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Subject: Master Chief vs. Noble Six

Common sense tells us from the above info that Noble Six >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>> POWNS MC

  • 12.22.2011 2:06 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
The simple fact that Noble Six gets better equipment than Master Chief warrants Six an easy victory. MC fans if you don't believe me, go back and look at the Armory... There's at least 2,000% more equipment there than Master Chief has ever had access to in the entirety of the original Halo trilogy.

Master Chief can't win, its impossible.


Are you trolling? 6 does not have "better equipment" than chief.


Are YOU trolling? Kind sir I humbly request you... take a gander: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100918222637/halo/ima ges/e/e5/SBgJn.jpg

That is what Noble Six has access to at all times during Halo: Reach.

What does 117 have access to in a total of three games?

this.

Thus, we can come to the consensus that you were the one trolling grey.


And how, pray tell, do you know that Chief has no access to other armor options at all throughout the Trilogy or any of his many and numerous other military campaigns? As we saw in Legends, other Spartan IIs have access to different armory pieces (Daisy wearing the CQB helmet and Kelly wearing the EVA). Just because he chooses not to wear anything but plain old Mark V or VI does not mean he has no other options available.

Another thing, all of those are just pieces of armor, most (if not all) of them don't even really do anything, they're not like the AAs where each one gives a different ability or anything. They're just pieces of armor no more advanced than Mark V/VI and no less advanced.

And no, Six would not have access to all that armor at all times on Reach, she's not lugging around a big pack carrying it all, and more than half your missions in Reach are off in the middle of nowhere with very little time to change armor in between missions (from a reality perspective anyway).

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
The simple fact that Noble Six gets better equipment than Master Chief warrants Six an easy victory. MC fans if you don't believe me, go back and look at the Armory... There's at least 2,000% more equipment there than Master Chief has ever had access to in the entirety of the original Halo trilogy.

Master Chief can't win, its impossible.


Are you trolling? 6 does not have "better equipment" than chief.


Are YOU trolling? Kind sir I humbly request you... take a gander: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100918222637/halo/ima ges/e/e5/SBgJn.jpg

That is what Noble Six has access to at all times during Halo: Reach.

What does 117 have access to in a total of three games?

this.

Thus, we can come to the consensus that you were the one trolling grey.


AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

are you really serious? That is gameplay.

  • 12.22.2011 10:10 AM PDT

GhostRider

Still picking the Master Chief. Hence he survives in the end.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
The simple fact that Noble Six gets better equipment than Master Chief warrants Six an easy victory. MC fans if you don't believe me, go back and look at the Armory... There's at least 2,000% more equipment there than Master Chief has ever had access to in the entirety of the original Halo trilogy.

Master Chief can't win, its impossible.


Are you trolling? 6 does not have "better equipment" than chief.


Are YOU trolling? Kind sir I humbly request you... take a gander: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100918222637/halo/ima ges/e/e5/SBgJn.jpg

That is what Noble Six has access to at all times during Halo: Reach.

What does 117 have access to in a total of three games?

this.

Thus, we can come to the consensus that you were the one trolling grey.


What is wrong with you? That is not far better equipment, it is various adaptations of the base MJOLNIR Mark V, which is outclassed by the Mark VI armor you posted fot Chief. Those pieces are designed for specialist work, like EOD, Recon, ect. Besides slight edges (and probably drawbacks in other areas) in those specific fields of expertise, they are exactly the same as the regular MJOLNIR Mark V. THe Mark VI you posted for Master Chief boasts 2x the shielding and 5x the armor density of any one of those Mark V varients. Also take note that the base MJOLNIR would be the most well rounded, exactly what Master Chief would want.

  • 12.22.2011 6:36 PM PDT

Master Chief can whoop Noble Six's ass with his eyes closed.

  • 12.22.2011 6:41 PM PDT

To all above me. No, they are not simple 'add-ons', they have an in-depth description of what each armor component does. For example, this is the explanation of the GUNGNIR helmet.

"The GUNGNIR helmet is boxy and comes with more facial protection than any other helmet as it fully covers the front of the head and it replaces the usage of a visor with a small camera on the left that displays the outside to the user. The plating on the helmet takes the secondary armor color, with visor color only determining the color of the plating's video camera "eye". It bears a white stripe running down the right side with the Norse symbol for Gungnir in the center."

Now from this alone, we can draw the cunclusion that, with this helmet equipped, Six would have a massive advantage in close quarter's combat. I am sure SPARTANS are strong enough to punch through glass, we can all agree I am sure. What good is all that strength, when you have no glass to punch through? Eh? One well-placed strike from Six, straight through Chief's face, and he's out. If Master Chief were to go for Six's face, his only real vital point assuming they were to both have equipped Mark V armor at the time, he would hit nothing but metal.

Two upgrades are available for the helmet, the first adds a Hardened Uplink/Remote Sensor Package on the left side (HU/RS), and the second adds a Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear Module with a Hardened Uplink/Remote Sensor Package on the right side (incorrectly not mentioned) (CBRN, should be CBRN/HU/RS).

This would also give Six a staggering advantage. The remote sensor does what the motion sensor never could, tracks targets whether they are moving or not, the motion sensor only tracks moving targets, putting Chief at a disadvantage since he has none of these. This would make it impossible for Master Chief to get the drop on Six, meaning his only course of action would be to engage him in direct combat, which brings me back to my previous point above. The second upgrade further increases this advantage.

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Let's look at another piece of armor, shall we? This is the description of the CQC armor, also available to Noble Six, by default in all actuality.

The MJOLNIR CQC variant was the first of its kind to aid and improve the Spartans' effectiveness in close quarters combat. The armor is designed for tactical, short range battles in urban areas, and as such the CQC variant offers an improved field of visibility and heavy ballistic protection. In addition, numerous sections of the helmet supports open-port conversion - this allows the user to add any type of compatible module to the helmet to further improve functionality, allowing a Spartan to adapt to changing mission conditions on the fly. The CQC's heavy pauldrons allow a soldier to swiftly and lethally close the gap between an enemy combatant despite being under fire. The CQC can be utilized for both military operations on urban terrain (MOUT) and boarding operations aboard ships which are comprised of tight, enclosed spaces
Despite being surpassed by the CQB in overall integration, the CQC variant still retained popularity well after its production ceased. Many still prefer CQC's less traditional open-port conversion system to allow ad-hoc modification. Some Spartans continue to use CQC instead of the newer CQB because of the versatility the CQC provides.


From the information above, we can come to the conclusion, that Noble Six, with the advantage of this equipment, would -blam!- Master Chief, without the advantage of this equipment. The longer Master Chief refuses to add some versatility to his armor, the worse it is going to be, and I don't see Master Chief getting original any time soon. -peers over at 343-

Another example, in this case, even if Master Chief were to get his hands on a Rocket Launcher, he'd still have a hard time:

The MJOLNIR/EOD variant was created at the UNSC Damascus Materials Testing Facility on Chi Ceti 4. The helmet was designed to channel the pressure wave of a nearby detonation around the user's head, significantly reducing the likelihood of decapitation in the event of an explosion. The MJOLNIR/EOD variant's pauldrons and chest plate were designed specifically to reduce the number of grabbing edges on the armor, decreasing the likelihood of dismemberment and protecting SPARTANs during operations that involve the handling of explosive ordnance (e.g., clearing/planting land mines, demolishing enemy structures/material and, or planting/defusing bombs).

You see, for just about any tactic, any strategy that Master Chief comes up with, Noble Six has a counter, a solution. This is a battle I just simply don't see him winning.

Let's get a little bit more creative still:

"While the Mark V MJOLNIR armor is designed to operate in a wide variety of combat situations, the UA/Multi-Threat configuration provides SPARTANs with additional offensive and defensive capabilities across all combat scenarios. The chestpiece's lightweight design allows for maximum freedom of movement while the standard MJOLNIR defense systems augment the superhuman prowess for which the SPARTANs are known."

This in and of itself would warrant an easy win for whoever uses it. Argue all you want, but Master Chief's luck wouldn't do diddly--blam!- for him in this situation.

Let's not forget the wide assortment of different UA attachments available to Noble Six; any combination of which would give him a staggering advantage over Chief in... just about any combat scenario.

List of UA Attachments

As well as at least several dozen other options available to Noble Six. Until Master Chief wises up, gets off his high horse, and takes into consideration the other options available to his armor, he is going to lose. Period.

Does this quench your thirst for an intelligent debate, or am I going to have to bring in Armor Abilities as well?

Oh, and don't try pulling that 'OH WELL DATZ GAEMPLEZ' bull-blam!-, because thats what it is, bull-blam!-. The Armor Abilities are canon. Look it up:

Portable Jump-Jet

[Edited on 12.23.2011 2:01 AM PST]

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
To all above me. No, they are not simple 'add-ons', they have an in-depth description of what each armor component does. For example, this is the explanation of the GUNGNIR helmet.

"The GUNGNIR helmet is boxy and comes with more facial protection than any other helmet as it fully covers the front of the head and it replaces the usage of a visor with a small camera on the left that displays the outside to the user. The plating on the helmet takes the secondary armor color, with visor color only determining the color of the plating's video camera "eye". It bears a white stripe running down the right side with the Norse symbol for Gungnir in the center."

Now from this alone, we can draw the cunclusion that, with this helmet equipped, Six would have a massive advantage in close quarter's combat. I am sure SPARTANS are strong enough to punch through glass, we can all agree I am sure. What good is all that strength, when you have no glass to punch through? Eh? One well-placed strike from Six, straight through Chief's face, and he's out. If Master Chief were to go for Six's face, his only real vital point assuming they were to both have equipped Mark V armor at the time, he would hit nothing but metal.

Two upgrades are available for the helmet, the first adds a Hardened Uplink/Remote Sensor Package on the left side (HU/RS), and the second adds a Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear Module with a Hardened Uplink/Remote Sensor Package on the right side (incorrectly not mentioned) (CBRN, should be CBRN/HU/RS).

This would also give Six a staggering advantage. The remote sensor does what the motion sensor never could, tracks targets whether they are moving or not, the motion sensor only tracks moving targets, putting Chief at a disadvantage since he has none of these. This would make it impossible for Master Chief to get the drop on Six, meaning his only course of action would be to engage him in direct combat, which brings me back to my previous point above. The second upgrade further increases this advantage.

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Let's look at another piece of armor, shall we? This is the description of the CQC armor, also available to Noble Six, by default in all actuality.

The MJOLNIR CQC variant was the first of its kind to aid and improve the Spartans' effectiveness in close quarters combat. The armor is designed for tactical, short range battles in urban areas, and as such the CQC variant offers an improved field of visibility and heavy ballistic protection. In addition, numerous sections of the helmet supports open-port conversion - this allows the user to add any type of compatible module to the helmet to further improve functionality, allowing a Spartan to adapt to changing mission conditions on the fly. The CQC's heavy pauldrons allow a soldier to swiftly and lethally close the gap between an enemy combatant despite being under fire. The CQC can be utilized for both military operations on urban terrain (MOUT) and boarding operations aboard ships which are comprised of tight, enclosed spaces
Despite being surpassed by the CQB in overall integration, the CQC variant still retained popularity well after its production ceased. Many still prefer CQC's less traditional open-port conversion system to allow ad-hoc modification. Some Spartans continue to use CQC instead of the newer CQB because of the versatility the CQC provides.


From the information above, we can come to the conclusion, that Noble Six, with the advantage of this equipment, would -blam!- Master Chief, without the advantage of this equipment. The longer Master Chief refuses to add some versatility to his armor, the worse it is going to be, and I don't see Master Chief getting original any time soon. -peers over at 343-

Another example, in this case, even if Master Chief were to get his hands on a Rocket Launcher, he'd still have a hard time:

The MJOLNIR/EOD variant was created at the UNSC Damascus Materials Testing Facility on Chi Ceti 4. The helmet was designed to channel the pressure wave of a nearby detonation around the user's head, significantly reducing the likelihood of decapitation in the event of an explosion. The MJOLNIR/EOD variant's pauldrons and chest plate were designed specifically to reduce the number of grabbing edges on the armor, decreasing the likelihood of dismemberment and protecting SPARTANs during operations that involve the handling of explosive ordnance (e.g., clearing/planting land mines, demolishing enemy structures/material and, or planting/defusing bombs).

You see, for just about any tactic, any strategy that Master Chief comes up with, Noble Six has a counter, a solution. This is a battle I just simply don't see him winning.

Let's get a little bit more creative still:

"While the Mark V MJOLNIR armor is designed to operate in a wide variety of combat situations, the UA/Multi-Threat configuration provides SPARTANs with additional offensive and defensive capabilities across all combat scenarios. The chestpiece's lightweight design allows for maximum freedom of movement while the standard MJOLNIR defense systems augment the superhuman prowess for which the SPARTANs are known."

This in and of itself would warrant an easy win for whoever uses it. Argue all you want, but Master Chief's luck wouldn't do diddly--blam!- for him in this situation.

Let's not forget the wide assortment of different UA attachments available to Noble Six; any combination of which would give him a staggering advantage over Chief in... just about any combat scenario.

List of UA Attachments

As well as at least several dozen other options available to Noble Six. Until Master Chief wises up, gets off his high horse, and takes into consideration the other options available to his armor, he is going to lose. Period.

Does this quench your thirst for an intelligent debate, or am I going to have to bring in Armor Abilities as well?

Oh, and don't try pulling that 'OH WELL DATZ GAEMPLEZ' bull-blam!-, because thats what it is, bull-blam!-. The Armor Abilities are canon. Look it up:

Portable Jump-Jet


1)That is not a huge advantage at all. Yes, it probably protects your face better, but it also probably slightly decreases your field of vision based on the size of the tiny camera. But regardless, if the shields are out, a S-IIs punch to the head is going to generate a lot of kinetic energy, most of which will cause severe wiplash and transfer through the faceplate, severly damaging or even incapacitating the victem.

2)Are you making -blam!- up? Where does it say the Remote Sensor tracks non-moving targets? You pulled that one right out of your ass

3)Hmmmmm, "tactical, short range battles, in urban areas" so if 6 is caught not in an urban area and at medium or farther range he is -blam!-ed. You are also exaggerating abilities. Its not like the armor is that much more resistant to damage, just that it is desgined to work better in CQC.

4)Really? So NOBLE 6 has a counter for every tactic? So I assume he is just going to stop mid-battle and start modifying his entire armor, or he has a bag with him with like 5 different helmets? Also, you mentioned the rocket launcher, which EOD would have very little protection against. EOD is designed for placing bombs and explosives, so that if they go off, you have a higher likelihood of surviving. A 105mm rocket to anypart of the unshielded armor would be a kill.

5)None give a "staggering" advantage. They are all small little improvements here and there that may or may not have disadvantages along with them, designed for specialist=type work. Also, Master Chief is a UNSC SPARTAN aswell. He has the exact same armory choices as 6 would, meaning he could use all that stuff too. Also, since we are granting full allowance to their respective armorys, Chief will just put on his MJOLNIR Mark VI Powered Assault Armor(6 wouldn't have that because he died before it became available). In case you didn't know, MJOLNIR Mark VI has 2x the shielding and 5x the alloy density (And a few other things) of the MJOLNIR Mark V that 6 wears. Now THAT is a "staggering" advantage.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I don't understand where the info about 6 is coming from since that "hyper lethal vector" was marketing.
This seems like a waypoint topic seeing how there isn't information to go by whatsoever yet it is filled with ideas. Yet the people that are actually making sense with there statements are getting refuted with nonsense.

  • 12.23.2011 9:02 AM PDT

Posted by: superiorarsenal
1)That is not a huge advantage at all. Yes, it probably protects your face better, but it also probably slightly decreases your field of vision based on the size of the tiny camera. But regardless, if the shields are out, a S-IIs punch to the head is going to generate a lot of kinetic energy, most of which will cause severe wiplash and transfer through the faceplate, severly damaging or even incapacitating the victem.


You dolt, the camera obviously records the surroundings and uplinks to a full screen within the helmet, like a visor. Common sense, use it.

2)Are you making -blam!- up? Where does it say the Remote Sensor tracks non-moving targets? You pulled that one right out of your ass

2) adds a Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear Module with a Hardened Uplink/Remote Sensor
I have highlighted the area of importance to assist in your elementary levels of reading.

3)Hmmmmm, "tactical, short range battles, in urban areas" so if 6 is caught not in an urban area and at medium or farther range he is -blam!-ed. You are also exaggerating abilities. Its not like the armor is that much more resistant to damage, just that it is desgined to work better in CQC.

3) Sorry, but this information was taken directly from the Halo Essential Visual Guide page 40, and the Halo Encyclopedia (2011 version) page 94. So I am not exaggerating anything.
he armor is designed for tactical, short range battles in urban areas, and as such the CQC variant offers an improved field of visibility and heavy ballistic protection.[3] In addition, numerous sections of the helmet supports open-port conversion - this allows the user to add any type of compatible module to the helmet to further improve functionality, allowing a Spartan to adapt to changing mission conditions on the fly.[3] The CQC's heavy pauldrons allow a soldier to swiftly and lethally close the gap between an enemy combatant despite being under fire.[3] The CQC can be utilized for both military operations on urban terrain (MOUT) and boarding operations aboard ships which are comprised of tight, enclosed spaces. All the segments marked with a [3] were taken from the Halo Visual Guide.
Despite being surpassed by the CQB in overall integration, the CQC variant still retained popularity well after its production ceased.[5] Many still prefer CQC's less traditional open-port conversion system to allow ad-hoc modification.[3] Some Spartans continue to use CQC instead of the newer CQB because of the versatility the CQC provides.[1][3] Segments marked with a [5] were taken directly from the Halo Encyclopedia.
Also, quit taking phrases out of context to aid in your argument, it just makes you look like an ass.

4)Really? So NOBLE 6 has a counter for every tactic? So I assume he is just going to stop mid-battle and start modifying his entire armor, or he has a bag with him with like 5 different helmets? Also, you mentioned the rocket launcher, which EOD would have very little protection against. EOD is designed for placing bombs and explosives, so that if they go off, you have a higher likelihood of surviving. A 105mm rocket to anypart of the unshielded armor would be a kill.

Read the description again.
The helmet was designed to channel the pressure wave of a nearby detonation around the user's head, significantly reducing the likelihood of decapitation in the event of an explosion. The MJOLNIR/EOD variant's pauldrons and chest plate were designed specifically to reduce the number of grabbing edges on the armor, decreasing the likelihood of dismemberment...
So it would have to be a DIRECT hit to kill Six. And no, that is not what I meant. You know very well what I mean and you are just dodging my point with your mindless, baseless rhetoric. No, common sense would tell us he would come equipped with various different armor components, each designed to combat a different problem. You're just making yourself look stupid by ignoring common sense and the issue at hand and resorting to laughable attempts to make me look stupid, all of which have failed.

5)None give a "staggering" advantage. They are all small little improvements here and there that may or may not have disadvantages along with them, designed for specialist=type work.

An advantage nevertheless which you cannot ignore.

Also, Master Chief is a UNSC SPARTAN aswell. He has the exact same armory choices as 6 would, meaning he could use all that stuff too. Also, since we are granting full allowance to their respective armorys, Chief will just put on his MJOLNIR Mark VI Powered Assault Armor...

On the contrary.

The MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark VI was the sixth version of the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor. The powered exoskeleton was issued to the few surviving SPARTAN-II commandos in October 2552

In order for this battle to even be possible, it would have to take place sometime before Reach, or at least August 30, 2552. If the MJOLNIR Mk VI was not developed until sometime in October, then it would've been impossible for Master Chief to have this at the time of the confrontation between him and Noble Six.

And there is no concrete evidence to suggest Master Chief ever had access to any of Noble Six's equipment, and there is also no evidence whatsoever to suggest the other Hyper-Lethal vector was John. I continue to wholeheartedly believe that it is Kurt, as both Halsey and Chief Mendez came to a relative concensus that Kurt was overall the best Leader. So, in my personal opinion, a majority of this equipment would only be available to said Hyper-Lethal Vectors, which would be Kurt and Six.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Explain to me why Bungie would talk about a spartan the public knows nothing about? You talk about having "no evidence" that she was talking about chief, yet you are forcing your whole- hearted opinion That has no factual or logical basis to it.


That is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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1) What I meant was the CAMERA's field of vision would be smaller, thus giving a smaller(though maybe only slightly) field of vision on the screen.

2)Still doesn't tell you anything in terms of how it does detect it, and whether or not it tells you exactly where it is, or just tells you that it senses that in an area.

3) Never said it wasn't true, but what I am saying is you are over-exaggerating the meaning of what you posted. The CQC (Close-Quarters-Combat) is designed for exactly that. That means it is less adept at things like mid-long range combat or direct explosives. What is DOES do is give better protection against harm that would be associated with a CQC battle.

4)So, tell me then, what pieces is he going to wear? Because you can't just say, "Well, he has these pieces available, so therefore he has all of their advantages." Perhaps we should set *GASP*, a standard? Maybe like, *GASP*, the MJOLNIR Mark V[B] that he uses by default? Such heresy.

5) I hate when people pull that card. Nothing about this battle makes sense anyways, so why are we suddenly going to set them up in the appropriate time period? Why not use both combatants when they were last fully combat able, to see who in their full power is the best, instead of handicapping one combatant that has had the oppurtunity to achieve more?

6) So both being UNSC SPARTANS isn't evidence that they have the same armory? Maybe I should drill this a little further. Also, Halsey never said Kurt was better. Hyper-Lethal vector most likely refers to kill counts or success rates, in which case Kurt was taken off the battle feild years ago, limiting his combat successes and kills. Master Chief, however, has been on the frontlines far longer than Kurt. So yes, there is some evidence.

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  • 12.24.2011 4:27 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) What I meant was the CAMERA's field of vision would be smaller, thus giving a smaller(though maybe only slightly) field of vision on the screen.


But seeing as they use some sort of sensors anyway, as Emile is not hindered by the skull on his helm at all, implies size of visor doesn't mean they see more.

Hell, haven't you see the helms (such as the banshee in SC2) which completely covers the eyes yet they see fine? Or like the bumblebee pilot in CE. Their visor covers the eyes completely and they fly it without trouble.

So really, you saying GUNGIR helm not being able to see as much is as supportable as him saying the helm's sensor add-on allows him to detect chief no matter what.

edit: I must wonder Arsenal why you are so against them both being in Mark V armor, with chief only having his experiances up to then?

Tell me, what does fighting the flood give chief that has an advantage over Six?

It sounds like you feel that chief might lose if we set them both at time of battle of Reach, as opposed to him being post halo 3 and six only being battle of reach gear-wise.

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) What I meant was the CAMERA's field of vision would be smaller, thus giving a smaller(though maybe only slightly) field of vision on the screen.


But seeing as they use some sort of sensors anyway, as Emile is not hindered by the skull on his helm at all, implies size of visor doesn't mean they see more.

Hell, haven't you see the helms (such as the banshee in SC2) which completely covers the eyes yet they see fine? Or like the bumblebee pilot in CE. Their visor covers the eyes completely and they fly it without trouble.

So really, you saying GUNGIR helm not being able to see as much is as supportable as him saying the helm's sensor add-on allows him to detect chief no matter what.

edit: I must wonder Arsenal why you are so against them both being in Mark V armor, with chief only having his experiances up to then?

Tell me, what does fighting the flood give chief that has an advantage over Six?

It sounds like you feel that chief might lose if we set them both at time of battle of Reach, as opposed to him being post halo 3 and six only being battle of reach gear-wise.


I never said it would decrease field of vision significantly, but slightly, possibly even very slightly .

On to your other point, if 6 had made it farther and gotten better things I would argue that he gets them. I just hate when things are taken away from characters because it is "more fair". Nothing about a battle is "fair", either side will go for all the advantages they can to winn. 100% fair is a tie. I also dislike when people "make the battle as realistic as possible" example being going back to a previous point in a timeline. Most battles aren't realistic at all, so why must we draw the line at time period? Maybe its just that I am conditioned to debate in the mindset of Current Incarnation and Standard Loadout.

Also, I have already said, multiple times I think, that assuming Master Chief had Mark V armor, it would be a virtual tie (Only a 5% or less win or loss percent difference) with the victor depending on unpredictable facotrs.

Also strawman, never said fighting the Flood gave Master Chief an edge over 6.

  • 12.24.2011 4:54 PM PDT

master chief as had more experiance and therefore would win
plus he's a badass

  • 12.24.2011 5:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bean52
master chief as had more experiance and therefore would win
plus he's a badass


Big Boss had more experience than Solid Snake and Snake still beat him, so your point is null.

  • 12.24.2011 5:40 PM PDT


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Posted by: Bean52
master chief as had more experiance and therefore would win
plus he's a badass


Big Boss had more experience than Solid Snake and Snake still beat him, so your point is null.


The boss had far more experience then Naked Snake, and Snake beat her too.

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All depends on they type of experience.

  • 12.24.2011 6:08 PM PDT

Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) What I meant was the CAMERA's field of vision would be smaller, thus giving a smaller(though maybe only slightly) field of vision on the screen.


Refer to Emile, the skull on his visor? Remember that one? Oh, and lets not forget the pilots, their helmets utilize a camera similar to the GUNGNIR helmet. You cannot present Side-A of a piece of evidence, while spewing nonsense and ignorance of Side-B. It doesn't work, sorry, people are going to find you out. In fact looking back now I can see Cmdr already did.

2)Still doesn't tell you anything in terms of how it does detect it, and whether or not it tells you exactly where it is, or just tells you that it senses that in an area.

Which is why we use what information we can gather. Obviously it is a biological remote sensor, it is in the name.

3) Never said it wasn't true, but what I am saying is you are over-exaggerating the meaning of what you posted. The CQC (Close-Quarters-Combat) is designed for exactly that. That means it is less adept at things like mid-long range combat or direct explosives. What is DOES do is give better protection against harm that would be associated with a CQC battle.

And, from the description, adds additional protection against light arms, like say, the Assault Rifle, the Chief's primary weapon. I am not over-exaggerating anything, merely reposting what was already said, which is something I should not have to do with the normally sane of mind.

5) I hate when people pull that card.

Why, because it points out the error in your post?

Nothing about this battle makes sense anyways,

Then why post?

so why are we suddenly going to set them up in the appropriate time period?

Because it is the 'appropriate' time period, maybe?

Why not use both combatants when they were last fully combat able, to see who in their full power is the best, instead of handicapping one combatant that has had the oppurtunity to achieve more?

Because Master Chief got to where he is now due to Noble Six's actions, he owes him his career, his accomplishments, and his life. If I were Master Chief and Noble Six decided it was time to pay up, you bet your ass I would.

6) So both being UNSC SPARTANS isn't evidence that they have the same armory? Maybe I should drill this a little further. Also, Halsey never said Kurt was better.

Doesn't matter what Halsey said, it is a fact that Kurt always bested John. Read Ghosts of Onyx.

Hyper-Lethal vector most likely refers to kill counts or success rates, in which case Kurt was taken off the battle feild years ago, limiting his combat successes and kills.

Still, his service record stays with him. It is set in stone that his Green Team bested John's Blue Team countless times. Mendez himself said he would've preferred Kurt lead the Spartans, and he is the one who is the trained military tactician here, Halsey is a Doctor with next to no battlefield experience, which further degrades her opinion regardless of whether she meant John or not, making her 'opinions', in regards to Mendez, moot.

Master Chief, however, has been on the frontlines far longer than Kurt. So yes, there is some evidence.

No, they were both conscripted at the age of Six, were both in the same Spartan-II class, and fought in a lot of the same battles prior to Kurt being pulled out to train the SPARTAN-IIIs. Your hate of Kurt, Six, and everything else NOT Chief is a little disturbing to me to say the least.

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  • 12.24.2011 6:19 PM PDT

Arsenal... you did a wonderful job of proving my point exactly.

You are saying Chief gets Mark VI/halo 3+era gear solely because without it there is a chance he'd lose/would win but still get beat badly.

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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) What I meant was the CAMERA's field of vision would be smaller, thus giving a smaller(though maybe only slightly) field of vision on the screen.


Refer to Emile, the skull on his visor? Remember that one? Oh, and lets not forget the pilots, their helmets utilize a camera similar to the GUNGNIR helmet. You cannot present Side-A of a piece of evidence, while spewing nonsense and ignorance of Side-B. It doesn't work, sorry, people are going to find you out. In fact looking back now I can see Cmdr already did.

2)Still doesn't tell you anything in terms of how it does detect it, and whether or not it tells you exactly where it is, or just tells you that it senses that in an area.

Which is why we use what information we can gather. Obviously it is a biological remote sensor, it is in the name.

3) Never said it wasn't true, but what I am saying is you are over-exaggerating the meaning of what you posted. The CQC (Close-Quarters-Combat) is designed for exactly that. That means it is less adept at things like mid-long range combat or direct explosives. What is DOES do is give better protection against harm that would be associated with a CQC battle.

And, from the description, adds additional protection against light arms, like say, the Assault Rifle, the Chief's primary weapon. I am not over-exaggerating anything, merely reposting what was already said, which is something I should not have to do with the normally sane of mind.

5) I hate when people pull that card.

Why, because it points out the error in your post?

Nothing about this battle makes sense anyways,

Then why post?

so why are we suddenly going to set them up in the appropriate time period?

Because it is the 'appropriate' time period, maybe?

Why not use both combatants when they were last fully combat able, to see who in their full power is the best, instead of handicapping one combatant that has had the oppurtunity to achieve more?

Because Master Chief got to where he is now due to Noble Six's actions, he owes him his career, his accomplishments, and his life. If I were Master Chief and Noble Six decided it was time to pay up, you bet your ass I would.

6) So both being UNSC SPARTANS isn't evidence that they have the same armory? Maybe I should drill this a little further. Also, Halsey never said Kurt was better.

Doesn't matter what Halsey said, it is a fact that Kurt always bested John. Read Ghosts of Onyx.

Hyper-Lethal vector most likely refers to kill counts or success rates, in which case Kurt was taken off the battle feild years ago, limiting his combat successes and kills.

Still, his service record stays with him. It is set in stone that his Green Team bested John's Blue Team countless times. Mendez himself said he would've preferred Kurt lead the Spartans, and he is the one who is the trained military tactician here, Halsey is a Doctor with next to no battlefield experience, which further degrades her opinion regardless of whether she meant John or not, making her 'opinions', in regards to Mendez, moot.

Master Chief, however, has been on the frontlines far longer than Kurt. So yes, there is some evidence.

No, they were both conscripted at the age of Six, were both in the same Spartan-II class, and fought in a lot of the same battles prior to Kurt being pulled out to train the SPARTAN-IIIs. Your hate of Kurt, Six, and everything else NOT Chief is a little disturbing to me to say the least.


1) What do you not understand? I said it most likely SLIGHTLY reduces field of vision. Not significantly, or in anyway that really effects preformance. I mean, a small camera vs a full face-plate, I would give the SLIGHT field-of-vision advantage to that with face-plate.

2)But you said it could detect exactly where Chief is, which you have no proof.

3)And then what about the BR55? Not a typical CQC weapon like the MA5C.

5A)No, because of the reasons afterwards. Like I said, I would argue that NOBLE 6 should get things if he had made it farther and Chief had died earlier.

5B)I meant "sense" as the context of the battle. Two die-hard loyal SPARTANs with the same goal in mind, working for the same military. It is unrealistic that they would fight.

5C)But why does it matter?

5D)and NOBLE 6 owes his existence to the S-II project. Hell, if Master Chief and the other S-IIs preformed poorly, the projected would have been deemed a failure and discontinued. So really, NOBLE 6 owes the S-IIs. Either way, it doesn't matter who owes who.

5E)I have, and it said SOMETIMES Green Team beat Blue Team in comeptitions, not beating them everytime like you suggest.

5F)Not countless times, a few times. Stop using hyperbole. Also, you treat Halsey as if she is a retard. She is a MILITARY scientist, who created the S-II project. I think she has a good idea of what the "prime" product of her own project is.

5G)EXACTLY. My point was he was PULLED OUT. Therefore, he got less kills and less succesful missions than Chief. Also, I do not hate them. 6 is my favorite NOBLE Team member and Kurt is tied for my favorite Halo character along with Kelly, Linda, Fred, John, The Rookie, and Yayap.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Arsenal... you did a wonderful job of proving my point exactly.

You are saying Chief gets Mark VI/halo 3+era gear solely because without it there is a chance he'd lose/would win but still get beat badly.


*Facepalm*

The reason I give him that is because I have been conditioned for years to play by the rules of Current Incarnation and Standard Loadout. I also said, if 6 had made it farther than Chief, I would fight equally as hard for NOBLE 6 to have the most current gear that would have been available to him.

You also somehow mistook me saying they would have a tie as "There is a chance Master Chief will lose without Mark VI." The whole tie thing is based off of the rule of pre-FoR era. it would be within 5% for either side, all depending on factors we cannot predict.

Honestly.

  • 12.24.2011 6:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Arsenal... you did a wonderful job of proving my point exactly.

You are saying Chief gets Mark VI/halo 3+era gear solely because without it there is a chance he'd lose/would win but still get beat badly.


I wouldn't waste my time with either of them, Arsenal or Grey. Look at page 4 of this thread, and just look at the immaturity. It is laughable really how seriously they are both taking this, I am actually laughing my ass of.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Arsenal... you did a wonderful job of proving my point exactly.

You are saying Chief gets Mark VI/halo 3+era gear solely because without it there is a chance he'd lose/would win but still get beat badly.


I wouldn't waste my time with either of them, Arsenal or Grey. Look at page 4 of this thread, and just look at the immaturity. It is laughable really how seriously they are both taking this, I am actually laughing my ass of.

The saddest part is that a good amount of these members are friends of mine and it is clear you are the fool. You Poor Dumb Bastard.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Arsenal... you did a wonderful job of proving my point exactly.

You are saying Chief gets Mark VI/halo 3+era gear solely because without it there is a chance he'd lose/would win but still get beat badly.


I wouldn't waste my time with either of them, Arsenal or Grey. Look at page 4 of this thread, and just look at the immaturity. It is laughable really how seriously they are both taking this, I am actually laughing my ass of.

The saddest part is that a good amount of these members are friends of mine and it is clear you are the fool. You Poor Dumb Bastard.


lol, as another funny thing is I fail to see the immaturity of sourceing information. If anything, YOU are the one looking immature. Hyper-Lethal Luck? lolol. Another thing, even though I disagree quite frequently with Grey and Cmdr, I still see them as friends, because at least they debate intelligently(Even though we don't always see eye to eye). You, however, are a different matter entirely.

  • 12.25.2011 6:52 PM PDT