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Subject: Master Chief vs. Noble Six

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Posted by: SweeneySaint
noble 6. after all, noble 6 survived re-entry w/o major damage.

So did master chief... also i vote master chief because he is arguably the best spartan there is. Although in Ghosts od Onxy it is said that kurt was his rival as in the one who often was equal to him in training
Also all the people in this thread saying Noble six have most likely not read the books as their responses are based around Reach canon.

[Edited on 12.08.2011 9:05 AM PST]

  • 12.08.2011 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: SweeneySaint
noble 6. after all, noble 6 survived re-entry w/o major damage.

So did master chief... also i vote master chief because he is arguably the best spartan there is. Although in Ghosts od Onxy it is said that kurt was his rival as in the one who often was equal to him in training
Also all the people in this thread saying Noble six have most likely not read the books as their responses are based around Reach canon.


Looks like you are the one that haven't read the books, John wasn't the best in the books. He was normal among the Spartans, Fred was arguably the best.

And, don't compare Six's 80+ kilometer drop to Chief's 2 kilometer drop, using a Forerunner door to cushion his fall.

  • 12.08.2011 10:31 AM PDT

And the option for I don't care is...

Where is it?

It's just a game, who cares who's better?

  • 12.08.2011 11:29 AM PDT

Master Chief... again.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
May I ask why in a vs debate we are giving Chief the entire trilogy of games and gear, instead of placing them at the one point both existed?

I say it should be both in Mark V, cut off battle of reach before Six died(so, PoA leaving system) in terms of experience/gear.

Edit: Where do you get that standard loadout of weapons from anyway?

It'd be assault rifle, BR, magnum OR smg for Chief. Why would he carry both around?


1)And why would we do that? If MC is currently using better gear why shouldn't we count that? What if he were to get FR armor in Halo 4, would you strip that from him for the sake of fairness?

2)Why? Why limit one character just because he survived longer and thus got access to more experience and gear?

3)The most commonly used weapons of the character that could be easily carried in a real life situation(i.e. no game mechanic limits).

4)Why? Because he can. The magnetic nature of his armor means he can carry one small arms weapon on each thigh, and 2 regular weapons on his back (pick up a turret while holding 2 primarys, you keep them both, but only one is shown).

  • 12.08.2011 6:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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They do that because they don't know how to set up a fight.


It's like they go "Hey, who wins between a marine and a grunt, marine has rocket launcher and grunt has a needler!"


EXACTLY why you have standard loadouts. To prevent people from saying things along those lines.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

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Commander Shepard would beat the hell out of them both!


Alcatraz would destroy them all.


No. Just no.

http://www.factpile.com/6191-alcatraz-vs-master-chief/comment -page-5/#comments

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: TwistedDippy666

Posted by: SweeneySaint
noble 6. after all, noble 6 survived re-entry w/o major damage.

So did master chief... also i vote master chief because he is arguably the best spartan there is. Although in Ghosts od Onxy it is said that kurt was his rival as in the one who often was equal to him in training
Also all the people in this thread saying Noble six have most likely not read the books as their responses are based around Reach canon.


Looks like you are the one that haven't read the books, John wasn't the best in the books. He was normal among the Spartans, Fred was arguably the best.

And, don't compare Six's 80+ kilometer drop to Chief's 2 kilometer drop, using a Forerunner door to cushion his fall.


1)Not AGAIN! He wasn't the best at PARTICULAR things. He was the most well-rounded and arguably the best leader. He was not "normal" even for S-II standards. He may not be able to out-snipe Linda, but he could probably beat her in H2H. Fred would be about equal with Master Chief, though he is not quite the leader.

2) terminal Velocity is terminal velocity regardless of hieght. HOWEVER, MC was going A LOT faster than terminal velocity. He jumped from the Keyship, meaning his speed was already the Keyship's re-entry velocity. This is actually MUCH more impressive than a terminal velocity hit.

  • 12.08.2011 6:45 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
May I ask why in a vs debate we are giving Chief the entire trilogy of games and gear, instead of placing them at the one point both existed?

I say it should be both in Mark V, cut off battle of reach before Six died(so, PoA leaving system) in terms of experience/gear.

Edit: Where do you get that standard loadout of weapons from anyway?

It'd be assault rifle, BR, magnum OR smg for Chief. Why would he carry both around?


1)And why would we do that? If MC is currently using better gear why shouldn't we count that? What if he were to get FR armor in Halo 4, would you strip that from him for the sake of fairness?

2)Why? Why limit one character just because he survived longer and thus got access to more experience and gear?

3)The most commonly used weapons of the character that could be easily carried in a real life situation(i.e. no game mechanic limits).

4)Why? Because he can. The magnetic nature of his armor means he can carry one small arms weapon on each thigh, and 2 regular weapons on his back (pick up a turret while holding 2 primarys, you keep them both, but only one is shown).


1) So you don't have on side getting an advantage. If I place two master swordsmen in an arena, but give one plate armor and the other chainmail will it really be a test of skill? No. The guy in plate will win.

2)Point one.

3) hm, okay. but when did Chief carry bout magnum and smg? If I recall, he carried one or the other as a sidearm

4) Mark IV, and by logic, mark V had magnetic holsters on both legs as well. Therefore your point is true of Six as well.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
May I ask why in a vs debate we are giving Chief the entire trilogy of games and gear, instead of placing them at the one point both existed?

I say it should be both in Mark V, cut off battle of reach before Six died(so, PoA leaving system) in terms of experience/gear.

Edit: Where do you get that standard loadout of weapons from anyway?

It'd be assault rifle, BR, magnum OR smg for Chief. Why would he carry both around?


1)And why would we do that? If MC is currently using better gear why shouldn't we count that? What if he were to get FR armor in Halo 4, would you strip that from him for the sake of fairness?

2)Why? Why limit one character just because he survived longer and thus got access to more experience and gear?

3)The most commonly used weapons of the character that could be easily carried in a real life situation(i.e. no game mechanic limits).

4)Why? Because he can. The magnetic nature of his armor means he can carry one small arms weapon on each thigh, and 2 regular weapons on his back (pick up a turret while holding 2 primarys, you keep them both, but only one is shown).


1) So you don't have on side getting an advantage. If I place two master swordsmen in an arena, but give one plate armor and the other chainmail will it really be a test of skill? No. The guy in plate will win.

2)Point one.

3) hm, okay. but when did Chief carry bout magnum and smg? If I recall, he carried one or the other as a sidearm

4) Mark IV, and by logic, mark V had magnetic holsters on both legs as well. Therefore your point is true of Six as well.


1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?

2)Okay so no SMG. Yeah that's better, it balances more with 6's lack of an SMG.

4)Except NOBLE 6 has never been seen using an SMG like MC has, but it doesn't really matter now.

  • 12.08.2011 7:13 PM PDT

I know this really doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand, but if you put two swordsmen in an arena, the armor would only be one factor. The skill would determine the outcome, not only the armor.

  • 12.08.2011 7:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.

  • 12.08.2011 7:26 PM PDT

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  • 12.08.2011 7:31 PM PDT

That's the thing, why should Chief get all the experience of the trilogy and gear, but Six not equaled out in gear?

I'm not saying we give Chief Mark IV. I'm saying we both have them in what they normally have, Battle of Reach era. Cause honestly, WHAT combat experience from the trilogy is really going to help Chief in this case?

  • 12.08.2011 7:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.


The thyroid implant doesn't mean much. Being tall doesn't mean all that much, David vs Goliath for example. I don't know what you refer to with the 2 years of training, but the training doesn't matter much either. Six is already well trained, I'd wager more so since her training was created from a Spartan-II and their instructor. Combat experience is kinda null too since Six handled herself well alone while Chief relied on a squad for most of his life.

It's pretty fair.

  • 12.08.2011 7:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.


The thyroid implant doesn't mean much. Being tall doesn't mean all that much, David vs Goliath for example. I don't know what you refer to with the 2 years of training, but the training doesn't matter much either. Six is already well trained, I'd wager more so since her training was created from a Spartan-II and their instructor. Combat experience is kinda null too since Six handled herself well alone while Chief relied on a squad for most of his life.

It's pretty fair.


Yeah, Thyroid implant as I read it simply made them slightly taller and allowed the other implants to fully affect the Spartan II's bodies.

Doesn't make them super strong compared to S3's.

  • 12.08.2011 7:38 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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I mean, Lucy is the smallest S-III and she survived Pegasi Delta at around 13 correct?

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.

Have them hug it out, everyone wins.

  • 12.08.2011 8:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Zyrax
Commander Shepard would beat the hell out of them both!


Alcatraz would destroy them all.


No. Just no.

http://www.factpile.com/6191-alcatraz-vs-master-chief/comment -page-5/#comments


I fail to see their logic, they say that with Alcatraz being 100x stronger than a human it would take him about 400 punches to make John's shields deplete, and yet a Brute can deplete them with ease (Brutes being around twice a Spartan strength if I am correct), so it makes no sense.

Regardless of that, the only thing that Alcatraz would need to do is throw an EMP grenade towards John to deplete his shields and then he could do damage to him, possibly enough to break bones.

  • 12.08.2011 9:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: TwistedDippy666

Posted by: SweeneySaint
noble 6. after all, noble 6 survived re-entry w/o major damage.

So did master chief... also i vote master chief because he is arguably the best spartan there is. Although in Ghosts od Onxy it is said that kurt was his rival as in the one who often was equal to him in training
Also all the people in this thread saying Noble six have most likely not read the books as their responses are based around Reach canon.


Looks like you are the one that haven't read the books, John wasn't the best in the books. He was normal among the Spartans, Fred was arguably the best.

And, don't compare Six's 80+ kilometer drop to Chief's 2 kilometer drop, using a Forerunner door to cushion his fall.

I have read the books actually and i can prove it because the reason why john was captured by the rebeles was because they had pressure plates which simulated high gravity environment on his suit so it compensated causing him to black out, only to awake with an armour restraint on the back of his neck.

Also i think john is one of the best spartans purely because he is often seen as the luckiest. Also i fred is alright but i liked sam more, its a shame he had to die so early on.

  • 12.09.2011 9:45 AM PDT

When he was younger, he was the one who always had the jokes and riddles that would keep the spirits of the Spartans high. Over the years however, his lifetime of combat had hardened him, as it had all of the Spartans. Within Will, John thought, something special had been lost.
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  • 12.09.2011 10:27 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

lol, I love how people are trying to disregard everything Chief has done. He's the hero of Halo. Get over it. Somebody like Six who dies after one game doesn't stand a chance against what Chief has done. The truth will set you free. You should face it.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
That's the thing, why should Chief get all the experience of the trilogy and gear, but Six not equaled out in gear?

I'm not saying we give Chief Mark IV. I'm saying we both have them in what they normally have, Battle of Reach era. Cause honestly, WHAT combat experience from the trilogy is really going to help Chief in this case?


Why should Chief get that stuff? Because it IS HIS.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.


The thyroid implant doesn't mean much. Being tall doesn't mean all that much, David vs Goliath for example. I don't know what you refer to with the 2 years of training, but the training doesn't matter much either. Six is already well trained, I'd wager more so since her training was created from a Spartan-II and their instructor. Combat experience is kinda null too since Six handled herself well alone while Chief relied on a squad for most of his life.

It's pretty fair.


Slight hieght increase and slight strength increase. Also, David and Goliath would be a HORRIBLE analogy. Here we go again, brining up NOBLE 6 being alone. We have no idea what odds 6 was against. SPARTAN Grey Team is smaller than MC's Blue Team, and operates behind enemy lines with little or no support, but in a fight, I would put my money on MC's Blue Team.

  • 12.09.2011 3:16 PM PDT