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Subject: John 117 vs Fred-104

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  • 09.23.2011 4:56 PM PDT

i think they would do just about the same

  • 09.23.2011 5:01 PM PDT
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They are equals in skills in all but one department. Master Chief has a slight edge in leadership. That would give him a small percentage of a bonus, but certianly under 5%. Anything under 5% difference is basically equal, as that 5% could be effected by a multitude of factors that would change it easily.

  • 09.23.2011 5:06 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Fred was always the send-best at everything, but he held back because he didn't like the attention. Fred would do just as good if not better than John. Heck, he killed two Elites using two combat knives by himself.

  • 09.23.2011 5:06 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Fred was always the send-best at everything, but he held back because he didn't like the attention. Fred would do just as good if not better than John. Heck, he killed two Elites using two combat knives by himself.

  • 09.23.2011 5:07 PM PDT
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Your example is an event that holds no real grounds against another S-II.

Biased example is biased

I could start highlighting Master Chief's abilities(I have actual quotes on another site for some).

  • 09.23.2011 5:10 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
Your example is an event that holds no real grounds against another S-II.

Biased example is biased

I could start highlighting Master Chief's abilities(I have actual quotes on another site for some).

Maybe not. However, I do know John fought a single Elite in an Energy Sword duel and lost the duel and only survived because the Shipmaster separated the ship. Fred used two inferior combat knives against two Energy Sword using Elites and killed them.

I know who the better Elite fighter is.

  • 09.23.2011 5:13 PM PDT
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Wow, another show of biased

Master Chief was fighting an Elite with mastery of the Energy sword when he himself has little experience with it.

Fred killed 2 elites with most likely average energy sword training(For an Elite) with 2 knives he has trained(and all other S-IIs) extensively with.

Skill-wise they are equal besides MC being a slightly better leader, so basically it comes down to "Who do I like more, so that person should win."

Anyways, Fred isn't even a H2H specialist, that is Will and Kelly(Due to her speed). MC could probably use a knife just aswell as Fred, considering they are the 2 best leaders(Not counting Kurt) and the most well-rounded of the S-IIs

  • 09.23.2011 5:21 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: superiorarsenal
Wow, another show of biased


It's bias, not biased.

Master Chief was fighting an Elite with mastery of the Energy sword when he himself has little experience with it.

Fred killed 2 elites with most likely average energy sword training(For an Elite) with 2 knives he has trained(and all other S-IIs) extensively with.


First off, how do you know the other Elite's had average skill levels with the swords? You say most likely, yet have no real reference to back it up with. Second, I'm sure Chief is handy with knives. Never said he wasn't. All I said was that Fred used knives inferior to Energy Swords, which they are.

Skill-wise they are equal besides MC being a slightly better leader, so basically it comes down to "Who do I like more, so that person should win."

Depends on what you mean by better leader. In training sure, but Chief has the fatal flaw of always wanting to finish the mission at any cost. On it's now, that is admirable. However, in First Strike, after taking the Ascendent Justice and only having the combined crew of Cortana, Johnson, an ODST named Locklear, a pilot named Polaski, and an ONI agent named Haverson, he still wanted to do to the then unknown Covenant homeworld and capture a Prophet.

Pretty narrow focused given the situation. Fred makes errors, in the same book he broadcasted a "Brace for impact" message to a ton of nearby ships by mistake.

Anyways, Fred isn't even a H2H specialist, that is Will and Kelly(Due to her speed). MC could probably use a knife just aswell as Fred, considering they are the 2 best leaders(Not counting Kurt) and the most well-rounded of the S-IIs

Answered above.


[Edited on 09.23.2011 5:47 PM PDT]

  • 09.23.2011 5:31 PM PDT
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http://factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9145

I posted a bunch of quotes. This is still a work in progress though. I have many more quotes to upload(Most likely over 75).

  • 09.23.2011 5:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Doesn't seem like your quotes have much context. And c'mon, just come out and say you have bias towards the Chief. You accuse others of bias, yet we know full well where you lean.

  • 09.23.2011 5:48 PM PDT
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To me MC and Fred are =. My first post said I think they would do basically the same. I'm just saying Fred is not > Chief.

  • 09.23.2011 6:01 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Meh, I find a Spartan who is the second best at everything better than one who is just lucky.

  • 09.23.2011 6:03 PM PDT
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  • 09.23.2011 6:13 PM PDT
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He isn't "just lucky."

How is luck going to win physical exercises? Luck effects things that are focused on probability, like a coin flip or the survival rate of the bio-augs(Which probably not even that, as MC was about as close to a match for the program as you could get genetically). Luck is not a catch-all skill, contrary to popular belief. It won't help you run faster, lift more, or, for the most part, fight better.

Luck is enough to give you a slight edge in a near-death encounter, not win fights entirely.

  • 09.23.2011 6:15 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

If it was Fred, that lifeboat would have landed thirty feet to the left and it would have ended right there.

  • 09.23.2011 7:46 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
He isn't "just lucky."

How is luck going to win physical exercises? Luck effects things that are focused on probability, like a coin flip or the survival rate of the bio-augs(Which probably not even that, as MC was about as close to a match for the program as you could get genetically). Luck is not a catch-all skill, contrary to popular belief. It won't help you run faster, lift more, or, for the most part, fight better.

Luck is enough to give you a slight edge in a near-death encounter, not win fights entirely.


Considering how often Chief almost get's killed throughout the novels, even one mess up would have been the end of it.

Now Luck is a thing of perception, so the whole argument is and always has been flawed from the start.


But assuming Bungie has the perspective of "well if Chief wasn't lucky than x grenade would have killed him, or that flood form would have gotten him, or this or that or those" where he succeeded every time. One mess up was the end, so Chief's missions throughout Halo were all successes, whose to say anyone else could have done that? Bungie's emphasis on the importance of luck is obvious, so they clearly hold a higher regard for just how important it is.

Surviving war is luck.

  • 09.23.2011 9:51 PM PDT