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Solomon should have waited, but Chief should have ordered him to stay. They are both at fault, Solomon didn't die because Chief is a bad leader. Solomon made a bad call, and Chief didn't try to stop him. One bad call doesn't ruin a history of success.

  • 12.12.2011 5:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Throughout the Halo series, let's just say John's situational awareness is just abysmal


Proof being?

And why is it Master Chief that is getting all this flak? What about all the S-IIs that died under Fred's commmand on Reach? What about all the people that died under Kurt's command on Onyx? Sure, you will call those invalid, but they are just as valid of your examples like The entire crew of the PoA, Most of the S-IIs on Reach, Isaac, Vinh, ect.

  • 12.12.2011 5:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Throughout the Halo series, let's just say John's situational awareness is just abysmal


Proof being?

And why is it Master Chief that is getting all this flak? What about all the S-IIs that died under Fred's commmand on Reach? What about all the people that died under Kurt's command on Onyx? Sure, you will call those invalid, but they are just as valid of your examples like The entire crew of the PoA, Most of the S-IIs on Reach, Isaac, Vinh, ect.


Chief's lack of awareness:

Being nearly infected by an Infection Form (The Flood)
Falling into a rebel trap despite Kurt warning him and his team (Ghosts of Onyx)
Having his suit torn by rebel gunfire (Ghosts of Onyx)
Being ambushed by Brutes despite seeing them on his motion tracker (First Strike)
Being ambushed by Grunts (The Flood)
Being ambushed again by Covenant forces (Halo: Uprising)

As for Fred's command, it was Reach.


  • 12.12.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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~Long Live Halo 2
Only regret is I didn't play more of it.

If you haven't noticed by now, I'm sort of a jerk.

Noble's Mjolnir armor is a modified version so that they can use it without being crushed under the pure weight of it. Chief's is still better and more advanced.

  • 12.12.2011 7:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Chief 1v1 anyone = Chief win.
John-117 is arguably the best Spartan II out there. He could probably beat Fred, Linda, or Kurt in a 1v1.
Versus Noble Six, Chief would probably win.

Chief vs Noble Team... Most likely, Noble would win. All are equipped with MJOLNIR armor, so even the Spartan III's are almost on parr with chief. Not to mention that Jorge is already a Spartan II.

However, simply because John is John, he'd pull something out of ass and kill everyone. Like a H.A.V.O.K nuke. And of course, he'd magically survive because Microsoft needs him for marketing.
Kurt, once he started training his own Spartans, could possibly be even with the John. Kurt is one Spartan to me, that is Johns equal.

  • 12.12.2011 7:27 PM PDT

Our big green style, cannot be defeated!
-Sgt. A.J. Johnson - Halo 2 - Metropolis

John would annihilate Noble Team. In his final test of the Mjolnir armor, he avoided so much gunfire & deflected a rocket. He also has Cortana on his side, who is actually very helpful. She calculates for him if needed & once saved him from a Flood parasite by using Johns own armor to electrocute it. Spartan IIs were all about stealth, if you read the books. John would win for sure if they had hand to hand combat, or in an arena/map where it was pitch black without his armor, because Spartan IIs quote: "Could practically see in the dark". -Halo: The Fall of Reach
(I remembered that last part because arguements about Spartans vs. ODSTs. Why need ODST armor when Spartan IIs could see in the dark, were hyper-lethal, & were technically, ninjas.)

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: superiorarsenal

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Throughout the Halo series, let's just say John's situational awareness is just abysmal


Proof being?

And why is it Master Chief that is getting all this flak? What about all the S-IIs that died under Fred's commmand on Reach? What about all the people that died under Kurt's command on Onyx? Sure, you will call those invalid, but they are just as valid of your examples like The entire crew of the PoA, Most of the S-IIs on Reach, Isaac, Vinh, ect.


Chief's lack of awareness:

Being nearly infected by an Infection Form (The Flood)
Falling into a rebel trap despite Kurt warning him and his team (Ghosts of Onyx)
Having his suit torn by rebel gunfire (Ghosts of Onyx)
Being ambushed by Brutes despite seeing them on his motion tracker (First Strike)
Being ambushed by Grunts (The Flood)
Being ambushed again by Covenant forces (Halo: Uprising)

As for Fred's command, it was Reach.




The infection form is valid, but you have to remember that that was after about two days straight fighting the Flood with no rest or sleep, or even really eating. Its actually pretty amazing that didn't happen sooner.

Kurt's "warning" was, "I've got a funny feeling." Not even a real warning. Also, how the hell was he supposed to be aware of gravitational pressure plate things that instantly caused him to black out?

I don't remember the suit being torn, but regardless, there was A LOT of fire on them, it wouldn't be weird that it did happen. I'll go look up exactly how that happened though before I make any sort of judgment.

First encounter, moving as fast as S-IIs, ect. Question, what should've he have done? Because there wasn't really anything he could've done.

The grunts fell on him from the ceiling above. That could've happened to anyone walking under them. So again, how was he supposed to do anything about something that he couldn't really even detect in the first place?

Yeah, when he was all alone on a 14km Keyship crawling with Covenant forces.

Yes, it was. But you are missing my point. By your logic, shouldn't Fred and Kurt have just as bad of a habit of losing teammates with the examples being Reach and Onyx? Yet nobody brings that up. I mean, both are similar to the types of examples that you were giving for Chief.

  • 12.12.2011 7:34 PM PDT


Posted by: st3althsniper22
Noble's Mjolnir armor is a modified version so that they can use it without being crushed under the pure weight of it. Chief's is still better and more advanced.


Proof? You have none. Noble team is wearing Mark V. if anything, the version 0.1% away from release style. Noble Team's Mark V, bar looks, IS exactly the same as Master Chief's mark V MJOLNIR.


Posted by: xecnalxes117
John would annihilate Noble Team. In his final test of the Mjolnir armor, he avoided so much gunfire & deflected a rocket. He also has Cortana on his side, who is actually very helpful. She calculates for him if needed & once saved him from a Flood parasite by using Johns own armor to electrocute it. Spartan IIs were all about stealth, if you read the books. John would win for sure if they had hand to hand combat, or in an arena/map where it was pitch black without his armor, because Spartan IIs quote: "Could practically see in the dark". -Halo: The Fall of Reach
(I remembered that last part because arguements about Spartans vs. ODSTs. Why need ODST armor when Spartan IIs could see in the dark, were hyper-lethal, & were technically, ninjas.)


John-117 bias much? Spartan III's can see just as well as Spartan II's can. They have just as good reflexes. John's weakness was hand to hand combat btw.

  • 12.12.2011 7:51 PM PDT

(this is to arsenal)Ahum, I'll just say this. If you see something moving just as fast, if not faster then your top speed in the room ahead... It's often wise to NOT simply walk in. Which is, IIRC, exactly what chief did. He simply took his team and walked straight into the door, causing him to be disabled by the brute grappling him (and nearly dying), and Grace to die instantly.

What could he have done? For one stack up against the doorway, in cover, while one person creeps, then dashes to cover. That person draws enemy fire allowing the people in cover to open fire and try to bring it down, or move inside into better cover.

[Edited on 12.12.2011 7:57 PM PST]

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: st3althsniper22
Noble's Mjolnir armor is a modified version so that they can use it without being crushed under the pure weight of it. Chief's is still better and more advanced.


Proof? You have none. Noble team is wearing Mark V. if anything, the version 0.1% away from release style. Noble Team's Mark V, bar looks, IS exactly the same as Master Chief's mark V MJOLNIR.


Posted by: xecnalxes117
John would annihilate Noble Team. In his final test of the Mjolnir armor, he avoided so much gunfire & deflected a rocket. He also has Cortana on his side, who is actually very helpful. She calculates for him if needed & once saved him from a Flood parasite by using Johns own armor to electrocute it. Spartan IIs were all about stealth, if you read the books. John would win for sure if they had hand to hand combat, or in an arena/map where it was pitch black without his armor, because Spartan IIs quote: "Could practically see in the dark". -Halo: The Fall of Reach
(I remembered that last part because arguements about Spartans vs. ODSTs. Why need ODST armor when Spartan IIs could see in the dark, were hyper-lethal, & were technically, ninjas.)


John-117 bias much? Spartan III's can see just as well as Spartan II's can. They have just as good reflexes. John's weakness was hand to hand combat btw.


Halsey noticed a big difference, but regardless, it still functions the same.

Just as good of reflexes? No. As I've already demonstrated(Unless you are talking about NOBLE S-IIIs, then you would be correct). And Master Chief's weakness being H2H. Let me guess your examples.

1)Elite in TFoR
2)Sword fight in The Package
3)Elite in First Strike
4)Brute in First Strike

1)Very unvalid. That Elite was said to be like a whole meter taller then him, it was said that was his first encounter with Elites(Which has since been changed), and it took place in zero-gee, which would make it much more difficult.

2)Hmmmm, I wonder who was going to win that one. The Elite that has likely trained extensively with the energy sword, or Chief, who has no real experience with it.

3)If anything he did good. The Elite was not only high-ranking, but had an energy sword as an advantage over him.

4)Ambush, combined with first encounter with Brutes and being locked in a grapple with a significantly stronger opponent(Which is very very bad). He actually won that battle with superior H2H skills.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
(this is to arsenal)Ahum, I'll just say this. If you see something moving just as fast, if not faster then your top speed in the room ahead... It's often wise to NOT simply walk in. Which is, IIRC, exactly what chief did. He simply took his team and walked straight into the door, causing him to be disabled by the brute grappling him (and nearly dying), and Grace to die instantly.

What could he have done? For one stack up against the doorway, in cover, while one person creeps, then dashes to cover. That person draws enemy fire allowing the people in cover to open fire and try to bring it down, or move inside into better cover.


I thought the Brutes came in from behind for the first time being detected? I'll go reread that part though to make sure.

  • 12.12.2011 8:03 PM PDT

Chief won that battle with a grenade, not superior H2H skills.

As for the overall encounter, It's been awhile since I've read it but what I remember is they spotted brutes on motion trackers, then walked in normally and got ambushed completely, with Grace being blown in half in the doorway/in the open.

  • 12.12.2011 8:29 PM PDT

If they don't suck it at first, just thrust and thrust til they do

The fact that cheif managed to fight his way into the core of a city of flood (high charity) and fought his way out is a feat unachieved by any other human/elite in history. Yes he may have been raised to be a team player but the events of halo 2 - 3 quickly capitalized on the fact that MC doesnt NEED a team to kick ass. He adapts quickly. On another note the s-II's were handpicked based on genes and physical and mental attributes simply put the creme of the crop. Yes it is true that noble team shared similar genes as the average s-II that allowed them to be augmented further to weild mjolnir armour but it was a modded version to suit their weaker s-III bodies. they still did not receive all the augments chief received.

anyways back to the discussion . MC wins
1. combat experience. MC has more experience fighting just about all enemies in the halo universe. six the same minus the flood which may have been the toughest enemy humanity faced

2. strength/speed/reflexes. Chief again but in this scenario not by a mile. but still significant enough. Yes six received similar augs but who said they developed to become as effective as that of an s-II? thats where the thyroid implant kicks in. sure they may have more or less the same augs but cheif's developed more to become alot more effective i.e increased muscle density, tougher skeletal frame, reaction time, and speed

3. armour/tech cheif by far no competition. mk VI vs mk V is self explanatory plus cortana? six can put his dmr down and walk away

4. hand to hand combat. 50 - 50 we rarely saw cheif get up close and personal with many enemies so ill give six the benfit of the doubt here. not saying he will dust cheif or anything

5.Badassery . They are both pretty hard ass mother-blam!-ers but ill have to give chief this one. again solely for the fact that he took high charity on and lived. that one achievement dwarfs most of six's by a mile. though six did save mc's life but then again anyone could have went into the Onager and done the same. Anyone couldnt have stormed a flood infested city and come out alive much less with a stable mind.

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  • 12.12.2011 10:15 PM PDT

I say Neither one wins and that Sgt. Johnson beats the crap out of the both of them!!

Nah I'll go with they kinda even (my opinion) but only Chief is better :)

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  • 12.12.2011 10:32 PM PDT

A: Augmentation results may have varied, but not by much. End result was mostly the same. The changes were medical advances to cut out the washouts, not weakening it. So no, Chief doesn't have a major advantage in muscle density, skeletal frame, reaction time, speed, etc.

B: THE ARMOR NOBLE TEAM WEARS IS MARK V. It is Mark V that chief wore, bar appearance. Come on, give me PROOF otherwise. Noble Team has only gotten ONE set of augmentations, the ones all the other S3's of their respective companies got. They wore Mark V armor, JUST like Chief. Come on, provide evidence of this so called 'weaker Mark V' or "modified to be useable by S3's Mark V". You'll be awhile as that evidence doesn't exist.

C: A single marine made it most of the way through the library on CE. The same place Chief had trouble with. I'd simply like to know how combat experience against the flood helps him against a spartan.

  • 12.13.2011 12:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Proof? You have none. Noble team is wearing Mark V. if anything, the version 0.1% away from release style. Noble Team's Mark V, bar looks, IS exactly the same as Master Chief's mark V MJOLNIR.


Master Chief is taller.... ^_^ But 6 can definitely move faster... Besides, chief had an override used on his suit once to run faster than it was supposed to. He tore his Achilles tendon. So he is unlikely to be capable of sprinting.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Augmentation results may have varied, but not by much. End result was mostly the same. The changes were medical advances to cut out the washouts, not weakening it. So no, Chief doesn't have a major advantage in muscle density, skeletal frame, reaction time, speed, etc.

B: THE ARMOR NOBLE TEAM WEARS IS MARK V. It is Mark V that chief wore, bar appearance. Come on, give me PROOF otherwise. Noble Team has only gotten ONE set of augmentations, the ones all the other S3's of their respective companies got. They wore Mark V armor, JUST like Chief. Come on, provide evidence of this so called 'weaker Mark V' or "modified to be useable by S3's Mark V". You'll be awhile as that evidence doesn't exist.

C: A single marine made it most of the way through the library on CE. The same place Chief had trouble with. I'd simply like to know how combat experience against the flood helps him against a spartan.


A:End result the same?The SIII's were smaller then the SII's(excluding the Noble spartans)

Look up at Chiefs weight,he's heavier then the Noble SIII's, so this might bebecause his mscles are denser or because the implants inside his bones .And we don't know the stats of the SIII's augmentation results so that point can't be judged by both of us.

But at least we know the Chief can hit harder then Six.
Six punch into an Elites face did nothing more then piss it off and stun it.
In the Flood novel te Chief reduces a Specops head into pulp with his fist.

B:Halo essential visual guide pg 119
Or 2011 version of the encyclopedia pg 97

Halopedian says so

If you have those books then you can check it but the Chiefs V armor is indeed a newer one then Noble's.

But i dunno the differences

C:At the point when the Flood infection presence wasn't strong as when Chief arrived because they haven't infected many hosts yet.

Simple Flood formula
The more time passes the more Flood forms there are.

@xerzaph

Unlikely to sprint?
Any healthy Human can sprint whenever he/she wants.You realise how many instances there where of Chief being able to sprint, your own example was Chief sprinting.

  • 12.13.2011 6:43 AM PDT


Posted by: Bombsoldier
The fact that cheif managed to fight his way into the core of a city of flood (high charity) and fought his way out is a feat unachieved by any other human/elite in history.Anyone couldnt have stormed a flood infested city and come out alive much less with a stable mind.



You are forgetting the Arbiter helped him break in. Cortana helped him break out once the Gravemind teleported him there. And who's to say he did come out with a stable mind? Halo 4 isn't even out yet and you're making baseless assumptions. 343 has already said they're taking Master Chief's character development to a level not yet seen.

  • 12.13.2011 7:58 AM PDT

The end results of the augmentations are mostly the same. There has been zero information published that says overall s3's augmentations are inferior. As they have never given us numbers for a spartan 3 post-augmentation.

Also, while that is new information to me, guess what? The armor John got was EXACTLY the same as Noble Team. Only difference being appearance and ability to hold an AI. Still no proof of Noble Team's Mark V being weaker or modified to be able to get use by a 'weaker s3'.

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  • 12.13.2011 10:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Augmentation results may have varied, but not by much. End result was mostly the same. The changes were medical advances to cut out the washouts, not weakening it. So no, Chief doesn't have a major advantage in muscle density, skeletal frame, reaction time, speed, etc.

B: THE ARMOR NOBLE TEAM WEARS IS MARK V. It is Mark V that chief wore, bar appearance. Come on, give me PROOF otherwise. Noble Team has only gotten ONE set of augmentations, the ones all the other S3's of their respective companies got. They wore Mark V armor, JUST like Chief. Come on, provide evidence of this so called 'weaker Mark V' or "modified to be useable by S3's Mark V". You'll be awhile as that evidence doesn't exist.

C: A single marine made it most of the way through the library on CE. The same place Chief had trouble with. I'd simply like to know how combat experience against the flood helps him against a spartan.


A:End result the same?The SIII's were smaller then the SII's(excluding the Noble spartans)

Look up at Chiefs weight,he's heavier then the Noble SIII's, so this might bebecause his mscles are denser or because the implants inside his bones .And we don't know the stats of the SIII's augmentation results so that point can't be judged by both of us.

But at least we know the Chief can hit harder then Six.
Six punch into an Elites face did nothing more then piss it off and stun it.
In the Flood novel te Chief reduces a Specops head into pulp with his fist.

B:Halo essential visual guide pg 119
Or 2011 version of the encyclopedia pg 97

Halopedian says so

If you have those books then you can check it but the Chiefs V armor is indeed a newer one then Noble's.

But i dunno the differences

C:At the point when the Flood infection presence wasn't strong as when Chief arrived because they haven't infected many hosts yet.

Simple Flood formula
The more time passes the more Flood forms there are.

@xerzaph

Unlikely to sprint?
Any healthy Human can sprint whenever he/she wants.You realise how many instances there where of Chief being able to sprint, your own example was Chief sprinting.


Yeah, they are smaller...because they are teenagers! The only adult Spartan III's that we've known about are Lucy, Tom and Noble Team and Lucy is the only one who gets her height mentioned, and even then it is clearly stated she is a little thing compared to the other Spartans of Beta Company.

True, they do not have the same armor. Noble Team and the Spartan II Commandos got the Mark V armor in November 2551, now, John was too busy in a mission or something because he didn't get it, buuut, he was able to get the second generation of the armor in August 2552, this new version was exactly the same as the one Noble and the other Spartan II's got save for the piggyback feature for the A.I.

The second major advancement, which was not implemented until the second generation of the suit, was the addition of a layer of computer memory superconductor that would allow an artificial intelligence to piggyback into the field with the operator to both provide and gather real-time intelligence.

And John could be heavier for various reasons, not just because of his implants or armor, and even then he is not that heavy compared to Noble Team. Carter weights 113kg outside of his armor, with John weighing 130 and if you're going to be pulling the whole "It's because he got denser muscles." Then how come Jorge is 15kg heavier than him? I know he is a Spartan II but they should be pretty similar if they got the same augmentation.

And the shield strength influences a lot, a punch to a shielded Zealot is not going to do the same than a punch to a shielded-unshielded Spec Ops Elite.

  • 12.13.2011 10:35 AM PDT

LOL @ this thread.


Anyways this time I chose Noble 6 cause in my head I was thinking 1 on 1 in Sabre's. Where is my Sabre Matchmaking game BLAM!

  • 12.13.2011 12:23 PM PDT
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Lack of situational awareness my ass!

Quote, Halo: First Strike pg 309

John cleared the stairs and skidded to a halt on the threshold of the temple. The interior was cold; external temperature readings were near freezing. Light filtered in through stained-glass windows in the ceiling--tinged lavender, cobalt, and turquoise. Three rows of giant columns made of blue-black basalt ran the length of the thirty-meter-long rectangular structure, casting long shadows. It was a good place for an ambush. He set his back against one of the pillars and swept the entrance, covering his team as they entered.
"Cortana, update on station security?" John said.
"There are dozens of reports on the security channels. I've got them covered."
Another Cortana voice broke in over the first: "also be advised, Chief, that there are ceremonial guards in this temple--a race we have not encountered before. Roughly translated from Covenant dialects, they are called "Brutes." They shouldn't be a significant threat or they would have been used in previous military situations."
John wasn't so sure of that. The name Brute didn't sound promosing. He also wondered why there now seemed to be more than one Cortana in the station's system--but that could wait. They had to keep moving now that they had revealed their position. He waved Blue Team forward.
John took point. He moved up to the next column in the middle of the building. Fred and Will stepped over to the columns on either side behind John. Grace had their backs.
There was a flicker on his motion sensor--just ahead. It vanished.
John held up his hand. Blue Team froze.
His motion detector was clear...but there had been something there.
He pulled out a frag grenade.
The transient contact was back--a shadow moved around the same pillar John used for cover. It moved faster than an Elite--as fast as John.
He fired his rifle point blank into the shadowy silhoutte. It didn't slow--it only howled with rage.
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Get your -blam!-ing facts straight. He not only did EXACTLY what you wanted him to, but he also saw the contact, ordered his team to stop, and pulled out a grenade. Not to mention he realised the minute he saw the area that it would be a good location for an ambush and proceeded accordingly.

In terms of Hand to hand combat:

Halo: First Strike pg 312-313

John had been in similar death-grip holds before--endless hours of training on the wrestling mats with his teammates and martial arts specialists provided by Chief Mendez. There were waysto escape a larger, stronger opponent. And there were also ways countermoves to those escapes. And countermoves to those counters. It was like a game of chess, except the pieces were arms and legs, torque and your center of mass...and most importantly your mind.
He pulled his knees to his chest, and tucked his torso toward his pelvis at the same time. He twisted ninety degrees and shot out both legs and arms, and uncoiled his body. The maneuver was called "shrimping."
John's head slipped from the Brute's grasp.
He used the monster's split second disorientation to scramble onto its back. John brought his elbow down on the base of the Brute's neck. He swept out its elbow, wrenched the joint around, and pushed it as far as it would go--far past the point any human's or Elite's would have snapped. John scissored his legs wide and pushed against the floor, leveraging his body to keep the Brute pinned.
/quote

Does it look like H2H was his weakness? He reversed the ceremonial Guard Brute's grapple and effectively pinned it to the ground, only THEn did he finish it off with a grenade, which is the most logical thing to do against an enemy that just took a large amount of bullets with little effect.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The end results of the augmentations are mostly the same. There has been zero information published that says overall s3's augmentations are inferior. As they have never given us numbers for a spartan 3 post-augmentation.

Also, while that is new information to me, guess what? The armor John got was EXACTLY the same as Noble Team. Only difference being appearance and ability to hold an AI. Still no proof of Noble Team's Mark V being weaker or modified to be able to get use by a 'weaker s3'.


Yes, the augmentations were the same. HOWEVER, it was the superior genes of the S-IIs and NOBLEs that caused the augmentations to have a FAR greater effect. For example, it says reaction time boosts of 300%, but S-II quality augmentees got a a 1400% reaction time boost. Mendez did afterall, say that the S-II candidates did FAR better than expected, and would get even better with time. The stats for the S-III augs were given AFTER they had been already seen in the S-IIs, and I'm pretty sure after the first batch of S-IIIs. That means those were the expected results for the S-IIIs, which they had already observed. In the case of S-IIIs like NOBLE Team did FAR greater than expected, and were thus taken out, given MJOLNIR, and were to operate like a S-II squad.

  • 12.13.2011 3:44 PM PDT

Arsenal, you have yet, and cannot ever prove that S3's didn't get a similar reaction time boost. Why? Because we have no damn numbers on them post-augmentations, besides a brief mention of speed during Torpedo.

Also, you conveniently cut out Grace's death, which I'm pretty dang sure she was standing in the open. And you cut out the fact Chief, using FULL force to pin the brute, was losing. It started pushing him up with a single arm, and if he didn't use the grenade he wouldn't have been in a pretty picture. Aka, his 'superior H2H skill' wasn't holding the brute down and if he didn't grenade it, it'd likely get him in a hold again and he was damn lucky to escape the first hold. Man, if we removed the plot shield of luck from chief, he'd be dead a few times over huh?

You never did understand that if the augmentation gives a base boost of 300% to reaction speed, but let's see ends up giving an even larger one, they won't go "Let's change the damn label to 1400%." Why? Because that's on a person by person basis. 300% boost is guaranteed, stuff beyond isn't for everybody. Seeing as the augmentations came straight from the S2's, and it's the exact same ones, bar application methods... The fact the label says 300% based on your theory = interesting. Cause shouldn't they go "This'll give a 1400% increase in reaction speed?"

Also, those numbers are simply the labels, NOT given from post augmentation training exercises like S2s. Tell me, if drug A is used in something, then used again, are they going to mass recall and swap out the labels because the effects were greater? Not at all. They might go "You might get better effects from it." but they aren't going to change the label.

[Edited on 12.13.2011 4:44 PM PST]

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