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Subject: Spartan II's, III's, and Noble Team

Generalizations.
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A lot of people do not seem to understand the differences, so I'm going to map them out.

SUMMARY:
- Although both II's and III's were given similar augmentations, the II's adapted to them much better because of their naturally superior DNA. Spartan II's have higher quality natural DNA.

- Spartan II's are more effective in battle mainly because they have MJOLNIR armor, while the Spartan III's had the much weaker SPI armor.

- When the Spartan III candidates were first screened, they found that some of them had Spartan II quality DNA. These candidates were pulled out, given MJOLNIR, and dubbed Noble Team (Jorge was added later).

Augmentations

Spartan II's come from an extremely selective gene pool; only the very finest children with the very finest DNA were conscripted.
They were given chemical augmentations that gave them super speed, strength, agility, and reaction times. Due to their naturally superior DNA, the augmentations went beyond expectations and their abilities improved as they got older. For example, Kelly's speed increasing from 34 to 39mph as she grew older.
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Spartan III's came from a wider gene pool, and given very similar augmentations as the II's. Although they too gained super speed and strength, they are not quite as good as a Spartan II. This is because the III's had inferior DNA by comparison, so their bodies did not take to the augmentations as well as a Spartan II, although they still became incredible killing machines.
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Without their armor on, a Spartan II is better to a Spartan III; although they were given similar augmentations, the Spartan II's adapted to them better because of their superior DNA. This isn't a huge difference, but it's still notable.

Armor

Both II's and III's are capable of wearing MJOLNIR, but only the II's are issued it.

Although a Spartan II is powerful without battle armor, the MJOLNIR multiplies his abilities by tenfold. It drastically increases his strength and speed and is what makes the Spartan II so deadly in battle.
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Normally, Spartan III's are issued cheap SPI armor, which offers Active Camo and body armor, but has no energy shielding or power multipliers. It has none of the strength enhancements of the MJOLNIR.
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When compared in their respective armors, the Spartan II's vastly outmatch the Spartan III's, mainly because MJOLNIR armor is vastly superior to SPI armor.

Noble Team

This is where Noble Team comes in. Noble Team consists of Spartan III's that were issued MJOLNIR. Why do they get MJOLNIR, you ask?
Remember how the Spartan III's were chosen from a wider DNA pool? When they screened the candidates, they found that some of them had Spartan II quality DNA.
This meant that these higher quality candidates would adapt to the augmentations almost as well as a Spartan II. Although all Spartan III's are capable of MJOLNIR, these candidates were best qualified due to their better DNA.
These candidates were pulled out, given MJOLNIR. and dubbed Noble Team.
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Essentially, Noble Team consists of high quality Spartan III's and a Spartan II. These high quality III's are (almost) genetically and physically on parr with II's.

[Edited on 10.09.2011 12:32 AM PDT]

  • 09.20.2011 9:27 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

Edited a few things.

  • 09.20.2011 10:09 PM PDT

Nice, though I would still say Spartan II's are much more physically stronger that SIII's, even if they both lack armor.

Nice post

10/10

  • 09.21.2011 1:01 AM PDT

I'm an Anarchist. I don't need a government to be a good person, but I'm glad it's here because some of you clearly do.

I'm not challenging the credibility of your post, but I'd like to see sources.

  • 09.21.2011 3:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
A lot of people do not seem to understand the differences, so I'm going to map them out.

SUMMARY:
- Although both II's and III's were given similar augmentations, the II's adapted to them much better because of their naturally superior DNA. Spartan II's have higher quality natural DNA.

- Spartan II's are more effective in battle mainly because they have MJOLNIR armor, while the Spartan III's had the much weaker SPI armor.

- When the Spartan III candidates were first screened, they found that some of them had Spartan II quality DNA. These candidates were pulled out, given MJOLNIR, and dubbed Noble Team (Jorge was added later).

Augmentations

Spartan II's come from an extremely selective gene pool; only the very finest children with the very finest DNA were conscripted.
They were given chemical augmentations that gave them super speed, strength, agility, and reaction times. Due to their naturally superior DNA, the augmentations went beyond expectations and their abilities improved as they got older.
------------------
Spartan III's came from a wider gene pool, and given very similar augmentations as the II's. Although they too gained super speed and strength, they are not quite as good as a Spartan II. This is because the III's had inferior DNA by comparison, so their bodies did not take to the augmentations as well as a Spartan II.
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Without their armor on, a Spartan II is better to a Spartan III; although they were given similar augmentations, the Spartan II's adapted to them better because of their superior DNA.

Armor

Both II's and III's are capable of wearing MJOLNIR, but only the II's are issued it.

Although a Spartan II is powerful without battle armor, the MJOLNIR multiplies his abilities by tenfold. It drastically increases his strength and speed and is what makes the Spartan II so deadly in battle.
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Normally, Spartan III's are issued cheap SPI armor, which offers Active Camo and body armor, but has no energy shielding or power multipliers. It has none of the strength enhancements of the MJOLNIR.
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When compared in their respective armors, the Spartan II's vastly outmatch the Spartan III's, mainly because MJOLNIR armor is vastly superior to SPI armor.

Noble Team

This is where Noble Team comes in. Noble Team consists of Spartan III's that were issued MJOLNIR. Why do they get MJOLNIR, you ask?
Remember how the Spartan III's were chosen from a wider DNA pool? When they screened the candidates, they found that some of them had Spartan II quality DNA.
This meant that these higher quality candidates would adapt to the augmentations almost as well as a Spartan II. These candidates were pulled out, given MJOLNIR, paired with Jorge-052, and dubbed Noble Team.
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Essentially, Noble Team consists of high quality Spartan III's and a Spartan II. These high quality III's are (almost) genetically and physically on parr with II's.


So, a team of Spartan III's with Spartan II genes are not equal to Spartan II's? The hell?

  • 09.21.2011 1:03 PM PDT

nice work if i knew you i pin the medal on you myself :)

  • 09.21.2011 1:11 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Noble Team was originally a team of Spartan III's.

Jorge was a replacement later on after its activation, since Carter and Kat are Noble's only suriving original team members.

  • 09.21.2011 1:14 PM PDT

Also, it's doubtful that of all of beta and alpha companys, there was only 5 or so that had Spartan II genes.

Originally the S2 program was supposed to have 300 some spartans, and they had identified 150 that had the genetic markers. I'd say there was a fair amount of people passing down the S2 genes...

  • 09.21.2011 1:19 PM PDT

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You have to remember that there were more SIII members before jun, emile, and noble 6. Kat and carter are the only surviving members of the original noble team, so no one can really say how many members have been replaced up until the current team (before they all died of course) Therefore, any members who were on the team before jun, emile, or noble 6, and was a SIII could have been given MJOLINIR armor.

  • 09.21.2011 1:44 PM PDT

Spartan IIs and Spartan III had different augmentations.
The one of the IIIs had less risks but did less, the IIs required genetic superiority or else that person vvould die.

Edit: forgot to say the IIs augmentation did the job better but had much more risk.

[Edited on 09.21.2011 2:08 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2011 2:08 PM PDT


Posted by: ChrisVN
Spartan IIs and Spartan III had different augmentations.
The one of the IIIs had less risks but did less, the IIs required genetic superiority or else that person vvould die.

Edit: forgot to say the IIs augmentation did the job better but had much more risk.


No, you have it wrong. The Spartan II's were probably the first ever to get these kinds of augmentations. They were risky, and it far from perfected.

The Spartan III's got the SAME augmentations, however MEDICAL ADVANCES caused them to be safer, with no washouts, but have the same, or near exactly the same end results.

It has never been proved the Augmentations shared between Spartan II's and III's did more for the 2's compared to the 3's. There is a lack of information post-augmentation concerning it. Though a S3 in SPI armor did hold her ground against kelly for a short while IIRC.

  • 09.21.2011 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: ChrisVN
Spartan IIs and Spartan III had different augmentations.
The one of the IIIs had less risks but did less, the IIs required genetic superiority or else that person vvould die.

Edit: forgot to say the IIs augmentation did the job better but had much more risk.

Did less? where does it say that, apart from an augmentations that made spartan 2s 1 or 3 inches taller...

Hell spartan 3 gamma class got an extra augmentations that made them take more and handle more...

  • 09.21.2011 2:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ChrisVN
Spartan IIs and Spartan III had different augmentations.
The one of the IIIs had less risks but did less, the IIs required genetic superiority or else that person vvould die.

Edit: forgot to say the IIs augmentation did the job better but had much more risk.


No, you have it wrong. The Spartan II's were probably the first ever to get these kinds of augmentations. They were risky, and it far from perfected.

The Spartan III's got the SAME augmentations, however MEDICAL ADVANCES caused them to be safer, with no washouts, but have the same, or near exactly the same end results.

It has never been proved the Augmentations shared between Spartan II's and III's did more for the 2's compared to the 3's. There is a lack of information post-augmentation concerning it. Though a S3 in SPI armor did hold her ground against kelly for a short while IIRC.

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  • 09.21.2011 2:27 PM PDT

Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

edit: Heck, I just looked at it, the growth hormone was required to actually make the unbreakable bone augmentation take/affect the entire skeletal system, as opposed to the S3 one which didn't require it.

Sounds like S3 one was better there no?

[Edited on 09.21.2011 2:35 PM PDT]

  • 09.21.2011 2:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

CHECK THE FREAKING LINKS OR READ THE BOOKS.
Overall, SpartanIIs vvere bigger.
They could jump higher and run faster (reason vvhy you jump lovver and run slovver in Reach.).

  • 09.21.2011 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

edit: Heck, I just looked at it, the growth hormone was required to actually make the unbreakable bone augmentation take/affect the entire skeletal system, as opposed to the S3 one which didn't require it.

Sounds like S3 one was better there no?

Safer, nearly same result but less chance of failure.

  • 09.21.2011 2:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ChrisVN

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

CHECK THE FREAKING LINKS OR READ THE BOOKS.
Overall, SpartanIIs vvere bigger.
They could jump higher and run faster (reason vvhy you jump lovver and run slovver in Reach.).


I've read those links many times, and I've read the books.

Your final statement is completely -blam!- laughable, I guess Master chief was a Spartan 3 in Halo CE then huh? Cause he moved slower, jumped not as high (similar to Reach infact), and took fall damage.

Also, I looked, really that growth hormone one? Was a major thing that allowed the others to work. As I just read it, it sounded like the other augmentations would've failed without it. Thus... the fact S3's didn't get it means the S3 augmentations were better, because they did not need a specialized treatment just to make the rest work at full capacity.

  • 09.21.2011 2:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ChrisVN

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

CHECK THE FREAKING LINKS OR READ THE BOOKS.
Overall, SpartanIIs vvere bigger.
They could jump higher and run faster (reason vvhy you jump lovver and run slovver in Reach.).


I've read those links many times, and I've read the books.

Your final statement is completely -blam!- laughable, I guess Master chief was a Spartan 3 in Halo CE then huh? Cause he moved slower, jumped not as high (similar to Reach infact), and took fall damage.

Also, I looked, really that growth hormone one? Was a major thing that allowed the others to work. As I just read it, it sounded like the other augmentations would've failed without it. Thus... the fact S3's didn't get it means the S3 augmentations were better, because they did not need a specialized treatment just to make the rest work at full capacity.

Noble 6 runs at a max of 30kph, most spartan IIs run 55kph+.
Also I NEVER said fall damage vvas involved vvith augmentation.

  • 09.21.2011 2:48 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: ChrisVN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: ChrisVN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

CHECK THE FREAKING LINKS OR READ THE BOOKS.
Overall, SpartanIIs vvere bigger.
They could jump higher and run faster (reason vvhy you jump lovver and run slovver in Reach.).


I've read those links many times, and I've read the books.

Your final statement is completely -blam!- laughable, I guess Master chief was a Spartan 3 in Halo CE then huh? Cause he moved slower, jumped not as high (similar to Reach infact), and took fall damage.

Also, I looked, really that growth hormone one? Was a major thing that allowed the others to work. As I just read it, it sounded like the other augmentations would've failed without it. Thus... the fact S3's didn't get it means the S3 augmentations were better, because they did not need a specialized treatment just to make the rest work at full capacity.

Noble 6 runs at a max of 30kph


Where does it say that he runs at 30kph?

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That's some nice fan fiction you got there. You have no sources for you to jump to that conclusion.

  • 09.21.2011 2:52 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: ChrisVN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: ChrisVN
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Ahum, you haven't proved the Spartan II augmentations shared with Spartan III's magically did more or were better with that.

CHECK THE FREAKING LINKS OR READ THE BOOKS.
Overall, SpartanIIs vvere bigger.
They could jump higher and run faster (reason vvhy you jump lovver and run slovver in Reach.).


I've read those links many times, and I've read the books.

Your final statement is completely -blam!- laughable, I guess Master chief was a Spartan 3 in Halo CE then huh? Cause he moved slower, jumped not as high (similar to Reach infact), and took fall damage.

Also, I looked, really that growth hormone one? Was a major thing that allowed the others to work. As I just read it, it sounded like the other augmentations would've failed without it. Thus... the fact S3's didn't get it means the S3 augmentations were better, because they did not need a specialized treatment just to make the rest work at full capacity.

Noble 6 runs at a max of 30kph


Where does it say that he runs at 30kph?

Link is in this topic.

  • 09.21.2011 2:56 PM PDT

Chris, it says NOTHING about Noble Six in that topic. It says Thom, at age 12-14, ran 30mph during combat. I doubt you'd be running full speed in a battle because that'd throw aim off.

That is also in SPI armor. Six is A: Older, and has grown fully.

B: in MJOLNIR.

You must've missed the entire sentance. During Operation: TORPEDO, Tom-B292 ran at a speed of 30 KPH (around 18 MPH) it is unknown how fast the SPARTAN-IIIs can run compared to the SPARTAN-IIs, but it should be noted that he was 12 at the time.

That sentance never says Noble Six can run at a total max of 30 KPH.

  • 09.21.2011 3:26 PM PDT

Generalizations.
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Regarding some sources:

Spartan II augmentations came from Halo: The Fall of Reach and from some pages in Halsey's journal. In the first 100 pages of the novel, it talks about the Spartan training and their augmentations, and Mendez notes that their bodies adapted to the augmentations much better than expected.

Most of the information regarding the Spartan III augmentations come from page 102 of Ghosts of Onyx. I literally sat here with the book open at my side as I typed this.

  • 09.21.2011 4:55 PM PDT


Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Regarding some sources:

Spartan II augmentations came from Halo: The Fall of Reach and from some pages in Halsey's journal. In the first 100 pages of the novel, it talks about the Spartan training and their augmentations, and Mendez notes that their bodies adapted to the augmentations much better than expected.

Most of the information regarding the Spartan III augmentations come from page 102 of Ghosts of Onyx. I literally sat here with the book open at my side as I typed this.


Yeah, and overall which did we get information post-augmentations from?

Spartan II's. Post augmentations we have next to no information about them, especially those with experiance.

  • 09.21.2011 5:04 PM PDT

Good summary but you forgot the major differences from the chemical cocktail of augments the SIII's were given...

Basically creating a raging bull of a Spartan when they were near death. Basically like a beserk mode as a final death throw.

That cocktail enables them to keep fighting beyond their maximum limits knowing they are about to die.

  • 09.21.2011 5:12 PM PDT

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