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Subject: Halo 4 - Reclamation: A Comprehensive Theory [MAJOR UPDATE 11/13/11]

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This actually makes a lot of sense... good job!

  • 11.15.2011 10:18 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4 - Reclamation: A Comprehensive Theory
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Now that i have actually read this i could say the entire post is wrong since frankie said forever ago that it isn't a shield world.


There is no reason for the didact to fight us nor would we have a defense for it. Infinity wouldn't be able to stand up to an actual forerunner ship. Not to mention there is no reason for him to fight us.

  • 11.15.2011 11:08 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4 - Reclamation: A Comprehensive Theory [MAJOR UPDATE 11/13/11]


Posted by: MickelPickel

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Just to let you know, the Forerunners have been confirmed alive for years now. Actually it was in the Encyclopedia, believe it or not, where it was said the Forerunners left the galaxy forever.

Will continue reading now.

Edit: just finished reading. Simply put, while well thought out, I do not agree with the enemy being the Forerunners for a few reasons.

Firstly, the fact they're no longer in this galaxy, they wouldn't be a threat to the humans in the Milky Way. As you haven't read the Encyclopedia, I can't blame you for not knowing that of course.

Second, the Great Journey is a real thing, Didact directly alludes to it in the Terminals saying "we will follow in their footsteps" referring, obviously, to the Precursors. Being the holders of the Mantle, the Great Journey seemed open to them but as the Covenant war suggested, not others. Wherever the Forerunners are, the Precursors are likely to be as well.

This leads into point 3, the Forerunners left the galaxy in shame, not in triumph. They left because they in part realized they were not worthy of upholding the Precursor's legacy, and they chose the humans as their inheritors. They were completely humbled by the experience of the Flood, they're not likely to retain much hatred, after getting destroyed utterly, towards humanity. Especially with the Precursors nearby.

4th, the thought the Master Chief can fight the Forerunners is ludicrous; their technology is waaay too powerful for the UNSC to have a hope in hell.

5th, and most importantly, the description of the game calls the Ancient Evil a threat to the entire universe. Forerunners are no threat to the universe itself, only the Precursors could be, which is why the prevailing theory is that the Primordial is the main antagonist, with an army of True Flood (that is to say, Flood in their most dangerous form).

And Forerunners are not evil, just misguided.

The rest seemed good, though a lot of what you called speculation I thought was common knowledge (like Medicant Bias sending the Chief to the Forerunners).


I have a question. . . what is the "true flood"? Do you mean pure forms? Why do people keeping on bringing this "army of true flood" up?

I don't understand.

Other than that, great read, very well thought out. As Roberto said though, I think threatening the universe is too big of a job for the forerunner, only the tier-0 precursors fit the description. The last image must be some sort of new species, which i believe you will encounter right off the bat in Halo 4, and the timeless one will be in the shadows for the first game.

I can't truly offer a rebuttal to the first 3 points you make Roberto. I simply do not have the knowledge or enough information to extrapolate on your points.

The fourth one, however, I can see as a possibility. Sentinel weaponry is, essentially, forerunner weaponry attached to machines. Master Chief was able to dispatch them with relative ease. The point could be made that the forerunner equipment encountered in fighting the forerunners would annihilate human weaponry by comparison. Which is true. But, in the similar situation of the H-C War, Humanity was outmatched, outgunned, and outnumbered. But they still managed to defeat Truth and the belligerents of the Covenant. Who is to say that a similar situation would not arise in a Human-Forerunner War?

I do agree that the Last Precursor/Primordial has a huge part in the series, but at least for the first game, he is lurking in the shadows. He doesn't need to be in the action to have a big impact on things: take Cryptum. It is implied that the Primordial is the true manipulator of Mendicant Bias. Being able to manipulate the most powerful AI the forerunners had created up until that point... does that seem like an easy task? It took 43 years for Mendicant to be swayed, but it still was done.

The Primordial, assuming he either an extreme power of suggestion or just the willpower to warp the minds of others, could, in some form, bring about a conflict between the Forerunners and Humans. I don't have much of a solid hypothesis as to how he did that; some details Primordium will elaborate on. But I do agree you Roberto.

The forerunners aren't evil. The Elites are not evil either. But that didn't stop them from almost wiping humanity from the face of the universe.

Just think though for someone that lives thousands of years (the timeless one) (the last precursor) 43 years isnt that long at all. especially to take controll of one of the most vital forerunner ais.


[Edited on 11.23.2011 5:28 AM PST]

  • 11.23.2011 5:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: MickelPickel
He literally did NOTHING to help the Chief in Halo 3.


I'm not sure about that - you remember the 'hallucinations' of Cortana at the end of the level 'The Covenant' that lead Chief to the magic Halo button? I wonder if Mendicant Bias didn't have a hand in that, as they are somewhat unlike the other Cortana 'moments', and even so - how would she have knowledge of where the button was? She couldn't have got it from the control room in CE as no data about the Ark would have been stored there, or at least what there was wouldn't have been detailed enough to tell her where the button was.

Also - i'm not sure there is any evidence to suggest that the Timeless One would be evil? I haven't read Cryptum yet though so...

[Edited on 11.23.2011 11:06 AM PST]

  • 11.23.2011 11:04 AM PDT

Very good and intresting theory. I haven´t read Cryptum yet so I would like to know why you didn´t say anything about Offensive Bias? Is it dead or alive? If anyone knows it, please tell me.

  • 11.23.2011 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sparhawke
Also - i'm not sure there is any evidence to suggest that the Timeless One would be evil? I haven't read Cryptum yet though so...


The dude lives in the Palace of Pain, sounds pretty evil to me.

  • 11.23.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Unggoy NL
Very good and intresting theory. I haven´t read Cryptum yet so I would like to know why you didn´t say anything about Offensive Bias? Is it dead or alive? If anyone knows it, please tell me.
"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those who gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor. And our answer is at hand."
-The Timeless One speaking to the Didact.

Sounds a tad malevolent if you ask me.

  • 11.23.2011 3:01 PM PDT
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Oh mah gawd. This is amazing. Must Read ALL the books and watch ALL the terminals NAO!

  • 11.23.2011 3:31 PM PDT

MCz

I have watched all of the Halo:CEA Terminals and they showed NOTHING about any form of connection between halo 3 and 4. If they did, please tell me.

  • 11.23.2011 3:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: mcz117chief
I have watched all of the Halo:CEA Terminals and they showed NOTHING about any form of connection between halo 3 and 4. If they did, please tell me.


You clearly don't know the lore then.

There were several subtle nudges.

  • 11.23.2011 4:10 PM PDT

Wonderful read. I'm sure you're mostly right. I'd say that the red-light monster in the H4 trailer is definitely a sphynx or something of that nature. Anyways, getting to the point --

I was wondering what theories you have about the mysterious crashed ship in HCE:A Terminal 6. I somehow doubt that it's forerunner. The general look of the ship, while having a seemingly complex interior seems... too basic to be Forerunner. Why would it crash, who was fighting it, and indeed, who is even worthy enough to deal that kind of damage to what I assume is an inconceivably high-tech vehicle?

Regards,
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  • 11.23.2011 11:16 PM PDT
Subject: Halo 4 - Reclamation: A Comprehensive Theory [MAJOR UPDATE 11/13/11]

MCz


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Posted by: mcz117chief
I have watched all of the Halo:CEA Terminals and they showed NOTHING about any form of connection between halo 3 and 4. If they did, please tell me.


You clearly don't know the lore then.

There were several subtle nudges.


Thanks for the answer, helped a lot :/

The only terminal that gives even a sliver of information not immediately connected to the CE is the 5th one.

[Edited on 11.24.2011 1:40 AM PST]

  • 11.24.2011 1:12 AM PDT

Professor Meowingtons for President

Starting off, I appreciate the effort you put into your main post. I noticed alot of the same clues you did and was wondering if anyone else had caught on. While I'd say you're generally on the right track with all of that, and I CAN imagine the Forerunners being the main enemy, consider my theory as well.

Bungie has now tossed around the "ancient enemy" phrase a few times: When describing Halo 4, by Guilty Spark in the Halo CEA Terminals, and in Cryptum. While it could be a coincidence, I've seen too many instances of Bungie using symbolism (like the Shield World symbols, nice catch btw) not to pay attention. In each instance (besides the Halo 4 description) the reference to "ancient enemy" has referred to the Humans. However, I don't mean the humans of modern day UNSC and such. You have to step back and look at it from the perspective of the Forerunners and Guilty Spark. The former human empire of 100,000 years ago is the "ancient enemy" they refer to.

Now, we know that empire was beaten down and de-evolved by the Forerunners. We also know that Chakas and Riser are among the few that remain, and in Cryptum were on their way to rediscovering their lost memories and I daresay their intelligence, to a certain extent. While we won't know their final resting place until Primordium and after, I theorize that the humans (and probably a small group of Forerunners) survived the cataclysm. More than likely, they, or some of them, inhabit the mysterious planet that the Master Chief is headed towards. And I must note that although Frankie may have mentioned that it is not a Shield World, he has been known to change big things about the plot midway through production.

While I'm only leaving room for a few humans/Forerunners to survive, think about the time allowed to flourish. Once we on Earth evolved to our current state, it only took a few thousand years of civilization to reach the stars. Imagine Chakas/Riser and whoever else they had, already being evolved and on their way to recovering their memories/intelligence, and then give them 100,000 years. They could easily have a new empire out there on the galactic rim and we would be none-the-wiser. While I'm throwing out completely outrageous guesses, I would also bet that if this is true, the Didact and possibly the Librarian were so fed up with Forerunners that they either let this other humanity have their way and spread or they went into a sort of suspended animation (I DO think the Didact will play some role in H4).

One last note: the crashed ship mentioned in the terminals on Halo CEA is probably human as well. Note the gasses being leaked matched the Halo environment perfectly, which we know to be a nearly perfect replica of Earth's environment/atmosphere. Given that the ship doesn't really look "Forerunner" either, I'd say there's a good chance its from the older Human culture. And, if you notice that the year date at the beginning of the terminal puts it several tens of thousands of years after the Halo cataclysm, that would mean that the humans have advanced far enough to build such a ship (proving my theory at least partially correct).

Either way, I think either your or my theory will be pretty close to the truth. Can't wait to find out. Let me know your thoughts.

  • 11.24.2011 1:32 AM PDT

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I love your human theory, but one of the Terminals, 3 I think, already shows one or two human ships. The ship that crashed looks nothing like a human ship, but you bring up an interesting point concerning the atmospheric similarities. I would just like to point out that Sagnhelios, and most of the other planets in the covenant empire have similar, if not identical atmospheres to the halo installations, Earth, and each other's planets respectively. The number of similar atmospheres is too many to be a simple coincidence. I might buy that prophets, brutes, and elites breathe the same air as us, but several other races points to some kind of common point of origin.

Also, someone else brought up the theory that Mendicant Bias may be inhabiting part of Cortana. I storongly believe in the thory, and it's pinned right on the Top forum topic under "Halo 4, in plain sight"

[Edited on 11.25.2011 1:29 PM PST]

  • 11.24.2011 10:24 AM PDT

yas334229812

I believe the ship may be the reason of the outbreak on the second halo.
Maybe it was through this invasion the halo fell.

But 343 may have been lucky if it failed in tge attack

  • 11.24.2011 11:04 AM PDT

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firedune,

Thanks for the thoughtful criticisms. I'm starting to buy into the Mendicant Bias/Cortana talk as well...I can't imagine him not playing a part in the new series.

As for the crashed ship: could you send me the link to where the one or two human ships were shown in the terminals? All I saw in Terminal 3 was a Covenant ship. To my knowledge, no one knows what a human ship from the ancient empire looks like. Also, just for argument's sake, even if we did know the layout of one 100,000 years ago, it stands to be reasoned that the crashed ship (of only about 40,000 years ago, if my logic serves me) could be completely different. But who knows.

As for the atmosphere, you're spot on with the 'no coincidence' talk. It seems like everyone except grunts can breath our particular mix of atmosphere....weird. However, if I were to assume for story's sake, I'd say that the crashed ship leaking our atmosphere probably isn't a rogue Elite, Prophet, Jackal, Drone, Brute, or Engineer Ship: it just doesn't fit the overall plot you know? Only a human or forerunner ship really fits.

Either way, there's also a good chance that the inhabitants were hit by the Halo array and their ship drifted through space until crashing on Installation 4 (where it was probably already headed, considering the odds of crashing into it otherwise). Once again, the evidence points very much to human/forerunner from ancient times. I'm just going with human because I choose to :)

  • 11.24.2011 5:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

That ship isn't made by any race we know of, all ancient humans are dead by that point, 343 would know if the ship was human, that ship was created post array.

  • 11.24.2011 5:37 PM PDT


Posted by: dIrKtAsTiCaL
firedune,


Either way, there's also a good chance that the inhabitants were hit by the Halo array and their ship drifted through space until crashing on Installation 4 (where it was probably already headed, considering the odds of crashing into it otherwise).


That's quite interesting.

  • 11.25.2011 11:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: dIrKtAsTiCaL
firedune,


Either way, there's also a good chance that the inhabitants were hit by the Halo array and their ship drifted through space until crashing on Installation 4 (where it was probably already headed, considering the odds of crashing into it otherwise).


That's quite interesting.
I agree. I like that theory because it simply makes sense. What are the odds of a ship managing to find its way to a Halo Installation so precisely?

But from a storytelling perspective, the ship would then not really serve any purpose unless it ties together with ideas yet to be seen. Without a real reason to exist in a story, it is either filler for the terminals, or just a mcguffin to show the loneliness 343 Guilty Spark feels.

Either way, that is some good insight.

  • 11.25.2011 8:11 PM PDT

This was a fantastic read. For the most part I found myself really believing it. You have some amazing points that I see could be real. Great job my friend :) I solute you!

  • 11.26.2011 6:09 AM PDT
Subject: Halo 4 - Reclamation: A Comprehensive Theory

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This really makes me wish I read the terminals in Halo 3.

  • 11.26.2011 2:59 PM PDT

Is it possible that the Last Precursor sent the original Spherical Flood Powder ships to the Galaxy, sparking the original war with the Flood, ultimately leading to the galaxy being purged of all life? As revenge maybe? Just something I thought of just now.

  • 11.27.2011 9:19 PM PDT

I'm calling it. It's the Xenomorphs.

  • 11.30.2011 12:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Favorite
This really makes me wish I read the terminals in Halo 3.

  • 12.04.2011 12:10 PM PDT

*Pew pew pew* <(0.o)>||==^ -(x.x)

Just throwing out there. The forerunners might not be enemies but allies in the next one. I forget where but an interview (I think IGN) said that Master Chiefs armor will be a little different. They don't exactly say why but I'm just throwing out the wild notion that the forerunners improved his armor with their tech to battle the unknown enemy they may be facing. Just a random idea but not something to entirely dismiss.

  • 12.04.2011 2:43 PM PDT

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