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Subject: A gun firing bullets faster then the speed of light not impossible?!

apparently not. these guys were able to have particles out run the speed of light, even though it was just slight, it's not outside the real of possibility that something like this could happen in the future.

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP58b5aed0a77c45ddb163d90951b36 b35.html

  • 09.24.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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  • 09.24.2011 2:02 PM PDT

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Not confirmed yet.
The most likely scenario is that they had some experimental error.

If it is not error, this redefines everything we know about physics and all that is based upon Einstein's equation. It would bring chaos to the scientific community resulting in a global catastrophe.

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  • 09.24.2011 2:03 PM PDT

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Well, first of all, neutrinos are non-atom particles that don't have nearly the same behavior as regular atoms, so a FTL bullet is out, unless you can fashion one out of neutrinos, which also wouldn't work because neutrinos don't interact with other atoms.

Second of all, I highly doubt that 100 years of evidence is wrong. More than likely the theory of relativity is right, but to an extent.

  • 09.24.2011 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
It would bring chaos to the scientific community resulting in a global catastrophe.

How so? It's only a stark reminder that we don't know as much as we think we do. Humanity needed to be knocked down a peg, anyways.

  • 09.24.2011 2:32 PM PDT

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I'll wait for additional verification from other labs. It is probably an experimental oversight.

  • 09.24.2011 2:50 PM PDT

I blame the press for this.

Scientists: We have made some curious observations regarding neutrinos which appear to travelling slightly faster than lightspeed, we assume this is a measurement error and are asking for help finding the error.

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  • 09.24.2011 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Not confirmed yet.
The most likely scenario is that they had some experimental error.

If it is not error, this redefines everything we know about physics and all that is based upon Einstein's equation. It would bring chaos to the scientific community resulting in a global catastrophe.

Cue Step 7.

  • 09.24.2011 3:08 PM PDT

Maybe, but in theory wouldn't the projectile go *poof* from friction? Or at least the recoil would be... intense.

  • 09.24.2011 6:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
It would bring chaos to the scientific community resulting in a global catastrophe.

How so? It's only a stark reminder that we don't know as much as we think we do. Humanity needed to be knocked down a peg, anyways.
Completely agreed.

People were too faithful in Einstein's theories. Hardly anyone dared to question it. They completely forgot that science is about questions. Questions about things we haven't discovered yet and questions about what we think we discovered. If Einstein wouldn't have question Newton would he have ever come up with his theories? No. He'd be happy for humanity if we found a better theory than his own in the name of scientific discovery.

  • 09.24.2011 6:16 PM PDT
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Don't neutrinos fall under the realm of quantum physics? If so, isn't quantum physics -blam!- up regardless?

  • 09.24.2011 6:40 PM PDT

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Not only is this not confirmed, it is almost absolutely certain that these particles achieved crossing these distances at those speeds by phasing into other physical dimensions.

For anything to ACTUALLY move faster than light is not possible. It is possible, in theory, to cover those distances by phasing in and out of alternate dimensions though.

Still too early to be sure these particles even achieved what the data suggests they achieved.

  • 09.24.2011 6:42 PM PDT

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  • 09.24.2011 7:58 PM PDT

Forgive me if I sound like a jerk by asking this, but why is this topic on the Halo forum? I fail to see the relevance.

  • 09.24.2011 8:03 PM PDT

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  • 09.24.2011 8:14 PM PDT

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I dont know if they took in the fact that somthing nearing the speed of light will warp space and time, slowing the time down in its reference, so it would apear going faster in ours

  • 09.24.2011 9:02 PM PDT

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While it does seem like these particles were traveling faster than the speed of light, I'm going to hold out and see what gets confirmed. However, neutrinos very very rarely interact with matter so I could see why they could possibly reach that speed.

And just to clarify a particle going faster than the speed of light is not something new...it happens everyday as part Cherenkov radiation. Granted this occurs in a different medium, but it still occurs and is what causes a blue glow around Nuclear Reactors (such as TRIGA reactors if you want pictures).

  • 09.24.2011 9:11 PM PDT

So that's how UNSC weapons are hitscan.

  • 09.25.2011 2:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
It would bring chaos to the scientific community resulting in a global catastrophe.

How so? It's only a stark reminder that we don't know as much as we think we do. Humanity needed to be knocked down a peg, anyways.


You missed the last three words there.

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  • 09.25.2011 10:21 AM PDT


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While it does seem like these particles were traveling faster than the speed of light, I'm going to hold out and see what gets confirmed. However, neutrinos very very rarely interact with matter so I could see why they could possibly reach that speed.

And just to clarify a particle going faster than the speed of light is not something new...it happens everyday as part Cherenkov radiation. Granted this occurs in a different medium, but it still occurs and is what causes a blue glow around Nuclear Reactors (such as TRIGA reactors if you want pictures).


Thats a totally different thing, its particles travelling faster than lightspeed in water which is somewhat slower than normal lightspeed. This is particles travelling faster than real lightspeed in vacuum, which is a big deal..........according to einsteins theories, the neutrinos should have bee travelling backwards in time which means the detected neutrinos came from the future back to us. Its mindbending and violates all sorts of principles such as conservation of mass, causality, other things i cant think of.

  • 09.25.2011 5:23 PM PDT
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Well, first of all, neutrinos are non-atom particles that don't have nearly the same behavior as regular atoms, so a FTL bullet is out, unless you can fashion one out of neutrinos, which also wouldn't work because neutrinos don't interact with other atoms.

Second of all, I highly doubt that 100 years of evidence is wrong. More than likely the theory of relativity is right, but to an extent.
You never know, years and years of scientific evidence can be proven wrong with just one discovery. It's science, it happens. However, neutrinos like he said don't act like normal atoms and only appear to be traveling faster than the speed of light.

As for your bullet idea. It would be cool, but bullets are already pretty powerful and the idea of them going that fast is almost inconceivable.

  • 09.25.2011 6:05 PM PDT

Technically a black holes gravity is faster than light already and proven beyond a doubt.

So light cannot escape a black hole, therefore 'the pull' is faster than light, yes?

  • 09.25.2011 6:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Oddley765Technically a black holes gravity is faster than light already and proven beyond a doubt.
So light cannot escape a black hole, therefore 'the pull' is faster than light, yes?

Pretty sure the gravity of a black hole pulls the photons into it, nothing to do with speed. The force of the gravitational pull is more than the force of the photons moving at lightspeed, so the light falls into the hole.

  • 09.25.2011 7:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Oddley765
Technically a black holes gravity is faster than light already and proven beyond a doubt.

So light cannot escape a black hole, therefore 'the pull' is faster than light, yes?


Gravity and Speed are two completely different things and you cannot directly compare then. I cannot say "25 pounds is faster than 10 miles an hour".

  • 09.25.2011 7:56 PM PDT

So if light is considered to have no mass how is it that gravity can affect the light?

If it is force then the proof is already there, is it not?

In the most simple terms light cannot escape therefore X is something faster/strong/more force applied.

Anyway you cut it the fact light cannot escape proves that elements greater than lightspeed exist. Pretty simple eh?

[Edited on 09.25.2011 9:22 PM PDT]

  • 09.25.2011 9:21 PM PDT

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