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Subject: What would you think about a Bungie.net friends list?

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How can you communicate with users quicker if there is no chat function? Messaging someone is not chatting. Its a game of phone tag. You can message someone at any time and they will message you back when they are online whether you are or not. It's as quick and efficient as it can be while it is not an instantaneous function (like a chat feature) considering each person responds to it when they are online, right what they are online (typically).
Posted by: ctjl96
Friends List: Used to communicate with other users quicker and remember specific users easier.

...Is this a real question?
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
K... cool... How does that help you in the slightest or accomplish any goal whatsoever?

  • 09.21.2011 8:04 PM PDT

You don't want it implemented because you don't think it has a 'use.' How would it affect you at all if it was implemented? Why are you so vehemently opposed to the idea?

Your logic is flawed.
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  • 09.21.2011 8:04 PM PDT

We were somewhere around Barstow...

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I have no problem with Socialization. But socialization for the sake of socialization with no rhyme, reason, point, or meaning is ridiculously and confusingly out of place on BNet.

True, but they probably plan to either expand on Bnet or set up something new altogether.

  • 09.21.2011 8:04 PM PDT

Key

My logic isn't flawed because of the fact that you don't like it. My logic is completely sound. There is absolutely no reason for a friends list feature without the integration of a chat feature to go with it. None. Zero. Zilch.
Posted by: ctjl96
You don't want it implemented because you don't think it has a 'use.' How would it affect you at all if it was implemented? Why are you so vehemently opposed to the idea?

Your logic is flawed.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

  • 09.21.2011 8:06 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

... Really?

There is always a purpose to a feature. We spend lots of time scoping our very limited engineering time to make sure we only work on stuff that matters.

Nobody suggesting new features thinks we should have it because they want to fill a checkbox. They suggest them because they think it would be a good addition.

Making a dumb analogy that isn't related to the discussion at hand is a silly way of trying to distract everyone from your opinion that you don't think Bungie.net needs the feature in question. So, just say "I don't like that idea", provide a reason, and you're done. Everyone else can enjoy the discussion and you can be confident that everyone knows that you fear change.

How about everyone on this board assume that the web team will properly scope our engineering/design resources, and just focus on concepts when talking about stuff like this? Cutting from theoretical development plans that don't even exist is not your job.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Implementing a feature for the sake of implementing a feature is stupid, in my honest opinion.

  • 09.21.2011 8:07 PM PDT

THANK YOU.
Posted by: Achronos
... Really?

There is always a purpose to a feature. We spend lots of time scoping our very limited engineering time to make sure we only work on stuff that matters.

Nobody suggesting new features thinks we should have it because they want to fill a checkbox. They suggest them because they think it would be a good addition.

Making a dumb analogy that isn't related to the discussion at hand is a silly way of trying to distract everyone from your opinion that you don't think Bungie.net needs the feature in question. So, just say "I don't like that idea", provide a reason, and you're done. Everyone else can enjoy the discussion and you can be confident that everyone knows that you fear change.

How about everyone on this board assume that the web team will properly scope our engineering/design resources, and just focus on concepts when talking about stuff like this? Cutting from theoretical development plans that don't even exist is not your job.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Implementing a feature for the sake of implementing a feature is stupid, in my honest opinion.

  • 09.21.2011 8:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
But no, instead, we get "Bungie.net is not Facebook", which, if you really think about it, means absolutely nothing at all. *rolls eyes*


[Edited on 09.21.2011 8:14 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2011 8:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Making a dumb analogy that isn't related to the discussion at hand is a silly way of trying to distract everyone from your opinion that you don't think Bungie.net needs the feature in question. So, just say "I don't like that idea", provide a reason, and you're done. Everyone else can enjoy the discussion and you can be confident that everyone knows that you fear change.

How about everyone on this board assume that the web team will properly scope our engineering/design resources, and just focus on concepts when talking about stuff like this? Cutting from theoretical development plans that don't even exist is not your job.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Implementing a feature for the sake of implementing a feature is stupid, in my honest opinion.
I never said that you WOULD implement a feature for the sake of implementing a feature. And I've said several times on this thread that I would be perfectly FINE and OPEN to the idea of a Friends List as long as it included a chat feature in the same update that would introduce it. However, this thread does not include that idea in the OP. And the thing I've been arguing is that the friends list feature would be useless without a chat feature, I haven't been arguing for the complete "Un-Facebook-ization" of BNet. You should probably read the rest of my posts in this thread, they're all bunched together. Should be an easy read.

Also, I don't "fear change". And you assuming that I do fear change just because of the fact that I wouldn't like a feature to be implemented that you are inclined towards doesn't mean I fear change. I could say that you're using propaganda by putting words in my mouth and making me look stupid, but I'm not going to because that would be exaggerating the situation, (as you've done with my situation, already).

Final thing, who said it was my job to cut any "theoretical development plans"? Not me. I just offered an opinion. You're going to do what you're going to do despite this post, or any of the other countless ones I've made in this thread. I'm not going to sway you one way or the other with anything that I say considering the fact that you already think that my opinion is ridiculous based on the "fact" that I "fear change".

[Edited on 09.21.2011 8:18 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2011 8:16 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

When friends head to a bar for some after-work drinks, and all they do is chill and chat with each other, they are socializing. At the same time, it could be argued that this socialization has no purpose.

You are suggesting that simply facilitating easier contact between members (in a theoretical world where a "Friends List" is just a list of bnet profiles that you can have, with no additional functionality) is a bad thing, because it has no point.

Are you seriously suggesting that such enabling technology, as simple as it is, is bad because it doesn't give users a specific purpose? I mean, it is okay to say that a friends list would be "better" with new features x, y, and z, but useless/bad without them? That's silly.

Facilitating communication is a purpose until itself. When humans communicate, you get fascinating emergent behavior that always justifies the effort of lowering the barriers. Case in point - the creation of the Internet itself.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I know that socialization of the site would be a good thing, all I'm saying is that socialization should have a purpose. Friends list would work coupled with the inclusion of a chat feature. But JUST a friends list wouldn't make sense.

(I know this wasn't directed at me, obviously, just figured I'd put in my two cents considering I'm one of the people talking about how it would be bad on the thread)

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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

I have reason to believe that Bungie has wanted some type of chat/online-offline feature for a couple years...2009 I think....when the profiles to updated.

Anyways, I believe they wanted this feature back then due to the fact that right next to our Join Date is an Archived icon. At first I assumed it was another little thing for members, like the titles, but everyone seems to have it in their profile. It makes me think that it means "offline" and being "online" would have been the new thread icon.

There are probably a couple reasons why this was never fully implemented, and why it's remained so long.

That, or I have a wild imagination :P

  • 09.21.2011 8:19 PM PDT

This happens often when disagreeing with Mods/Admins. They tend to do that.

Also, he was right. Obviously the Web Team wouldn't be talking about it if they thought it was 'stupid.'
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I could say that you're using propaganda by putting words in my mouth and making me look stupid

  • 09.21.2011 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
When humans communicate, you get fascinating emergent behavior that always justifies the effort of lowering the barriers.
I don't know. Your mom wasn't worth the effort of lowering the barriers.

  • 09.21.2011 8:21 PM PDT

Probably the latter, LOL! Maybe Achronos will clarify on the matter.
Posted by: Duardo
I have reason to believe that Bungie has wanted some type of chat/online-offline feature for a couple years...2009 I think....when the profiles to updated.

Anyways, I believe they wanted this feature back then due to the fact that right next to our Join Date is an Archived icon. At first I assumed it was another little thing for members, like the titles, but everyone seems to have it in their profile. It makes me think that it means "offline" and being "online" would have been the new thread icon.

There are probably a couple reasons why this was never fully implemented, and why it's remained so long.

That, or I have a wild imagination :P

  • 09.21.2011 8:22 PM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

Posted by: Achronos
... Really?

There is always a purpose to a feature. We spend lots of time scoping our very limited engineering time to make sure we only work on stuff that matters.

Nobody suggesting new features thinks we should have it because they want to fill a checkbox. They suggest them because they think it would be a good addition.

Making a dumb analogy that isn't related to the discussion at hand is a silly way of trying to distract everyone from your opinion that you don't think Bungie.net needs the feature in question. So, just say "I don't like that idea", provide a reason, and you're done. Everyone else can enjoy the discussion and you can be confident that everyone knows that you fear change.

How about everyone on this board assume that the web team will properly scope our engineering/design resources, and just focus on concepts when talking about stuff like this? Cutting from theoretical development plans that don't even exist is not your job.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Implementing a feature for the sake of implementing a feature is stupid, in my honest opinion.
Snipes had a legitimate argument. I wouldn't say that I'm siding with his opinion but I do agree with a few points. He gave his thoughts on the idea and an explanation as to why he felt the way he did. I agree, if a friends list were added, I would like a few added options/features to be packaged along with it.

I would like to have a list of users to see when they are online and be able to send a quick message if I wanted to. Possibly a user status showing what the individual was doing at the moment (which forum/chapter they were browsing, viewing a news topic, etc.)

  • 09.21.2011 8:23 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

No, you got into trouble using hyperbole to make the other side (those arguing that a simple friends list is enough) look bad, in order to make your opinion look stronger. Trying to continue this hyperbole made you look stupid, when you could have just said "i think a friends list would be interesting if they hooked it up to a chat feature" instead of trying to make an existential argument out of it.

The real problem here is that the argument is silly - you guys have no information on what our limitations might be when making new stuff, so you shouldn't try assuming what they are. Instead of arguing over a friends list should or shouldn't be done, the question should be "if a friends list existed, how would you want bungie to make it work, and how would you want existing systems to change to accomodate it". That's an interesting conversation, where this one is bordering on the dumb side.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I could say that you're using propaganda by putting words in my mouth and making me look stupid


[Edited on 09.21.2011 8:27 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2011 8:25 PM PDT

Clearly Achronos has every intention of implemeting it and will spend all resources on the task. This is evidenced by reading between the lines of his posts. I for one think it is a great idea! But if he or the moderators do not then I do not either.

I have two responses. One is 'lolcool'and the other a generic 'this is not a social networking site.' Depending on the mood of the day. As long as my answer is generic and popular then it is OK.

PS really though... I do not care eithe way for this feature. Seems unnecessary but I would not actively oppose it. Eh.

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Posted by: American Recoil

I would like to have a list of users to see when they are online and be able to send a quick message if I wanted to. Possibly a user status showing what the individual was doing at the moment (which forum/chapter they were browsing, viewing a news topic, etc.)



At the very least this should be implemented so we could see the Mod teams activities.
Its a good idea, and if does happen, I think it'll be a significant improvement.

[Edited on 09.21.2011 8:27 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2011 8:26 PM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."

To be honest, it would hassle me far less not only for a friend's list, but some sort of "follow" list. There are several people that I've grown to habitually read the posts of simply because they have so many great thoughts on different matters.

I suppose there is an argument to be made that friends list might encourage cliques and make the community less approachable. This isn't a super big concern, though it did occur to me.

Regardless, this idea intrigues me.

  • 09.21.2011 8:29 PM PDT
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Don't we have groups for this kind of thing? Those work just fine for communication between comrades. They can discuss in their forum. They can give updates.

I'm just saying. I wouldn't mind the feature, but so much -blam!- has been recommended by plenty of users on this site, yet an incredibly small percentile of those ideas have been implemented at all in any way.

  • 09.21.2011 8:30 PM PDT

We were somewhere around Barstow...

Posted by: Achronos
When friends head to a bar for some after-work drinks, and all they do is chill and chat with each other, they are socializing. At the same time, it could be argued that this socialization has no purpose.

The purpose is drinking, chatting and chilling.

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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

If real-time chat is not possible, it would still be cool to have a friends list with the option of sending them a PM if possible. I know you've recently updated the system to keep track of the conversation and will probably implement it soon. It would be nice to not have to load another page to send said PM if something like this were implemented.
Posted by: Achronos
...the question should be "if a friends list existed, how would you want bungie to make it work, and how would you want existing systems to change to accomodate it". That's an interesting conversation...

  • 09.21.2011 8:31 PM PDT

Key

You used a blatant lie to make the other side look bad. Nothing I said at all hinted that I was afraid of change, but merely that I was not in favor of the specific change proposed without additional change "packaged" with it unless someone could give me a specific way that communication would be enhanced via the implementation of a friends list feature. How is my hyperbole stupid while yours is acceptable?
Posted by: Achronos
No, you got into trouble using hyperbole to make the other side (those arguing that a simple friends list is enough) look bad, in order to make your opinion look stronger. Trying to continue this hyperbole made you look stupid, when you could have just said "i think a friends list would be interesting if they hooked it up to a chat feature" instead of trying to make an existential argument out of it.

The real problem here is that the argument is silly - you guys have no information on what our limitations might be when making new stuff, so you shouldn't try assuming what they are. Instead of arguing over a friends list should or shouldn't be done, the question should be "if a friends list existed, how would you want bungie to make it work, and how would you want existing systems to change to accomodate it". That's an interesting conversation, where this one is bordering on the dumb side.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I could say that you're using propaganda by putting words in my mouth and making me look stupid

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Posted by: homocidalham

I suppose there is an argument to be made that friends list might encourage cliques and make the community less approachable. This isn't a super big concern, though it did occur to me.

Regardless, this idea intrigues me.


Surely no more so that the current Groups do.
Even without groups you naturally develop friends simply by being on at similar times for a few years, or sharing similar views.
I can't see how a Friends List would cause any more cliquey behaviour.
It'd just communication a little easier.

As for the workings - a simple extra page akin to 'saved threads'. A list of people you've added to it to provide easier messaging (IM would be nice though I can't say I'd expect it at all) and perhaps an online status next to their name. It certainly doesn't need to be fancy or overly complicated. Name, option to message, and status.
As that annoying Meerkat on TV says, "Simples".

[Edited on 09.21.2011 8:36 PM PDT]

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