six does this too on Lone Wolf. Once your health bar is red, the visor of the Helm starts to shatter and your HUD does not appear anymore. Then, Six thought of the helm as useless, so why use it?

Almost every time they remove their helmets, it's because they won't be needed again. Therefore, they just throw it away.

Oh, and the Elite that killed Kat was a Field Marshall, not a Zealot.

  • 11.29.2011 2:07 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

Good read!

  • 11.29.2011 2:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Elite Zealot 22
Good.
But did you post ALL this to justify a piece of armor?!

Well, let's see, Jorge just removed the helmet the first time to prove to Sara that he and the rest of the Noble unit were human, yes.
But in the second time, in the Corvette, he doesn't remove any barrier: He only removes it because he was going to die (Maybe.), so it was utterly useless.

That's the same case with Carter: He pilots the Pelican helmetless because his only function in the Pillar of Autumn mission is to send Emile and Six to the field. The only reason he died was because of the Scarab and maybe the heavy fire he was taking from the Phantom and the two Banshees.

As for Emile, the only reason he carved the skull was to look intimidating. Similar to the crests in Roman soldiers.
And he indeed lets most of his emotions out, but masked with humor.(Though not always: When firing the MAC Cannon, he will yell "THAT WAS FOR KAT!" or "THIS ONE'S FOR JORGE!")
He even does this when he was going to die. Once he kills one of the Elites, he mockingly screams "Who's next?!" as if threatening them once they saw what he did with that Zealot.

Noble Six does this too on Lone Wolf. Once your health bar is red, the visor of the Helm starts to shatter and your HUD does not appear anymore. Then, Six thought of the helm as useless, so why use it?

Almost every time they remove their helmets, it's because they won't be needed again. Therefore, they just throw it away.

Oh, and the Elite that killed Kat was a Field Marshall, not a Zealot.


I don't think you understood the thread. My post is about the Spartans dropping the facade of invulnerable warrior-machines and being real people, and to do that, they remove their helmets and remind others around them, and the player, of their humanity.

Jorge removes his helmet at the end of LNOS and connects with Noble Six and the player, the audience. He's made the choice to die, he removes the helmet, he is human. He isn't the faceless, indestructible machine anymore.

Carter removes his helmet while piloting the Pelican when he relinquishes his identity as the stern, stoic, no-nonsense commander, using his remaining time to help Noble Six deliver the package.

I really don't know where you're going with the Emile part, sorry.

Noble Six is overwhelmed. Despite, as video game players do, vanquishing thousands of enemies, he falls. All players die eventually. He removes his helmet at the penultimate point in his final stand, and dies.

  • 12.01.2011 4:59 AM PDT
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This (and THIS) was for Reach...and/or Harvest

John's face remains obscured, dutifully for himself and his belief's.

He has never exposed his face out of context, he has never relinquished hope and accepted defeat, never to surrender, nor out of a loss of control. His survival instinct endures, as well as his 'luck' as Cortana puts it, and as such has not met his end.

Until all else is lost to him, everything and nothing is his, for when John's helmet- his true face- is removed, will death greet him, and he in return accept it.

  • 12.01.2011 5:34 AM PDT

Really fantastic read their. Good post! I agree with the statement about how John 117 is such a great surviving spartan because his extra caution of revealing his identity to the Marines on the ground; it gives him a sense of a indefeatable warrior.

  • 12.01.2011 5:56 AM PDT

play halo get kills

i like your post it was good

  • 12.01.2011 10:46 AM PDT

play halo get kills

after emile dies melee him

  • 12.01.2011 10:47 AM PDT

-V

That is why I don't want 343 to reveal John's face, it will take away some of the aspect of his character. But somehow I feel they will listen to the community and reveal it.

  • 12.01.2011 5:22 PM PDT

do we really want this thread turned into a reach is/isnt cannon thread? anyway great read I may now have to look out during the cutscenes more, thats what I love about bungies cutscenes they always put mor small details in them so we have something new to see everytime we replay the games

  • 12.01.2011 5:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Favorite
That is why I don't want 343 to reveal John's face, it will take away some of the aspect of his character. But somehow I feel they will listen to the community and reveal it.


They better not. I mean, by what the OP is saying, that is equivelent to death. Master Chief is basically a huge symbol for Faith, Hope, Bravery, Courage, ect, ect. If he dies, that would essentially be the UNSC losing all of those. He basically HAS to survive, the death of such an iconic character like Master Chief would be a bad move. The better thing would be letting him find actual peace while remianing alive. Or, you could reveal his face at the end of Halo 6 and have it symbolize death, but not the death of John, but the death of the constant conflict he has been in.

  • 12.01.2011 5:34 PM PDT

op you should post this on the 343 forums of halo reach or general halo discussion perhaps make a thread name that would dwell the inrests of 343 forum employees and see the reaction you get from them

  • 12.01.2011 5:40 PM PDT

Excellent work! This has been an amazing read, VERY informational. I completely agree with your analysis.

  • 12.03.2011 4:19 PM PDT

Love Bungie.

That's some good thinking, very smart text.

  • 12.03.2011 7:04 PM PDT