- ROBERTO jh
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@Caboose.
I think its a bit early to say that. The Primordial has had about 5 sentences of dialogue in a climactic scene (so how he really talks in regular conversation is a mystery for the sake of dramatic climax). While we have truck loads of evidence supporting the theory he is in fact the Gravemind in one way or another.
Plus, both are extremely powerful, both are effectively immortal, both are ancient, both are antagonists, both use the Flood as a weapon, both are (obviously) extremely intelligent, both have been Medicant Bias' master, both are extremely manipulative and, most importantly, fill similar roles. I wouldn't like it if the Primordial were a different character for the exact reason Wolverfrog said: it'd be like if Truth cloned himself but gave himself a different-yet-similar name (Right? Correct? Logically Consistant?) While we're told they're supposed to be totally different.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I like how he can get us thinking without saying yes or no. And to anyone who hopes he's not the Mind, may I ask why?
They feel like completely different characters to me.
This. And also, the Gravemind is a pretty underwhelming antagonist who we've already beaten.
It'd be like fighting a clone of the Prophet of Truth.
I have covered the Gravemind thing, about him being underwhelming, in a theory of my own. Firstly, its a matter of the games simply not showing the Flood and GM's true potential in even the remotest sense of the word (this is something I hope they rectify in the Reclaimer Trilogy. Human Weakness showed just how mentally quick and cunning he is; I personally find extremely intelligent villains to be better villains then big-ass strong guys who could out fight, but not out think, you. Having them both at the same time is just a plus). Plus, I also believe the idea the Gravemind, as ajw has said, is an alias and a mouth piece for the Primordial.
However powerful the Precursor is, he's still only one being with (as far as we know) absolutely no Precursor technology to help him. If the entire universe were to unite against him, I have a feeling he'd lose. So, he uses the Flood as a puppet army, under the guise of the Gravemind (who he presents to the galaxy via conscious projection; as a transsentient, the ability to do something like this is more understandable). But the alias "Gravemind" is a shadow of the Primordial's true potential. Making him the (hopefully) ultimate end boss battle in Halo 6.
I feel this best explains the large amount of evidence for the GM=TO theory while still allowing for what is effectively a "new" villain with new abilities, yet without having to explain away the entire first Halo Trilogy as being pointless (what use was fighting and killing Gravemind if he as a villain is entirely unrelated to the new trilogy? By that same token, what use were all the mysteries brought up in IRIS and other media surrounding the Flood, its origins, and the legacy of Medicant Bias and the Forerunners if they were going to be pretty much ignored because a brand new villain was slapped onto the Reclaimer Trilogy?)
I just feel creating an entirely new struggle that dwarfs and is unrelated to the original trilogy (since as we know Threat-to-Universe>Threat-to-Galaxy) is poor story telling.