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Subject: Tiimeless Ally?

Alright heres a thought. What if the timeless one instead of being some dark evil threat like everyone thinks he is, actually turns out to be master chief's biggest ally in halo 4? Think of it this way: The fore-runners were enemies of the humans, the timeless one is enemy of the fore-runners. LEts put 2 and 2 together here and realise that the precursor probably has no problem with humans. He probably starts hanging out with chakas and riser in halo primordium!!

And alot of you are convinced by my Idea of the precursor being the gravemind, but now that I think of it, it wouldn't make sence for the precursors to create something that could infect them.

  • 09.25.2011 12:41 AM PDT

The Forerunner-human war ended when they started fighting together against the Flood... And the precursors didnt create the Flood, humans did... And why would the Forerunners create a great weapon of galactic destruction that their greatest enemies cold activate if they had the option to make it so they couldnt?

  • 09.25.2011 2:58 AM PDT


Posted by: cybertron
The Forerunner-human war ended when they started fighting together against the Flood... And the precursors didnt create the Flood, humans did... And why would the Forerunners create a great weapon of galactic destruction that their greatest enemies cold activate if they had the option to make it so they couldnt?

humans didn't create flood, they fought them, they found a cure but they were too weak and driven out of their space, soo they tried to take some of forerunner space, but forerruners deevolved em, so hmuans before deevolving destroyed all data on the cure as revenge to forerunners.
P.S-My british, american english sucks

  • 09.25.2011 3:02 AM PDT

Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: cybertron
The Forerunner-human war ended when they started fighting together against the Flood... And the precursors didnt create the Flood, humans did... And why would the Forerunners create a great weapon of galactic destruction that their greatest enemies cold activate if they had the option to make it so they couldnt?

humans didn't create flood, they fought them, they found a cure but they were too weak and driven out of their space, soo they tried to take some of forerunner space, but forerruners deevolved em, so hmuans before deevolving destroyed all data on the cure as revenge to forerunners.
P.S-My british, american english sucks


They did create the Flood, it was an experiment gone wrong sort of scenario. And the humans had nowhere else to go. And if they were their greatest enemy, dont you think they would have devolved them beyond the point they were sent to? Maybe... Lucy?

  • 09.25.2011 3:11 AM PDT


Posted by: cybertron
Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: cybertron
The Forerunner-human war ended when they started fighting together against the Flood... And the precursors didnt create the Flood, humans did... And why would the Forerunners create a great weapon of galactic destruction that their greatest enemies cold activate if they had the option to make it so they couldnt?

humans didn't create flood, they fought them, they found a cure but they were too weak and driven out of their space, soo they tried to take some of forerunner space, but forerruners deevolved em, so hmuans before deevolving destroyed all data on the cure as revenge to forerunners.
P.S-My british, american english sucks


They did create the Flood, it was an experiment gone wrong sort of scenario. And the humans had nowhere else to go. And if they were their greatest enemy, dont you think they would have devolved them beyond the point they were sent to? Maybe... Lucy?

Bro, ask DeceptionCobra,Ragnarok anyone who are smart and know halo cannon and they will tell you that precursors created the flood as a failsafe if forerunners win them.
Sorry if i mispeled your names.
And forerunners saw hyumanity as an agressive threat, so they only returned them to caveman status as punishment, they didnt want to deevolve them to monkey statuss...Lucy.

  • 09.25.2011 3:16 AM PDT

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Cybertron, I take it you didn't read cryptum. Humans did not create the flood - they only encountered it and spread it unwittingly.

The Librarian stopped the Humans' de-evolution.

The ability for Humans to activate the rings was not entirely intentional - the genetic makeup of Forerunners and Humans is similar.

The rings were the Forerunners' last option, because they never found a cure, unlike the Humans.

  • 09.25.2011 3:22 AM PDT


Posted by: GnadeMasta
Cybertron, I take it you didn't read cryptum. Humans did not create the flood - they only encountered it and spread it unwittingly.

The Librarian stopped the Humans' de-evolution.

The ability for Humans to activate the rings was not entirely intentional - the genetic makeup of Forerunners and Humans is similar.

The rings were the Forerunners' last option, because they never found a cure, unlike the Humans.

finaly a smart user.
Thanks for backing me up.

  • 09.25.2011 3:23 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Timeless One = Gravemind = definitely not John's ally.

[Edited on 09.25.2011 3:23 AM PDT]

  • 09.25.2011 3:23 AM PDT

United Armed Forces

Also - The only time the timeless one was ever Humanity's ally was when they attempted to stop the rings from firing.

[Edited on 09.25.2011 3:24 AM PDT]

  • 09.25.2011 3:24 AM PDT

I have read Cryptum and its sitting right in front of me so I can attempt to find that part where i couldve sworn they said the Flood was accidentally created by humans... Basically, my mind is currently imploding.

  • 09.25.2011 3:38 AM PDT


Posted by: cybertron
I have read Cryptum and its sitting right in front of me so I can attempt to find that part where i couldve sworn they said the Flood was accidentally created by humans... Basically, my mind is currently imploding.

Sorry, cant help with that, im trying to find that myself

  • 09.25.2011 3:40 AM PDT

I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/

  • 09.25.2011 3:48 AM PDT


Posted by: cybertron
I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/

Well maybe, but still if TO is teling the truth then precursors created the flood.
There are 3 theorys.
1.Humans created it.
2.Precursors created it.
3.Noone created it, it was an race in distant galaxy and is traveling from galaxy to galaxy, and started as parasite vitus, just like modern day zombies, but only started on our planet, like T-virus at resident eavil.
Sup theorys.
3.1.Someone else from another galaxy created the flood and failed to cantain it.

  • 09.25.2011 3:57 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: cybertron
I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/


I suggest you read Cryptum again.

1) Started with mysterious ancient ships drifting into the galaxy by the Magellanic Clouds, humanity investigates.

2) They discover a fine white powder inside and use it on their pets to enhance them.

3) Over time, the powder mutates the Pheru and they start growing extra limbs and what-not.

4) Humans and San'Shyuum begin to get infected, they become the Flood.

Humanity didn't create the Flood, they merely discovered it and gave it the means to evolve.

  • 09.25.2011 4:00 AM PDT


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: cybertron
I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/

Well maybe, but still if TO is teling the truth then precursors created the flood.
There are 3 theorys.
1.Humans created it.
2.Precursors created it.
3.Noone created it, it was an race in distant galaxy and is traveling from galaxy to galaxy, and started as parasite vitus, just like modern day zombies, but only started on our planet, like T-virus at resident eavil.
Sup theorys.
3.1.Someone else from another galaxy created the flood and failed to cantain it.


I guess that means this disscussion is at the mercy of 343i and Greg Bear.

  • 09.25.2011 4:01 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: cybertron
I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/


I suggest you read Cryptum again.

1) Started with mysterious ancient ships drifting into the galaxy by the Magellanic Clouds, humanity investigates.

2) They discover a fine white powder inside and use it on their pets to enhance them.

3) Over time, the powder mutates the Pheru and they start growing extra limbs and what-not.

4) Humans and San'Shyuum begin to get infected, they become the Flood.

Humanity didn't create the Flood, they merely discovered it and gave it the means to evolve.


THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF!!!! i thot the theory that they came from somewhere out of the galaxy sounded familiar.

  • 09.25.2011 4:04 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: cybertron
I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/


I suggest you read Cryptum again.

1) Started with mysterious ancient ships drifting into the galaxy by the Magellanic Clouds, humanity investigates.

2) They discover a fine white powder inside and use it on their pets to enhance them.

3) Over time, the powder mutates the Pheru and they start growing extra limbs and what-not.

4) Humans and San'Shyuum begin to get infected, they become the Flood.

Humanity didn't create the Flood, they merely discovered it and gave it the means to evolve.

Can you give me the number of the page?

  • 09.25.2011 4:08 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: cybertron
I think it was in the Didact's memories or something... The ay im remembering it was humans were experimenting on an animal, a common pet, and some liked the changes, some didnt and the things started to change... And the Flood was born... I couldve sworn thats what happened :/


I suggest you read Cryptum again.

1) Started with mysterious ancient ships drifting into the galaxy by the Magellanic Clouds, humanity investigates.

2) They discover a fine white powder inside and use it on their pets to enhance them.

3) Over time, the powder mutates the Pheru and they start growing extra limbs and what-not.

4) Humans and San'Shyuum begin to get infected, they become the Flood.

Humanity didn't create the Flood, they merely discovered it and gave it the means to evolve.

Can you give me the number of the page?


Pages 268-269, I think.

  • 09.25.2011 4:19 AM PDT


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: cybertron
Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: cybertron
The Forerunner-human war ended when they started fighting together against the Flood... And the precursors didnt create the Flood, humans did... And why would the Forerunners create a great weapon of galactic destruction that their greatest enemies cold activate if they had the option to make it so they couldnt?

humans didn't create flood, they fought them, they found a cure but they were too weak and driven out of their space, soo they tried to take some of forerunner space, but forerruners deevolved em, so hmuans before deevolving destroyed all data on the cure as revenge to forerunners.
P.S-My british, american english sucks


They did create the Flood, it was an experiment gone wrong sort of scenario. And the humans had nowhere else to go. And if they were their greatest enemy, dont you think they would have devolved them beyond the point they were sent to? Maybe... Lucy?

Bro, ask DeceptionCobra,Ragnarok anyone who are smart and know halo cannon and they will tell you that precursors created the flood as a failsafe if forerunners win them.
Sorry if i mispeled your names.
And forerunners saw hyumanity as an agressive threat, so they only returned them to caveman status as punishment, they didnt want to deevolve them to monkey statuss...Lucy.


Actually some of those people would be less inclined to believe the Preursors made the Flood then you'd think. I don't think any of those you named specifically were him, but I remember someone whose usually sensible about this stuff refusing to believe the Precursors made the Flood and sent it to the galaxy because the ships were "not Precursor." I tried to explain to him it was probably a trojan horse tactic, where the Precursors built more primitive ships to fool everyone into thinking it was someone else, but he refused to believe it.

Its a pretty spectacular refusal as well when you consider the Timeless One quite clearly said "this is our answer" obviously referring to the Flood.

Still, yes, the Precursors created the Flood, not the humans. Though I guess it could be argued we're responsible for its evolution via the Pheru (Worst. Pet shop owner. Ever.)

Oh and on the topic at hand, I doubt the TO is an ally. Because first off...well, he created the Flood. And second, he's pretty much confirmed to be the Gravemind (unless Greg Bear throws us for a loop, which I don't doubt being possible, but he'd have to have a REALLY good reason for introducing yet another omniscient, super-powerful villain. If that were to happen, then what? We ignore the Gravemind's existance forever?)

[Edited on 09.25.2011 6:41 AM PDT]

  • 09.25.2011 6:35 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh


Posted by: cybertron
Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: cybertron
The Forerunner-human war ended when they started fighting together against the Flood... And the precursors didnt create the Flood, humans did... And why would the Forerunners create a great weapon of galactic destruction that their greatest enemies cold activate if they had the option to make it so they couldnt?[/quote]
humans didn't create flood, they fought them, they found a cure but they were too weak and driven out of their space, soo they tried to take some of forerunner space, but forerruners deevolved em, so hmuans before deevolving destroyed all data on the cure as revenge to forerunners.
P.S-My british, american english sucks


They did create the Flood, it was an experiment gone wrong sort of scenario. And the humans had nowhere else to go. And if they were their greatest enemy, dont you think they would have devolved them beyond the point they were sent to? Maybe... Lucy?

Bro, ask DeceptionCobra,Ragnarok anyone who are smart and know halo cannon and they will tell you that precursors created the flood as a failsafe if forerunners win them.
Sorry if i mispeled your names.
And forerunners saw hyumanity as an agressive threat, so they only returned them to caveman status as punishment, they didnt want to deevolve them to monkey statuss...Lucy.


Actually some of those people would be less inclined to believe the Preursors made the Flood then you'd think. I don't think any of those you named specifically were him, but I remember someone whose usually sensible about this stuff refusing to believe the Precursors made the Flood and sent it to the galaxy because the ships were "not Precursor." I tried to explain to him it was probably a trojan horse tactic, where the Precursors built more primitive ships to fool everyone into thinking it was someone else, but he refused to believe it.

Its a pretty spectacular refusal as well when you consider the Timeless One quite clearly said "this is our answer" obviously referring to the Flood.

Still, yes, the Precursors created the Flood, not the humans. Though I guess it could be argued we're responsible for its evolution via the Pheru (Worst. Pet shop owner. Ever.)

Oh and on the topic at hand, I doubt the TO is an ally. Because first off...well, he created the Flood. And second, he's pretty much confirmed to be the Gravemind (unless Greg Bear throws us for a loop, which I don't doubt being possible, but he'd have to have a REALLY good reason for introducing yet another omniscient, super-powerful villain. If that were to happen, then what? We ignore the Gravemind's existance forever?)


Roberto I thought that you believed the gravemind was merely a mouthpiece of sorts for the TO, rather than the two being one and the same thing?

In response to the OP that is highly unlikely, his links to the gravemind and flood suggest otherwise.


I do, but they have the same consciousness. My theory argues that the Gravemind and the Flood creature's percieved "intelligence" is actually the projected consciousness of the Primordial. The voice of the Mind is the voice of the TO, it is the same consciousness, same thoughts, but the TO is not physically present. Primordial's status as a Transsentient could allow for such a power to exist, to exert his will over millions using the Flood as a figure-head target, while keeping himself safe in ambiguity.

His greatest weapon is his ability to remain in the shadows of secrecy. As long as he retains that veil, he cannot be stopped. So he uses the Gravemind as a mouth piece.

  • 09.25.2011 7:44 AM PDT

Alright first of all, timeless one being gravemind is not set in stone. It is a theory. Secondly, humans can access fore-runner stuff because they are very similar to fore-runners.They are similar Probably because either A. The pecursors used human DNA and enhanced it when making the Fore-runners, or B. The Precursors made the humans then the fore-runners.

  • 09.25.2011 9:38 AM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.

-_- intriguing.

  • 09.25.2011 9:41 AM PDT

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