- Mikelp_1
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Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.
Posted by: Myth iZ
Posted by: Mikelp_1
The time that the TL method is used doesn't matter when you look at the fixed interval from Private-Inheritor. Despite the fact that the method when done at an early level makes it easier to get to a later level making the increase in payouts occur, there are still many other methods of getting a fixed number of credits to give the same "boost" to rank which weigh out the effect of the TL method.
If I started the game and did a challenge worth 25k, would it make any difference? Is that illegitimate too, since I am a new player? Do I need to hit a certain rank to make getting that challenge legitimate? Inversely, once 25k means very little, is "boosting" with the TL justified since, as you said those 25k cR "aren't a big deal *now*" ?
The fact that there are many opportunities for new ranks to acquire a fixed amount of cR that give a substantial boost to their rank progression comparatively renders the TL method meaningless.
Regardless of that entire argument: It IS legitimate because Bungie has stated that it isn't a bannable offense!
If I had a stack of papers that needed to be bound together and a stapler in front of me, I could:
A) bind the stack using my hands to puncture a hole and apply the staple.
B)*easier* use a stapler to staple the papers together.
One is far more efficient, don't ya think? When a golden opportunity sticks out in front of your face and there are NO consequences to said opportunity, it would probably be, as you say, "absolutely idiotic" to not take it.
Thank you for making sense and at least comprehending what I'm saying. The rest of these fools have me convinced Halo/Bungie/343 is working with a populace with an 8th grade education level at best.
The only argument I have with what you said is the fact that campaign farming WAS looked down upon 10 months ago the same as farming kills in BTB and other Objective Games is right now, and it was looked down on for a reason. Because it's shady, and it's abusing the game. It's not playing the game in the fashion that it was meant to be played. It's flat out lame.
So just like these dudes sporting 6 K/D spreads from holding the objective in multiplayer are getting laughed at, so are the campaign farmers from a year ago.
Because they cheated a year ago doesn't mean it's wiped off the slate now when they can pay it all back in a day vs the month they'd have needed in October of 2010.
Furthermore, Bungie hasn't said a word about kill farming in BTB or Objective Games but the community laughs at those that engage in it, right? So who cares what Bungie has to say, lol.
Finally, if a Private wants to go ahead and kill 300 dudes with Precision Weapons this week for 28k Cr, kudos to him. At least he earned it the right way by playing the game the way it's meant to be played. This isn't a Golden Opportunity (your analogy) and it's not robbing the bank to start the business (my analogy). It's playing the game.
Kill farming and such is frowned upon, but it isn't illegitimate. The same can be said about spawnkilling, camping, power weapon whoring, etc...: the community "laughs at those that engage in it" and thousands of files/messages/threads consist of pure hatred for people that do this. What are these strategies? Methods that tend to work when people:
1) gain an insane amount of map control due to more skill and teamwork
2) are able to block off certain areas and constantly attract idiots to their death
3) good sense of timing and map/spawn knowledge.
For every community issue, like the ones stated above, there is normally an argument that can justify it and it normally depends on how much people care about certain aspects in the game (my best example is K/D). In terms of kill farming, it is considered "cheating" or "cheap" only because it is frustrating for the losers.
If people weren't so attached to their K/D, these scenarios would be less of an issue to people. When I am stuck in one of the situations where people spawnkill, farm kills via objective holding, etc... against my team (I search BTB randoms....it happens to me...a lot...) I get insanely frustrated, but I never hold it against the other team as an illegal action because it isn't defined as such by the game, they are just semi-selfish. To them, there are free kills running around helplessly like chickens with their heads cut off, so why not squeeze a few more points towards their KD out? The only downside is that a few butthurt kids will rage, but it won't hurt them (unless they are REALLY unstable people, in which case, they shouldn't be playing competitive games if it has insanely negative effects on them).
In the TL's case, the way to justify it is that there is nothing but positive outcomes from doing the method, it hurts no one, and it sits right in your face. So why not?
Also: Lets say that the challenge is something like a LASO one instead of the Precision Weapons one. What if that new player simply stays back and lets a better teammate carry them? They get an easy 15k-20k for doing nothing, but just having good friends. There are many challenges that can easily be awarded for doing absolutely nothing or things that are relatively simple/mundane things, so they really equate to mindlessly pointing a super weapon at hordes of enemies and reverting to checkpoints: both of these require nothing but the person's time and patience.