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... to protect them; honour them."

Cortana says this at the very beginning of the Halo 2 level Regret. I haven't played the game in a while, and this is the first time I've played it on a disk that isn't scratched to ribbons; I don't think I've ever heard that line of dialogue before.

Goodness. What's it all about, then? Obviously there's something distinctly... non-Forerunner about the ruins on Delta Halo, and with Cortana's statement it seems like Bungie was trying to draw attention to the fact.

Has this just been forgotten about, or is there a greater meaning behind it? Are we even entirely sure the Forerunners were the ones who built the Halos? (I still haven't read much of Cryptum so correct me if it's outright stated by a primary source (ie: not Bornstellar.))

I wonder if this will ever be touched upon again. Thoughts?

  • 09.26.2011 1:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Are we even entirely sure the Forerunners were the ones who built the Halos?


10 years, this fact has not changed, Connor... :L

  • 09.26.2011 1:12 PM PDT

I mean a primary source, Alex. As in, from one who actually saw the Halo rings being built from scratch.

Everything else is unreliable, and although 343 or Bornstellar or whatever might say the Forerunners built the Halo rings, it doesn't mean it's true.

Or perhaps the Forerunners moved the ruins to Delta Halo from somewhere else.

  • 09.26.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I mean a primary source, Alex. As in, from one who actually saw the Halo rings being built from scratch.

Everything else is unreliable, and although 343 or Bornstellar or whatever might say the Forerunners built the Halo rings, it doesn't mean it's true.

Or perhaps the Forerunners moved the ruins to Delta Halo from somewhere else.


So in order to be sure that the Forerunners built Halo, we have to hve it from the point of view of someone there? Have it your way, had you not skim-read Cryptum you'd know that Faber was the one who commissioned their construction in the first place.

[Edited on 09.26.2011 1:17 PM PDT]

  • 09.26.2011 1:17 PM PDT

Yes, in order to be 100% sure the source must be completely primary. Anything else is conjecture, no matter how much evidence there is supporting it.

But fair enough, if there is a primary source in the book. Anyway, what do you reckon the line that's supposed to be the focus of the topic means?

  • 09.26.2011 1:19 PM PDT

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In the battle around the Forerunner capital city, the rings were attacked by Forerunner ships and one managed to escape. When Bornstellar arrived at The Ark they were building six others and repairing that one. Maybe Delta Halo is the one that escaped? And since it was damaged they built new structures around the old?

  • 09.26.2011 1:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yes, in order to be 100% sure the source must be completely primary. Anything else is conjecture, no matter how much evidence there is supporting it.

But fair enough, if there is a primary source in the book. Anyway, what do you reckon the line that's supposed to be the focus of the topic means?


The Monitors didn't oversee the construction, but they have the entire sum of Forerunner knowledge in their heads.

Perhaps an Ancient Forerunner artefact? Like Sandtrap/Sandbox.

  • 09.26.2011 1:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

The rings were constructed by strip mining planets. Perhaps any structures worth saving where transported directly to the rings to preserve (not because of their practical use but because they were something historical). I doubt the Forerunner would vaunt any human structures so the logical conclusion is that they're Precursor, but who knows.

  • 09.26.2011 1:26 PM PDT
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It likely means they repurposed them as memorials to soldiers who had died during the Forerunner-Flood War.

  • 09.26.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: KoO 101
In the battle around the Forerunner capital city, the rings were attacked by Forerunner ships and one managed to escape. When Bornstellar arrived at The Ark they were building six others and repairing that one. Maybe Delta Halo is the one that escaped? And since it was damaged they built new structures around the old?


Something like that's actually very likely. Later in the level, as you're going across the Gondola, Cortana says:

"This lake couldn't have been formed by volcanic activity, which means it was either built this way intentionally or created by some other cataclysmic event."

  • 09.26.2011 1:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: KoO 101
In the battle around the Forerunner capital city, the rings were attacked by Forerunner ships and one managed to escape. When Bornstellar arrived at The Ark they were building six others and repairing that one. Maybe Delta Halo is the one that escaped? And since it was damaged they built new structures around the old?


I doubt it. Installation 05 was given to Mendicant Bias by Faber to oversee the Flood on the Ring, this is the same Ring he stole and stowed away the Timeless One on after firing it at Charum Hakkor.

  • 09.26.2011 1:45 PM PDT
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Perhaps it just looked more aesthetically pleasing to the Forerunner to have stone structures covering up the infrastructure...

  • 09.26.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: KoO 101
In the battle around the Forerunner capital city, the rings were attacked by Forerunner ships and one managed to escape. When Bornstellar arrived at The Ark they were building six others and repairing that one. Maybe Delta Halo is the one that escaped? And since it was damaged they built new structures around the old?


I doubt it. Installation 05 was given to Mendicant Bias by Faber to oversee the Flood on the Ring, this is the same Ring he stole and stowed away the Timeless One on after firing it at Charum Hakkor.


Ah. Right. But the ring may still have been attacked in the battle at the Forerunner capital so maybe 2401 and his monitors rebuilt around the old, damaged structures?

  • 09.26.2011 2:02 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

and this is why i like halo...

  • 09.26.2011 2:03 PM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.


Posted by: ferrrari
and this is why i like halo...

The huge amount of lore and many ways it can go? Yea that's what I like to.

  • 09.26.2011 2:09 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Perhaps those are relics from the Forerunners past? They can't be precursor structures because they are too small and intact, so perhaps they were part of the Forerunners history? They lost so much so it would make sense that they safeguard anything they have left in one of the safest places in the galaxy.

  • 09.26.2011 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yes, in order to be 100% sure the source must be completely primary. Anything else is conjecture, no matter how much evidence there is supporting it.

But fair enough, if there is a primary source in the book. Anyway, what do you reckon the line that's supposed to be the focus of the topic means?


*Cryptum Spoilers*

Well, it was Bornstellar reading Didact's memory (who was there) and then Born reciting it. Just think of Bornstellar as the Didact from now on, since he becomes him.

  • 09.26.2011 2:55 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Glad you brought this up Wolverfrog, last time I tried I didn't get very many responses.

  • 09.26.2011 3:13 PM PDT