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I totally want this.

  • 09.30.2011 3:08 PM PDT

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Social networking features are inevitably worked into just about every website there is. It's just the way things work now. But notifications would be a redundant and a waste of resources. Wrong direction I think for the social features we should be getting.

It's easy enough to check your post history, which is listed by latest entry, to keep up on threads you've posted in. Notifications would promote people ignoring the rest of the forums whilst waiting for posts in the only threads you've posted in.

  • 09.30.2011 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce, and IE9 is fast and works very well

Posted by: Xplode441
How would it be more convenient to refresh your b.net page to see if you have a notification, rather than keeping them on a tab and refreshing them every now and then?

I think it's just lazy to have notifications for your thread being posted in.

Responses to your posts? I don't see the point in it, as I already keep up with it, or just don't care if anyone replies to me. I honestly can't see why anyone posts enough in a day to make this necessary in that manner. This could be convenient to people who spend a lot of their time on here, and post on fast forums, but other than that I don't see it being convenient, just lazy.

There's methods to do this, and the only person that this would help is the people who post a lot.
Are you asking how would it be more convenient to refresh one page to see if there have been any replies to all of the recent threads you have posted in, rather than refreshing multiple pages of threads that you have posted in? How would that not be more convenient?!

I know that I don't like keeping too many tabs open - I start to get confused easily when I can't see the whole title of a tab. Maybe that's just me.

And what if you make one or more posts before getting off your computer? Then you have to come back to your computer later on and check all of your recent posts to see if there has been a reply. If there was a notification feature then you could just log in to Bungie.net and see how many notifications you have in mere seconds.

A lot of people do post a lot here and this would be a very convenient feature for them. Just look at the majority of the posters in this thread who agree, obviously they would find it useful. I understand that if you don't post a lot and/or don't care about whether or not a post of yours has had a reply, but many users do post a lot and do care.

Then there are times when I post to help another user that I expect a reply, because I usually ask for extra information before I can help them. It would be nice if I could close the tab and see a notification count increase to know that I have had a reply.

Posted by: JobeTheConqueror
Notifications would promote people ignoring the rest of the forums whilst waiting for posts in the only threads you've posted in.
I think it would do exactly the opposite. If we didn't have to waste our time refreshing multiple pages, we would have more time to spend posting in different threads.

  • 09.30.2011 5:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
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Posted by: Jumbus
Are you asking how would it be more convenient to refresh one page to see if there have been any replies to all of the recent threads you have posted in, rather than refreshing multiple pages of threads that you have posted in? How would that not be more convenient?!

Yes, yes I am. Do you make 14 threads a day? How hard is it to keep your thread up in a tab and just refresh it instead of refreshing b.net waiting for a notice that you have a notification? Notice I'm saying thread and not post, you seem to have missed that.

I know that I don't like keeping too many tabs open - I start to get confused easily when I can't see the whole title of a tab. Maybe that's just me.Okay, then don't keep a lot of tabs open. I'm not suggesting that you make 40 threads and keep them all in a tab.

And what if you make one or more posts before getting off your computer? Then you have to come back to your computer later on and check all of your recent posts to see if there has been a reply. If there was a notification feature then you could just log in to Bungie.net and see how many notifications you have in mere seconds.

Why are you in so many conversation on so many threads? It's not hard to remember what thread you were on and find it, I did it like 3 times on this thread. You said later on, I'm sure you're getting back on b.net to check the conversation you were just in, so why would you need to look through your recent posts for an hour?
A lot of people do post a lot here and this would be a very convenient feature for them. Just look at the majority of the posters in this thread who agree, obviously they would find it useful. I understand that if you don't post a lot and/or don't care about whether or not a post of yours has had a reply, but many users do post a lot and do care.
As I said, I could see how it would be useful for someone who posts a lot, or is posting on a fast moving forum, or did you skim my post and jump to conclusions?

Then there are times when I post to help another user that I expect a reply, because I usually ask for extra information before I can help them. It would be nice if I could close the tab and see a notification count increase to know that I have had a reply.
How many tabs do you have open that one extra would bother you? Either you're the world's best multi-tasker by juggling a lot of websites that one more tab would destroy you, or you hate the look of tabs.

  • 09.30.2011 6:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce, and IE9 is fast and works very well

Posted by: Xplode441
I'm going to try and keep this short and simple. No I do not like keeping a lot of tabs open, and the point is that while yes it is possible to keep open or find threads that you have posted in, it would still be far more efficient if we could just have notifications instead.

I think the only argument against notifications is how it would actually be implemented. I'm no expert but I don't think that the forums in their current format could support notifications. Depending on how much work is required to get notifications working, it may or may not be worth it.

I would also like to say that yes I did read through your post entirely. I said "threads that you have posted in," referring to posts and not threads. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear.

And I was responding to this when I said that there are a lot of people who post a lot:
Posted by: Xplode441
I honestly can't see why anyone posts enough in a day to make this necessary in that manner. This could be convenient to people who spend a lot of their time on here, and post on fast forums, but other than that I don't see it being convenient, just lazy.
You made it sound like you thought that this wasn't necessary simply because you alone do not post a lot, when perhaps you don't realise how many people do spend a lot of time on the site. Haven't you seen the "addiction to Bungie.net" threads before?


Again though, the point in notifications is efficiency. Saving us time so that we can get more done.

  • 09.30.2011 6:26 PM PDT
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No.
Yes.

  • 09.30.2011 6:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
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Posted by: Jumbus
I'm going to try and keep this short and simple. No I do not like keeping a lot of tabs open, and the point is that while yes it is possible to keep open or find threads that you have posted in, it would still be far more efficient if we could just have notifications instead.
Then don't keep a lot of tabs open. :|
I've said this before, if you don't make 20 threads a day, it's not a problem to keep a tab open of your thread, and I don't see how it's a problem for anyone else, unless you already have like 10 other tabs open.

I think the only argument against notifications is how it would actually be implemented. I'm no expert but I don't think that the forums in their current format could support notifications. Depending on how much work is required to get notifications working, it may or may not be worth it.
No, I'm pretty sure usefulness is a valid argument against it as well. Some people will use it, and some people won't, however if they simply make it so you can turn it off, that won't be much of a problem, it would be no problem if it was off automatically and you had to turn it on.

I would also like to say that yes I did read through your post entirely. I said "threads that you have posted in," referring to posts and not threads. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear.

And I was referring to threads. I said that for some people post notifications might be useful, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

You made it sound like you thought that this wasn't necessary simply because you alone do not post a lot, when perhaps you don't realise how many people do spend a lot of time on the site. Haven't you seen the "addiction to Bungie.net" threads before?
I honestly don't even see how you got that out of my post. I say it right there: This could be convenient to people who spend a lot of their time on here, and post on fast forums.

Again though, the point in notifications is efficiency. Saving us time so that we can get more done.
If you need to get stuff done, then why are you wasting time on b.net, or do you have to do stuff on b.net that is necessary and important like moderating a group and want to waste some time on the mains?

  • 09.30.2011 6:40 PM PDT

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Why on earth would anyone care about someone responding to their post on the internet.

You're not supposed to discuss anything on the internet, especially so of forums.

You're supposed to state your opinions as facts, ignore anyone who contradicts you, and act aggressive and condescending at all times. And if you find a post you can't argue against you can simply point out a spelling or grammatical error and ignore it in totality.

This is internet etiquette 101 people. I thought you were smarter than this.

  • 09.30.2011 6:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce, and IE9 is fast and works very well

Posted by: Xplode441
Then don't keep a lot of tabs open. :|
I've said this before, if you don't make 20 threads a day, it's not a problem to keep a tab open of your thread, and I don't see how it's a problem for anyone else, unless you already have like 10 other tabs open.
But I have to keep a lot of tabs open to check all of my posts! I had too many tabs open for my liking not long ago when I signed back in for today.

No, I'm pretty sure usefulness is a valid argument against it as well. Some people will use it, and some people won't, however if they simply make it so you can turn it off, that won't be much of a problem, it would be no problem if it was off automatically and you had to turn it on.I see those as points that help my side of the argument. As long as notifications are a feature that you can choose preferences for, then they won't create a problem for anybody. If you don't want to use them, turn it off. For people who do want to use them, they can choose what they want notifications switched on for.

And I was referring to threads. I said that for some people post notifications might be useful, sorry if I didn't make that clear.Oh man, I told you I get confused easily >.< I don't create threads often, but I do mean notifications for posts here (my mistake). When I post in a thread, I would like to know if somebody has responded to my post in that thread without having to keep on going back to that thread, and I would also like not to keep that thread open in a separate tab the whole time.

I honestly don't even see how you got that out of my post. I say it right there: This could be convenient to people who spend a lot of their time on here, and post on fast forums.That is how I interpreted it. I apologise if I interpreted wrong.

If you need to get stuff done, then why are you wasting time on b.net, or do you have to do stuff on b.net that is necessary and important like moderating a group and want to waste some time on the mains?My reply to this is:Posted by: Jumbus
Haven't you seen the "addiction to Bungie.net" threads before?
I know I could be spending this time doing something more productive, but when I do spend time on Bungie.net I would at least like it to be more efficient. If I could get through replies to my posts faster, I could spend less time on Bungie.net!

  • 09.30.2011 6:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Xplode441
How would it be more convenient to refresh your b.net page to see if you have a notification, rather than keeping them on a tab and refreshing them every now and then?
Most modern websites that implement notifications don't force you to reload the page yourself. Pages automatically update in the background to display anything new. Hence, convenience. Probably also accounts for why some of these sites are among the most popular on the web.

Posted by: Xplode441
I think it's just lazy to have notifications for your thread being posted in.
As opposed to manually checking every single page? The technology running the website is there to make the experience here more enjoyable for its users. There is nothing enjoyable about clicking through every single page of a thread just to see if there are any new posts in it. The same applies for reply notifications.

Posted by: Xplode441
Responses to your posts? I don't see the point in it, as I already keep up with it, or just don't care if anyone replies to me. I honestly can't see why anyone posts enough in a day to make this necessary in that manner. This could be convenient to people who spend a lot of their time on here, and post on fast forums, but other than that I don't see it being convenient, just lazy.
1. I dare say you're in a minority here if you don't care if people reply to you. In fact, you seem to care who replies to you in this thread.

2. The number of posts someone makes in a day is completely irrelevant, as a reply notification could be sent from a reply you made yesterday, the day before, week before, etc... It's incredibly difficult (and in some cases impossible) to keep track of replies in those cases. Therefore having a notification of a reply would be useful.

3. Why do you keep saying that having something like this promotes laziness or would make people lazy? Can you (or anyone else) honestly say that they enjoy clicking through every single page of a thread just to find out if someone replied to them? The whole point of using a computer and its technologies is that they make life easier and more enjoyable. Again, it's the convenience that's offered by a notification system that makes it so attractive and useful to want/use.

Posted by: Xplode441
There's methods to do this, and the only person that this would help is the people who post a lot.
Assuming you're referring to having to open up every thread and read every page at regular intervals just to check for a reply to a post, I have to disagree with it only being useful for someone who posts a lot, simply because of that very same overly-complex, inaccurate, and inefficient "method".

Finally, I don't understand why you continue to refer to a notification system as being "unnecessary". Everything on this site is unnecessary. We don't need Private Messages. We don't need avatars. We don't need Private Groups. We don't need stat tracking. We don't even need this site. The fact that they exist means that someone at some time has thought they would be useful or enjoyable to use. Maybe Stepehen Fry can assist in explaining this phenomena.


Posted by: JobeTheConquerorNotifications are not a social networking feature. They've existed on sites through the use of email well before sites like Facebook or MySpace existed. So please don't try that angle of argument.

  • 09.30.2011 7:51 PM PDT

I have a similar post thats a bit different but with a better idea. http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=66318041&p ostRepeater1-p=1#66319110

  • 09.30.2011 8:08 PM PDT
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Whoo.

Posted by: dazarobbo
Maybe Stepehen Fry can assist in explaining this phenomena.
Well that settles it, the -blam!- filter should be removed immediately!

  • 09.30.2011 8:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
I also maintain that Chrome is weaksauce, and IE9 is fast and works very well

Posted by: Xplode441I would just like to say that after reading your first post again, now I realise that you were talking about notifications about threads you have created and notifications about posts that you have made as two separate things. I should have read more carefully the first time and I apologise for that.

I still think that notifications for threads and posts is the way to go though :)

  • 09.30.2011 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xplode441


Why are you so against this. By the ammount of positive ressonses in this thread don't you just think you should accept that it is a good idea instead of continually flaming.

  • 10.01.2011 5:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Xplode441

The convenience and relevance far outweighs the negative traits of this idea (if any). Clearly this idea, to many users, has more implementation in a good way, rather than a poor way.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 5:49 AM PDT]

  • 10.01.2011 5:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: rodent777
I have a similar post thats a bit different but with a better idea. http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=66318041&p ostRepeater1-p=1#66319110

That idea just sounds like Facebook
;_;

  • 10.01.2011 7:06 AM PDT

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I'm all for this idea. It is a pain to go through evrey single thread that waiting for a response on.

  • 10.01.2011 8:50 AM PDT

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  • 10.01.2011 9:09 AM PDT

*thinks about Facebook poking....*

If this idea comes true, please don't do something like "poking." A lot of my friends love to flood each others notifications.

  • 10.01.2011 9:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: si7hmast3r
*thinks about Facebook poking....*

If this idea comes true, please don't do something like "poking." A lot of my friends love to flood each others notifications.


A *teabag* option is more suitable for this crowd. And if that's too "M Rated" for this community, how about a TICKLE button?

On Topic: I am in favor of notifications, so long as we have the option to turn each of them on or off. For instance I would like to be notified if I'm quoted, but not if someone posts in a thread I made, and I certainly don't need email notifications.

  • 10.01.2011 9:48 AM PDT

I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but I think you could check a box so it sends you emails when somebody quotes you or replies to your thread.

I'm also surprised to see the mods so enthusiastic about this idea, usually with ideas like this they shoot 'em down into a flaming ball of failure before the first page ends.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 9:54 AM PDT]

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I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but I think you could check a box so it sends you emails when somebody quotes you or replies to your thread.
Email subscription is a win/win.

  • 10.01.2011 9:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: dazarobbo
As opposed to manually checking every single page? The technology running the website is there to make the experience here more enjoyable for its users. There is nothing enjoyable about clicking through every single page of a thread just to see if there are any new posts in it. The same applies for reply notifications.
Why are you clicking through every page of a thread? The newest replies are at the end. Unless you like re-reading the posts.

1. I dare say you're in a minority here if you don't care if people reply to you. In fact, you seem to care who replies to you in this thread.
Yes, because I actually have a discussion going on in here, if I were to make a post in a topic just saying: Yes, I eat food. I would just leave it at that, and not really care if people respond to me. If I have a discussion going on, I keep up with it. I don't have twelve discussions going on at the same time.

2. The number of posts someone makes in a day is completely irrelevant, as a reply notification could be sent from a reply you made yesterday, the day before, week before, etc... It's incredibly difficult (and in some cases impossible) to keep track of replies in those cases. Therefore having a notification of a reply would be useful.
Unless the thread is important, I don't see your reply being responded to more than a week from posting. If you post a lot in a day, you lose track of what threads you have posted in, especially in a fast moving forum, and I've said reply notifications would probably help them. How is that not relevant?

3. Why do you keep saying that having something like this promotes laziness or would make people lazy? Can you (or anyone else) honestly say that they enjoy clicking through every single page of a thread just to find out if someone replied to them? The whole point of using a computer and its technologies is that they make life easier and more enjoyable. Again, it's the convenience that's offered by a notification system that makes it so attractive and useful to want/use.
Laziness? Because, you can already keep up with it on your own. Why are you just going through a thread to see if someone replied to you? Take the time to actually read other people's responses and possibly respond to them.

Assuming you're referring to having to open up every thread and read every page at regular intervals just to check for a reply to a post, I have to disagree with it only being useful for someone who posts a lot, simply because of that very same overly-complex, inaccurate, and inefficient "method".
I've already said that it reply notifications could be useful for some people. Why do you keep going back to this argument? I still don't like the idea, however, I'm pretty much compromised that if it has to be turned on when added that it wouldn't affect me at all. In fact, it could spark longer conversations on b.net which wouldn't be all that bad.

Finally, I don't understand why you continue to refer to a notification system as being "unnecessary". Everything on this site is unnecessary. We don't need Private Messages. We don't need avatars. We don't need Private Groups. We don't need stat tracking. We don't even need this site. The fact that they exist means that someone at some time has thought they would be useful or enjoyable to use. Maybe Stepehen Fry can assist in explaining this phenomena.
PM's? I can see how they're pretty necessary in contacting people without derailing threads by asking how they're doing.
Avatars? That's just for personalization, which is unnecessary. I wouldn't really mind if avatars were gone.
Stat tracking? Necessary for us? No, but Bungie uses it to draw users to their site and increase their user count for this site.
Is this site necessary? Absolutely, if this site wasn't here then another fan site would be where we would be discussing this.


Notifications are not a social networking feature. They've existed on sites through the use of email well before sites like Facebook or MySpace existed. So please don't try that angle of argument.
Agreed, notifications aren't solely social networking features, however, they are used in social networking sites, so I can see how people are making connections.
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Posted by: Xplode441


Why are you so against this. By the ammount of positive ressonses in this thread don't you just think you should accept that it is a good idea instead of continually flaming.

I don't think flaming means what you think it means. I'm just disagreeing, and I don't think that just because everyone likes something that I should too. I have an opinion, and am not a robot that can be programmed to simply ignore or like something.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 12:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2011 12:37 PM PDT
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Listen, everything in this list has a purpose. Now watch:
Posted by: Xplode441
PM's? I can see how they're pretty necessary in contacting people without derailing threads by asking how they're doing.
Avatars? That's just for personalization, which is unnecessary. I wouldn't really mind if avatars were gone.
Stat tracking? Necessary for us? No, but Bungie uses it to draw users to their site and increase their user count for this site. Notifications? They help us keep up with discussion, which is the point of these forums.
Is this site necessary? Absolutely, if this site wasn't here then another fan site would be where we would be discussing this.

Do you see a problem or anything out-of-the-ordinary with your list now?
-edit- Yeah, Xplode isn't "flaming" anyone. He's just disagreeing.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2011 12:43 PM PDT