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Subject: Master Chief vs. Noble Six
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Commander Shepard would beat the hell out of them both!


Alcatraz would destroy them all.


No. Just no.

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I fail to see their logic, they say that with Alcatraz being 100x stronger than a human it would take him about 400 punches to make John's shields deplete, and yet a Brute can deplete them with ease (Brutes being around twice a Spartan strength if I am correct), so it makes no sense.

Regardless of that, the only thing that Alcatraz would need to do is throw an EMP grenade towards John to deplete his shields and then he could do damage to him, possibly enough to break bones.


Did you not Read Reaper's replies? Basically everything Alcatraz's side relied on was straight up hyperbole, but they were stating it as fact. He is nowhere near 100x as strong as a human. That calculation was based on his entire suit being made of the carbon nanotubes involving strength, and that Al could maintain that constantly. Using his max strength would drain all of the suits energy after 1 hit.

  • 12.09.2011 3:19 PM PDT
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BTW, I'm not saying this is a stomp for Chief, but merely that Chief wins. I think it would be a very good fight.

  • 12.09.2011 3:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?


Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.


The thyroid implant doesn't mean much. Being tall doesn't mean all that much, David vs Goliath for example. I don't know what you refer to with the 2 years of training, but the training doesn't matter much either. Six is already well trained, I'd wager more so since her training was created from a Spartan-II and their instructor. Combat experience is kinda null too since Six handled herself well alone while Chief relied on a squad for most of his life.

It's pretty fair.


Slight hieght increase and slight strength increase. Also, David and Goliath would be a HORRIBLE analogy. Here we go again, brining up NOBLE 6 being alone. We have no idea what odds 6 was against. SPARTAN Grey Team is smaller than MC's Blue Team, and operates behind enemy lines with little or no support, but in a fight, I would put my money on MC's Blue Team.


And yet Goliath was bigger and stronger than David. You say it's a horrible analogy, but fail to explain why. We could just use the John vs Brute example. The Brute was much larger and stronger than John, yet he still beat it. Yoda says it best, "Size matters not."

As for Six's experience, we can make a good guess. He fights against rebel groups himself, has experience with combat above planets, knows first hand the shield strength of Zealots and was a higher up ONI officials personal assassin. So she is a perfect example of a lone wolf if I ever heard it.

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
1) Battles are never really fair. You give the combatants what they normally have and see who wins. If you did Master Chief vs Samus, you wouldn't put them in equal armor, would you, even though it is extremely unfair without?
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Strip 6 and Chief down to their skivvies and let them duke it out. Bam, there is your fight


Nope, still not 100% fair. You have to deduct 2 years of training, a thyroid implant, and a whole bunch of combat experience from Master Chief. Then it is 100% fair.


The thyroid implant doesn't mean much. Being tall doesn't mean all that much, David vs Goliath for example. I don't know what you refer to with the 2 years of training, but the training doesn't matter much either. Six is already well trained, I'd wager more so since her training was created from a Spartan-II and their instructor. Combat experience is kinda null too since Six handled herself well alone while Chief relied on a squad for most of his life.

It's pretty fair.


Slight hieght increase and slight strength increase. Also, David and Goliath would be a HORRIBLE analogy. Here we go again, brining up NOBLE 6 being alone. We have no idea what odds 6 was against. SPARTAN Grey Team is smaller than MC's Blue Team, and operates behind enemy lines with little or no support, but in a fight, I would put my money on MC's Blue Team.


And yet Goliath was bigger and stronger than David. You say it's a horrible analogy, but fail to explain why. We could just use the John vs Brute example. The Brute was much larger and stronger than John, yet he still beat it. Yoda says it best, "Size matters not."

As for Six's experience, we can make a good guess. He fights against rebel groups himself, has experience with combat above planets, knows first hand the shield strength of Zealots and was a higher up ONI officials personal assassin. So she is a perfect example of a lone wolf if I ever heard it.


We do not know the size or strength, or the manner in which 6 fought them. MC has experience fighting above planets too, and from the looks of it, more than 6. Knowing the shield strength of an enemy isn't really an outstanding feat. Johnson's graduation "test" was to assasinate a high-end innie leader. He has probably also assasinated many others. People always say "MC was at a great disadvantage without a team." What actually went down, was he said that he was used to having a team, but he very quickly agjusted to being on his own.

Goliath was tremendously stronger and larger than David. Not so in this case. Very minor difference in hieght and strength. Also, Goliath was wasn't very smart, while both 6 AND Chief are very smart, and intelligence feats leaning towards Chief(but again, minor difference).

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Spartan II's really are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way, the only benefit of III's is that they're cheap, but that's it. Master Chief hands down.

  • 12.10.2011 4:28 AM PDT

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Master Chief vs Noble 6
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Bungie made up my mind for me on this one folks.


I can't be bothered getting involved, but let me just say Chief would win, but it would be an amazing fight.

  • 12.10.2011 7:11 AM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
We do not know the size or strength, or the manner in which 6 fought them. MC has experience fighting above planets too, and from the looks of it, more than 6. Knowing the shield strength of an enemy isn't really an outstanding feat. Johnson's graduation "test" was to assasinate a high-end innie leader. He has probably also assasinated many others. People always say "MC was at a great disadvantage without a team." What actually went down, was he said that he was used to having a team, but he very quickly agjusted to being on his own.


I doubt Chief has experience as a pilot like Six does. Also, the way it sounds to me is "Because we don't know 100% of the details of Six's missions that dismantled entire terrorist organizations and made rebel militia groups disappear, we shouldn't count them.

With that logic, we shouldn't count most of Chief's military history either huh? For all we know half of those battles Chief sipped tea while riding on a platoon of scorpion tanks supported by vultures.

Knowing the shield strength actually is kinda a feat. Maybe not "Six wins because of it." but, it means Six has fought zealots before. And won because Six is alive. Firsthand knowledge of exactly how strong a zealots shields are means he/she has fought against them and won, more then once.

As for what actually went down was Chief nearly got killed, then went "Damn, I'm so used to having a team I made a rookie mistake that should've killed me." And continued having some trouble through CE, maybe not as much once he adapted (which was not within minutes mind you). Still, the fact is without a team or anybody supporting him, his first encounter nearly killed him. To me, that speaks volumes of his previous engagements.

  • 12.10.2011 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xerzaph
Spartan II's really are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way, the only benefit of III's is that they're cheap, but that's it. Master Chief hands down.


Nevermind their augmentations are the same minus a thyroid implant.

  • 12.10.2011 10:43 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Xerzaph
Spartan II's really are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way, the only benefit of III's is that they're cheap, but that's it. Master Chief hands down.


Nevermind their augmentations are the same minus a thyroid implant.


Which was required for others to fully take effect.

And nevermind the superior S3 training.

  • 12.10.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Xerzaph
Spartan II's really are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way, the only benefit of III's is that they're cheap, but that's it. Master Chief hands down.


Nevermind their augmentations are the same minus a thyroid implant.


According to Traviss, Spartan III's can't even knock out an old lady...

/thread

  • 12.10.2011 11:07 AM PDT

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Master Chief by far. No doubt about it.

  • 12.10.2011 11:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Xerzaph
Spartan II's really are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way, the only benefit of III's is that they're cheap, but that's it. Master Chief hands down.


Nevermind their augmentations are the same minus a thyroid implant.


According to Traviss, Spartan III's can't even knock out an old lady...

/thread


You got me there.

Also ONI mishandling one of the Spartan's kidnappings and parent's reponse is all Halsey's fault.

#accordingtotraviss

  • 12.10.2011 11:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Xerzaph
Spartan II's really are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way, the only benefit of III's is that they're cheap, but that's it. Master Chief hands down.


Nevermind their augmentations are the same minus a thyroid implant.


According to Traviss, Spartan III's can't even knock out an old lady...

/thread


You got me there.

Also ONI mishandling one of the Spartan's kidnappings and parent's reponse is all Halsey's fault.

#accordingtotraviss


Can't wait to start using that.

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  • 12.10.2011 11:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: superiorarsenal
We do not know the size or strength, or the manner in which 6 fought them. MC has experience fighting above planets too, and from the looks of it, more than 6. Knowing the shield strength of an enemy isn't really an outstanding feat. Johnson's graduation "test" was to assasinate a high-end innie leader. He has probably also assasinated many others. People always say "MC was at a great disadvantage without a team." What actually went down, was he said that he was used to having a team, but he very quickly agjusted to being on his own.


I doubt Chief has experience as a pilot like Six does. Also, the way it sounds to me is "Because we don't know 100% of the details of Six's missions that dismantled entire terrorist organizations and made rebel militia groups disappear, we shouldn't count them.

With that logic, we shouldn't count most of Chief's military history either huh? For all we know half of those battles Chief sipped tea while riding on a platoon of scorpion tanks supported by vultures.

Knowing the shield strength actually is kinda a feat. Maybe not "Six wins because of it." but, it means Six has fought zealots before. And won because Six is alive. Firsthand knowledge of exactly how strong a zealots shields are means he/she has fought against them and won, more then once.

As for what actually went down was Chief nearly got killed, then went "Damn, I'm so used to having a team I made a rookie mistake that should've killed me." And continued having some trouble through CE, maybe not as much once he adapted (which was not within minutes mind you). Still, the fact is without a team or anybody supporting him, his first encounter nearly killed him. To me, that speaks volumes of his previous engagements.


1)Oh, you meant pilot? I thought you meant zero-gee. My bad. I'm also not saying that those feats are worthless, be just can't really compare them to anything. And the "because we don't know 100%" part makes it sound as if we actually know anything quantifiable. We know a rough idea of what he did, and then you try to compare that as evidence enough against Master Chief's combat experience(Almost 30 years, fought in 120 campaigns), which alone is longer than 6 has been alive.

2)Except we have a good idea of what his missions were like from the examples that were given in the books.

3)But you also assume that Master Chief doesn't know these things, which he probably does. Actually, I bet all S-IIs know that, based on that they are quite easily some of the best observational learners in the history of mankind. Actually, I'm quite confident that even most of the S-IIIs know this aswell.

4)This was literally right after he had just been in a squad. And what are some examples of this difficulty throughout the rest of the book? Don't forget Master Chief has had quite some time to adapt to not being with a team anymore. I mean, assaulting the Flood on your own is a pretty duanting task, even for a squad of SPARTANs.

  • 12.10.2011 3:02 PM PDT

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And yet a Spartan II Is stronger than an elite, while a Spartan III is not. Spartan II's were handpicked for being stronger than average humans and having particular genes. Even then a lot of them died from the physical augmentations. Spartan III's are orphans of war, chosen for their hatred of the Covenant. Basically, Spartan II's are better quality, so-to-speak.

  • 12.11.2011 1:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xerzaph
And yet a Spartan II Is stronger than an elite, while a Spartan III is not. Spartan II's were handpicked for being stronger than average humans and having particular genes. Even then a lot of them died from the physical augmentations. Spartan III's are orphans of war, chosen for their hatred of the Covenant. Basically, Spartan II's are better quality, so-to-speak.


You do realize that the S-IIIs had genetic criteria too right? Parandosky tried to expand it to allow more "average" kids in but was overruled. So don't fool yourself into thinking the S-IIIs were just average kids.

  • 12.11.2011 1:39 AM PDT

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This isn't even a fair comparison.

Master Chief is better than N6 in every regard.

  • 12.11.2011 2:38 AM PDT

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Except in keeping teammates alive. Chief has a really bad habit of getting folks killed.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You do realize that the S-IIIs had genetic criteria too right? Parandosky tried to expand it to allow more "average" kids in but was overruled. So don't fool yourself into thinking the S-IIIs were just average kids.


No, of course not, but it has been stated that Spartan II's are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way. In chief's case, he is the best spartan II. Not the fastest, strongest, or smartest, but the best.
Spartan III's never received the exact same augmentations as Spartan II's. Because III's nearly never died from surgery. It was less taxing, and less dramatic a change.

[Edited on 12.11.2011 4:52 AM PST]

  • 12.11.2011 4:46 AM PDT


Posted by: Xerzaph

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You do realize that the S-IIIs had genetic criteria too right? Parandosky tried to expand it to allow more "average" kids in but was overruled. So don't fool yourself into thinking the S-IIIs were just average kids.


No, of course not, but it has been stated that Spartan II's are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way. In chief's case, he is the best spartan II. Not the fastest, strongest, or smartest, but the best.
Spartan III's never received the exact same augmentations as Spartan II's. Because III's nearly never died from surgery. It was less taxing, and less dramatic a change.


Now, they received the exact same augmentations bar one. It is called medical ADVANCES cause there to be a 0% washout rate.

And it's also been stated that S3 training was more intensive and better then Spartan 2 training, so your line about "In universe they say S2's are better then S3's in all ways." is false.

  • 12.11.2011 6:02 AM PDT

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it depends by noble six do u mean someone like gil demoono here or someone like me?


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Except in keeping teammates alive. Chief has a really bad habit of getting folks killed.


Really? I mean really? I'm guessing your example would be Reach, right? The situation were the S-IIs were sent to their deaths against immpossible odds with little choice otherwise? Or fighting in zero-gee while vastly outnumbered? He kept his squad alive (Besides Sam) for close to 30 years, and then you say he has a track record of getting people killed. So I guess that means Kurt has a bad record too right, because apparently one immpossible battle with many deaths overwrites his entire career aswell? What about NOBLE Team, they don't exactly have the best record of keeping people alive either, by your logic anyways.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Xerzaph

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You do realize that the S-IIIs had genetic criteria too right? Parandosky tried to expand it to allow more "average" kids in but was overruled. So don't fool yourself into thinking the S-IIIs were just average kids.



No, of course not, but it has been stated that Spartan II's are superior to Spartan III's in just about every way. In chief's case, he is the best spartan II. Not the fastest, strongest, or smartest, but the best.
Spartan III's never received the exact same augmentations as Spartan II's. Because III's nearly never died from surgery. It was less taxing, and less dramatic a change.


Now, they received the exact same augmentations bar one. It is called medical ADVANCES cause there to be a 0% washout rate.

And it's also been stated that S3 training was more intensive and better then Spartan 2 training, so your line about "In universe they say S2's are better then S3's in all ways." is false.


And the S-IIs(and NOBLE Team's) better genes caused the augmentations to have a greater effect. Also, I'm not saying there weren't criteria for S-IIIs, just that their genes were not as profound as the S-IIs'/NOBLE Team's. Also, they indeed had more intense training, but it was 2 years shorter and wasn't as individually focused as the S-IIs'. There is a quote somewhere that puts it at something like 2 or 3 S-IIIs for every 1 trainer. As compared to the S-II project, which had essentially the opposite of that.



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  • 12.11.2011 10:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

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Except in keeping teammates alive. Chief has a really bad habit of getting folks killed.


Really? I mean really? I'm guessing your example would be Reach, right? The situation were the S-IIs were sent to their deaths against immpossible odds with little choice otherwise? Or fighting in zero-gee while vastly outnumbered? He kept his squad alive (Besides Sam) for close to 30 years, and then you say he has a track record of getting people killed. So I guess that means Kurt has a bad record too right, because apparently one immpossible battle with many deaths overwrites his entire career aswell? What about NOBLE Team, they don't exactly have the best record of keeping people alive either, by your logic anyways.


Actually my examples span the series.

Arthur- The Package
Solomon- The Package
Sam- The Fall of Reach
Red Team (majority)- The Fall of Reach
Anton- First Strike
Li- First Strike
Vihn- First Strike
Isaac- First Strike
Sheila Polaski- First Strike
Srgt. Johnson- Halo 3

  • 12.11.2011 12:19 PM PDT