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Subject: The Importance of Helmets in Halo: Reach. (WALL OF TEXT)

Wow that actually made me look at helmets in an entirely different way and I never thought about that before. Good job! They try to get us to do this sort of thing in school but it's nice to see this sort of thing tied in with something that I find appealing for once.

  • 12.23.2011 5:24 PM PDT

Posted by: superiorarsenal

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That is why I don't want 343 to reveal John's face, it will take away some of the aspect of his character. But somehow I feel they will listen to the community and reveal it.


They better not. I mean, by what the OP is saying, that is equivelent to death. Master Chief is basically a huge symbol for Faith, Hope, Bravery, Courage, ect, ect. If he dies, that would essentially be the UNSC losing all of those. He basically HAS to survive, the death of such an iconic character like Master Chief would be a bad move. The better thing would be letting him find actual peace while remianing alive. Or, you could reveal his face at the end of Halo 6 and have it symbolize death, but not the death of John, but the death of the constant conflict he has been in.


That would be stupid and anti-climatic. John needs to die by fighting his ultimate enemy, his greatest challenge. Eventually John is beaten, has the better part of him taken, and defeated. John removes his helmet and we see the reflection of his struggle in the visor, but his face is just out of view, or we can only see the back of his head, as the enemy infinitely his greater, overcomes and defeats him. The last scene is of John's lifeless body, seen in the reflection of the visor.

The camera pans out as the steady rise and fall motion of his chest slows, and eventually stops. By this time the camera has pulled all the way out so that the final scene is of the helmet that symbolized his immortality.

  • 12.23.2011 5:45 PM PDT

If and when John-117 dies in the upcoming trilogy, I hope that they give him a fittingly heroic death, although I definitely don't want the "out with a bang" death that so many Halo characters have.

  • 12.23.2011 5:52 PM PDT

If John were to die, I would want him to be mortally wounded, but be alive long enough for an emotional goodbye. None of the whole 'I'm going to die but take you all with me' but something quiet. But then, Kurt's death was quite good even though it was a bit explosion filled death...

  • 12.23.2011 5:54 PM PDT

The "I'm going to die but take you all with me" death is so overplayed in this series.

  • 12.23.2011 6:14 PM PDT

It is, and I think it's that over-used ending that took away from Johnson's death, I just couldn't quite 'get' the cutscene when he died because I couldn't help but think "Oh that's like so and so's death".

  • 12.23.2011 6:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Grizzwizz
If John were to die, I would want him to be mortally wounded, but be alive long enough for an emotional goodbye. None of the whole 'I'm going to die but take you all with me' but something quiet. But then, Kurt's death was quite good even though it was a bit explosion filled death...


That is what meant with my post. Something symbolic, and Master Chief-ish, maybe with a role of some kind from Cortana, as her holographic hand reaches out to touch his armored one.

  • 12.23.2011 6:29 PM PDT


Posted by: CavemanBCE
The "I'm going to die but take you all with me" death is so overplayed in this series.


Killing the hero in stories/series like Halo is something way too overplayed and done to death to be quite honest >_> I'm hoping and looking for something more unique and/or clever from 343i than killing Chief off.

Great Journey anyone?

  • 12.24.2011 7:09 PM PDT

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: CavemanBCE
The "I'm going to die but take you all with me" death is so overplayed in this series.


Killing the hero in stories/series like Halo is something way too overplayed and done to death to be quite honest >_> I'm hoping and looking for something more unique and/or clever from 343i than killing Chief off.

Great Journey anyone?


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  • 12.25.2011 10:14 AM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: CavemanBCE
The "I'm going to die but take you all with me" death is so overplayed in this series.


Killing the hero in stories/series like Halo is something way too overplayed and done to death to be quite honest >_> I'm hoping and looking for something more unique and/or clever from 343i than killing Chief off.

Great Journey anyone?


Um I can recall far more stories of hero's living in some cheesy matter than them dying with a purpose. Not to mention if he lives there will be more games with him, which is milking. If you really Love halo you will want for him to die.

  • 12.25.2011 10:37 AM PDT
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not really though i admit id like to play as someone else i wouldnt want them to kill him off or if they did, do it in a book so there can be more of a story behind it and continue with someone else.

  • 12.25.2011 11:00 AM PDT
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good job with the post ive thought of the whole emotional human vs. ghostly hero but not with the armor being a symbol.

  • 12.25.2011 11:07 AM PDT

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Cracking read.

  • 12.25.2011 11:09 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: CavemanBCE
The "I'm going to die but take you all with me" death is so overplayed in this series.


Killing the hero in stories/series like Halo is something way too overplayed and done to death to be quite honest >_> I'm hoping and looking for something more unique and/or clever from 343i than killing Chief off.

Great Journey anyone?


Um I can recall far more stories of hero's living in some cheesy matter than them dying with a purpose. Not to mention if he lives there will be more games with him, which is milking. If you really Love halo you will want for him to die.


As long as he doesn't die by detonating some explosion that kills him and half a fleet of bad guys, I'll be alright. I want a fitting end for the Chief, and it could (although not likely and not easily) end without his death.

And thanks for the comments, chaps.

  • 12.26.2011 12:01 PM PDT

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You thought of this more then the writers.

  • 12.26.2011 12:33 PM PDT

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If they kill the chief off, they should make it so that after he dies, the marines come in and finish off the opponent, or maybe take his body and have a burial for him. If he dies, they should make it so that the marines end up seeing him, not as some kind of all powerful walking tank that where ever he goes a path of alien carcassas follow, but as a fellow soldier just trying to do his part.

  • 12.26.2011 3:04 PM PDT

Posted by: underwaterCOMIX
If they kill the chief off, they should make it so that after he dies, the marines come in and finish off the opponent, or maybe take his body and have a burial for him. If he dies, they should make it so that the marines end up seeing him, not as some kind of all powerful walking tank that where ever he goes a path of alien carcassas follow, but as a fellow soldier just trying to do his part.


I agree with this wholeheartedly.

  • 12.26.2011 3:12 PM PDT

good job man u explained that pretty good. i agree with it.

  • 12.27.2011 12:19 PM PDT

Greetings.

Those are some interesting points.
One thing I've noticed is helmets (particularly in Reach) seem to give characters an additional identity based on how they look.

For example, Kat's helmet looks distinctly feminine, even though it isn't necessarily meant to be. Emile's carved helmet is obviously a reflection on his attitude. It seems as if the helmet itself adopts a personality, and when a character is wearing their helmet it's that second personality that you generally see, not the human one.

  • 12.28.2011 2:56 PM PDT

I'm A DUUDE !

This If Off Topic ,

Doesn't keys look a lot younger in the Mission " Pillar of Autumn " in the one cut scence were you have to deliver the package to him ?

Or is it just cause the graphics are better than past games ?

One of my friends mentioned that , just asking aha

  • 01.02.2012 7:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: haloprincess123
This If Off Topic ,

Doesn't keys look a lot younger in the Mission " Pillar of Autumn " in the one cut scence were you have to deliver the package to him ?

Or is it just cause the graphics are better than past games ?

One of my friends mentioned that , just asking aha


Graphics, he looks just like in Reach in CEA.

  • 01.02.2012 8:06 PM PDT

Am I the only one who thinks Dr. Halsey is a b****?????

I think you can take one look at a spartans helmets and be able to know alot about them before they reveal their face (if they ever do). I just wish that the spartan 2's used more often, a variety of helmets instead of just the mk.VI. I think thats why we can relate to the spartan 3's more and why I feel more of a connection to the spartans of noble team more than i ever will with the master cheif.....

  • 01.03.2012 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: lou117ha
I think you can take one look at a spartans helmets and be able to know alot about them before they reveal their face (if they ever do). I just wish that the spartan 2's used more often, a variety of helmets instead of just the mk.VI. I think thats why we can relate to the spartan 3's more and why I feel more of a connection to the spartans of noble team more than i ever will with the master cheif.....


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  • 01.03.2012 4:03 PM PDT

Very interesting read... you though it through with details and makes good sense.

A few things however. Is removing the helmet something that is seen by the "camera" of the game (you the player) or can it be something that is hidden from sight of the camera. Why is this important? For example IE: Legends where John rescued Dr Halsey from the covenant. Most of his team died yes but his helmet was off with the rest of them and the camera did not see him yet we saw the rest of this teams faces. Although in this particular instance the camera isn't the player. Spartans are the greatest achievements of the human race yet the most inhumane creations we've made and they know it.

  • 01.04.2012 7:40 AM PDT