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Subject: Differences between S-II and S-III
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Here is the proof for the reaction time. which you have ignored over and over and over and over and over

The S-III Reaction boost was stated to be 300%. This is not a prediction, as the same bioaugmentations had been preformed on humans with similar genes before and got the results. human reaction time is 0.28 seconds(Not the stupid catch a ruler one, I'm talking a ligit test). A 300% boost would be 0.09 seconds about.

THe S-IIs were stated by Mendez in TFoR to have a 20 millisecond reaction time(0.02 seconds). 0.02 is faster than 0.09 by 4.5x(450%) and faster than average Human reaction time by 14x(1400%)


What other proof do you want? It is YOU who is not providing evidence.

  • 09.19.2011 10:33 PM PDT
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If a Spartan-II can wear SPI Armor, why can't a Spartan-III wear MJOLNIR?

  • 09.19.2011 10:58 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
Here is the proof for the reaction time. which you have ignored over and over and over and over and over

The S-III Reaction boost was stated to be 300%. This is not a prediction, as the same bioaugmentations had been preformed on humans with similar genes before and got the results. human reaction time is 0.28 seconds(Not the stupid catch a ruler one, I'm talking a ligit test). A 300% boost would be 0.09 seconds about.

THe S-IIs were stated by Mendez in TFoR to have a 20 millisecond reaction time(0.02 seconds). 0.02 is faster than 0.09 by 4.5x(450%) and faster than average Human reaction time by 14x(1400%)


What other proof do you want? It is YOU who is not providing evidence.


No, your proof does not state that. It states WHAT THE AUGMENTATION WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

Just like with S2's. You translate that as "hard facts" when there is a major lack of information between the two spartan programs.

I infact looked at the books description of the augmentations(for spartan III's), and they mention no numbers at all.

So, what are your basis for assuming that Spartan III's ONLY got a 300% increase as opposed to the Spartan II's? The label on the item?

If we go by the graph of halopedia, it grants Spartan III's 'spartan time', which is the insane reaction time periods Spartan II's get.

  • 09.19.2011 11:29 PM PDT

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Although there were some differences, the augmentations for the two were very similar. All information from this page comes from Ghosts of Onyx, read the footnotes.

The Spartan III's tripled their reflexes + Increase strength.

The Spartan II's tripled their reflexes + Increased strength, BUT due to their superior natural DNA, the effects of the augmentations increased dramatically as they grew older. Like past 1000%.
I read this in one of the novels, but I can't remember which one and I can't provide a source. Sorry :/

[Edited on 09.20.2011 12:04 AM PDT]

  • 09.19.2011 11:37 PM PDT
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1) Yes, it states what the augmentations(For the S-IIIs) is supposed to do. They have already had at least one other class that had the same bio-augmentations. The exception to this is S-IIIs like NOBLE Team. They had the genes that the S-IIs did, causing the augmentations to have a greater effect. Someone, I don't know if it was you or someone else, posted the quote of Kurt saying so. So how come these S-II quality S-IIIs were taken out because they preformed better under the augmentations if S-IIIs and S-IIs are physical identicals?

2)A major lack of information? It clearly says 300% increase in S-II augmentations. However, they recieved a 1400% increase. I proved this with basic math. Get over it.

3)And yet you claim the S-III augmentations are the same. If they are the same, then they get a 300% increase due to the lack of specifically requested gene-types(Except NOBLE Team).

4)Yes, when that label is a very carefully calculated and obsereved medical statistic for a super-soldier project that billions of dollars are being spent on and the collabaration of top civilian and military scientists.

5)Halopedia is not a credable source. give me the proof they used to get that, then we talk.

  • 09.19.2011 11:46 PM PDT

Spartan II's are bigger/stronger physically

Spartan III's are weaker (compare SII and SIII) but they're still augmented.

Whenever they went on suicide missions, they got SPI, unless it was a different situation, in which they got MJOLNIR (Noble Team for example)

  • 09.20.2011 2:00 AM PDT
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this is stupid Spartan I's beat both

  • 09.20.2011 7:14 AM PDT

Go in...kill....then.....TEA BAG!!!


Posted by: UphillMercury31

Posted by: PlasmaSnake893
Bungie cheated when creating S-IIIs for Halo: Reach.

Original canon: S-IIIs can't use power armor
Bungie on Halo Reach: Hey, let's give S-IIIs power armor.


They are fully capable of using MJOLNIR, but the cost of one set of armour is comparable to a small starship.
this......... i think it was cole protocal but when that happened there were some 900 spartan 3's in that conflict (correct me if im wrong) and only 2 survived. imagine mass producing MJOLNIR armor to 900 spartans that each suit cost a small starship which probably costs trillions of dollars (american standard money) it would've completly dry the UNSC resources. sure they probably most of them would've survived but the consenquenses were far greater. plus they were pawns in the war and every spartan 3 (not as well trained as spartan 2's) were sent on missions where the survival rate was less then 50%

  • 09.20.2011 7:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jgordon14
this is stupid Spartan I's beat both
sgt. johnson. the only spartan to have a unlimited spartan laser that could kill anything even john. and the only thing that could kill him was a floating ball.

  • 09.20.2011 7:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Plasma, ideas do not = rules. It has never been stated Spartan III's could not use MJOLNIR, nor that specialized teams didn't use it in place of SPI.

Once again, I'm so sorry for loosely using the word "rules". "Choose your own adventure" to pick a word more suitable if you don't like it.

I'm also not arguing they were physically incapable of using MJOLNIR. I already stated I incorrectly recalled that piece of information.

It was also never stated specialized teams did use anything but SPI. All I am saying is that Bungie created this exception when they needed it, and I don't think you should go around creating exceptions for things just because you can. In my opinion, that is sloppy storytelling.

I've already recanted my statement that S-IIIs are physically incapable of using MJOLNIR. My only problem now is that I don't think Bungie mindfully made the decision the have these particular S-IIIs use MJOLNIR, and instead made the decision more impulsively as a way to create a convenient hybrid of S-IIs and ODSTs. Also, the fact that no standard S-IIIs have even been shown in any games, including Reach, makes me think that Bungie was taking advantage of the fact most fans haven't actually read the books and thus wouldn't know the difference anyway.

I like Halo, and I like Bungie. But after having time to reflect on Reach and listening to Bungie's attitude towards the game on the Podcast and ViDocs, I simply found them to be a bit arrogant this time around. So forgive me if I am a bit cynical in the way I interpret Bungie's decisions.

But quite honestly, I don't care about this argument. It's not really the biggest problem in the world (or that I have with Reach) that these S-IIIs are using MJOLNIR (which, once again, I'm pretty sure I've already stated).

No, "S-IIIs can't/won't use power armor, ever" was not explicitly stated.

[Edited on 09.20.2011 8:49 PM PDT]

  • 09.20.2011 8:41 PM PDT

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anywayyyy, despite all the arguing, even their augmentations were watered down. it says so in the book that everything they get is a watered down budget version.Mental conditioning, Training, AND augmentations, were watered down budget stuff in order to REDUCE the fatality rate of augmentation, and whatnot. So in the end spartan 3's Are not only alot BIGGER they are physically more capable in every way. Reaction time, strength, Speed, and mental strength are all higher. If the augmentations were the exact same as the spartan 2's then that would defeat the purpose of it being a special budget operation.

so Ill try to give a good representation on how i understand the haloverse with SKILL POINTS

Spartan 2:
Str:10
spd:10
dex:9
int:8(varies)
tech:10
skl:10
EXP:10
mental:10

Spartan 3:
str:8
spd:8
dex:8
int:8(varies)
tech:5
skl:8
EXP:5
mental:6

Spartan 1(johnson):
Str:6
Spd:5
dex:7
int:6
Tech:3
skl:8
EXP:10
mental:7 (he apparently had PTSD)

ODST:
Str:3
spd:4
dex:7
int:4
tech:3
Skl:7
EXP:9
mental:7

Marine:
Str:3
spd:3
dex:6
int:4
tech:3
skl:5
EXP:4(varies of course as experience as just a marine is all over the place)
mental:3 (oh god what are those things I DONT WANNA BECOME ONE OF THOSE THINGS MAN -puts gun to head-)

--And just for fun, and or reference.

Civilian:
STR:1-2
spd:1-3
dex:1-2
int:1-4(Halsey would be 10+, anders, etc)
tech:1
skl:1
exp:1
mental:1

Anyone is welcome to add input or insight, But i think this is a fairly accurate representation, although mental stat is more so up for debate.

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  • 09.20.2011 9:43 PM PDT

Oops. I think I just lost your mind.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=66024471

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  • 09.20.2011 9:46 PM PDT

Faceless, the armor was the real cut of price, nothing else.

The augmentations were improved by medical advances, making them easier to apply, less likely to deform the person, and cheaper. In no way EVER has it been started Spartan 3 augmentations were 'watered down'

The training is labeled as better for S3's in truth, Kurt describes it as being tougher then S2 training I believe.

  • 09.20.2011 9:53 PM PDT

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http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=66024471

^ Thank you for referencing my thread, I was about to do the same. <3

[Edited on 09.20.2011 9:54 PM PDT]

  • 09.20.2011 9:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Faceless, the armor was the real cut of price, nothing else.

The augmentations were improved by medical advances, making them easier to apply, less likely to deform the person, and cheaper. In no way EVER has it been started Spartan 3 augmentations were 'watered down'

The training is labeled as better for S3's in truth, Kurt describes it as being tougher then S2 training I believe.



Fair enough, However the training was said to be tougher because it was shorter. (they deplaoyed the spartan 3's at an extremly young age.)

  • 09.20.2011 10:50 PM PDT
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Master Chief and Noble 6

  • 09.21.2011 6:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Spartan II's and Spartan III's are basically the same.There are almost no major differences between them except for budget, equipment and experience.

Give a Spartan III the same equipment, the same ammount of combat experience, and I have no doubt in my mind, they could perform equally or even better than the Spartan II's.

  • 09.21.2011 9:14 AM PDT


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http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=66024471


Good thread. So I now know that II were physical superior my other qusetion is do II grow bigger than III or do they both grow to the same sizes regardless of which one had better roids?

  • 09.21.2011 1:32 PM PDT

I'm Hungry

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=66024471
read it and it tells u why noble had power armor

  • 09.21.2011 2:40 PM PDT

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