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Subject: The TO survived the halo firing at Charum Hakkor, can he be stopped?

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  • 09.28.2011 8:45 AM PDT
Subject: If the TO survived the halo firing at Charum Hakkor can he be stopped?

Maybe he's a machine...

[Edited on 09.28.2011 9:19 AM PDT]

  • 09.28.2011 9:19 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Maybe he's a machine...


lolwut, so the GM is a machine who absorbs biomass and AI....

seriously though, as far as we know precursors were sentient beings also, what gives them their resistance to the halo array in your opinion?


What i think is that the TO survived it because he's transsentient

BTW Greg called them Gods at comic con so that's what i believe

Primordium will undoubtly reveal more about them

  • 09.28.2011 9:29 AM PDT

Yes, the Timeless One is a machine. He most likely lives in that empty space between galaxies, and controls his Graveminds and other minions from a distance via cybernetics.

He has no beginning, no end. He simply is; the vanguard of our destruction, really.

  • 09.28.2011 2:04 PM PDT


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Maybe he's a machine...


lolwut, so the GM is a machine who absorbs biomass and AI....

seriously though, as far as we know precursors were sentient beings also, what gives them their resistance to the halo array in your opinion?


I believe its transsentience. Being beyond what normal beings such as ourselves can comprehend on a cognitive and conscious level, a weapon that targets sentience may not work.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yes, the Timeless One is a machine. He most likely lives in that empty space between galaxies, and controls his Graveminds and other minions from a distance via cybernetics.

He has no beginning, no end. He simply is; the vanguard of our destruction, really.


Well, at least that explains the Reaper at the end of the concept art teaser.

[Edited on 09.28.2011 2:21 PM PDT]

  • 09.28.2011 2:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Maybe he's a machine...


lolwut, so the GM is a machine who absorbs biomass and AI....

seriously though, as far as we know precursors were sentient beings also, what gives them their resistance to the halo array in your opinion?


What i think is that the TO survived it because he's transsentient

BTW Greg called them Gods at comic con so that's what i believe

Primordium will undoubtly reveal more about them

I think that was mostly just hyperbole on Bear's part. If the Prisoner is a "God" he is a horrible example of one. It is also possible that compared to us the Prisoner is so powerful we could regard him as a god because we are but ants to him.

And I'm the Prisoner can be killed. We just need to get a big enough gun.

  • 09.28.2011 2:33 PM PDT

Having a trans-sentient being is an issue in writing because we as merely sentient beings obviously can't capture the sheer magnitude of such a deity.

If the TO is trans-sentient, it means we'll see little of him, hear little of him other than cryptic phrases and he'll have little development.

Not exactly the recipe for a great antagonist.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Having a trans-sentient being is an issue in writing because we as merely sentient beings obviously can't capture the sheer magnitude of such a deity.

If the TO is trans-sentient, it means we'll see little of him, hear little of him other than cryptic phrases and he'll have little development.

Not exactly the recipe for a great antagonist.

Agreed. He should remain a normal mortal unless Bear has a different main antagonist in mind, which would also be a bad thing. Introducing your main bad guy a third of the way through the series? No thanks.

As an alternative, the Prisoner could have survived the Halo blast with a combination of the Time Bolt, Prison, and his own bizarre alien biology.

  • 09.28.2011 2:54 PM PDT

Would anyone be down to play a huge game of infection later on tonight? I lost all of my maps and haven't played Halo 3 for a while... let me know if your down I was thinkin around 6:30 mountain time. message me if anyones up for it JbaLLa11

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: JbaLLa11
Would anyone be down to play a huge game of infection later on tonight? I lost all of my maps and haven't played Halo 3 for a while... let me know if your down I was thinkin around 6:30 mountain time. message me if anyones up for it JbaLLa11

Please post in the right forum (The Classifieds).

  • 09.28.2011 3:00 PM PDT
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Yes, the Classifieds.


Bum,Bum,Bum!

  • 09.28.2011 3:02 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Having a trans-sentient being is an issue in writing because we as merely sentient beings obviously can't capture the sheer magnitude of such a deity.

If the TO is trans-sentient, it means we'll see little of him, hear little of him other than cryptic phrases and he'll have little development.

Not exactly the recipe for a great antagonist.

Agreed. He should remain a normal mortal unless Bear has a different main antagonist in mind, which would also be a bad thing. Introducing your main bad guy a third of the way through the series? No thanks.

As an alternative, the Prisoner could have survived the Halo blast with a combination of the Time Bolt, Prison, and his own bizarre alien biology.


You are aware that just because he's a transsentient doesn't mean he'll have no devolopment, right? I mean, what is keeping Bear from devoloping him? Star Trek did it brilliantly with the Q, and they were so incomprehensible we actually couldn't visualize them without projecting our own misguided and primitive selves over their technology and physical appearance. But devolope as character they did.

Plus, an enemy does not have to be known, present or understandable to be a good villain; thinking it does is completely opionion based (and contradictory to Halo's style of writing of keeping us in the dark). I personally find mysterious enemy's that can defeat the protagonist without even needing to be in the same area to be far more appealing. I like the idea of an incomprehensible enemy, it'd reflect the inconprehensible dangers it poses on the protagonists. Not knowing anything about it beyond motives adds to the fear factor, for it is the unknown people fear. We can't know his limits, we can't know the size of his armies, etc. Perhaps even throw a depersonalization factor in there: we almost never see the antagonist, yet they have an aura of being omni-present. Like the Invaders from War of the Worlds.

Not knowing is just as great an enemy as the alternative: an enemy we know everything about. It all depends on the situation. Reasonably, since the Reclaimer trilogy is returning us to the mysterious feel of Halo, I think its safe to say an enemy that complements that feel is in order.

  • 09.28.2011 3:25 PM PDT

What does TO stand for?

  • 09.28.2011 5:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Commander GX
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There's a theory that TO = GM. Since the GM and his Flood are immune to the Halo's neural pulse, TO survived.

  • 09.28.2011 5:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: marcusrenfro7741
What does TO stand for?


Timess One.

[Edited on 09.28.2011 5:31 PM PDT]

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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
There's a theory that TO = GM. Since the GM and his Flood are immune to the Halo's neural pulse, TO survived.

Or perhaps it as because of his biology. The Forerunners never had a chance to study the Pisoner so it is possible Halo is unable to harm it because of it's uniqueness. Perhaps Precursor biology, or whatever species the Prisoner is, is so different from the rest of the galaxy that the Halo doesn't affect it.

  • 09.28.2011 7:24 PM PDT

Maybe he just wore noise-cancelling headphones.

  • 09.28.2011 11:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Maybe he just wore noise-cancelling headphones.
The only way it would've worked is if he was listening to Don't Stop Me Now as the wave came past.

  • 09.28.2011 11:55 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Cut his head off; that always works. Wood-chippers always work too.

  • 09.29.2011 12:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yes, the Timeless One is a machine. He most likely lives in that empty space between galaxies, and controls his Graveminds and other minions from a distance via cybernetics.

He has no beginning, no end. He simply is; the vanguard of our destruction, really.


I pissed my pants when you said that.

  • 09.29.2011 4:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: reptile1892
Cut his head off; that always works. Wood-chippers always work too.

In the end, there can only be one!

  • 09.29.2011 4:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

You are aware that just because he's a transsentient doesn't mean he'll have no devolopment, right? I mean, what is keeping Bear from devoloping him? Star Trek did it brilliantly with the Q, and they were so incomprehensible we actually couldn't visualize them without projecting our own misguided and primitive selves over their technology and physical appearance. But devolope as character they did.

Plus, an enemy does not have to be known, present or understandable to be a good villain; thinking it does is completely opionion based (and contradictory to Halo's style of writing of keeping us in the dark). I personally find mysterious enemy's that can defeat the protagonist without even needing to be in the same area to be far more appealing. I like the idea of an incomprehensible enemy, it'd reflect the inconprehensible dangers it poses on the protagonists. Not knowing anything about it beyond motives adds to the fear factor, for it is the unknown people fear. We can't know his limits, we can't know the size of his armies, etc. Perhaps even throw a depersonalization factor in there: we almost never see the antagonist, yet they have an aura of being omni-present. Like the Invaders from War of the Worlds.

Not knowing is just as great an enemy as the alternative: an enemy we know everything about. It all depends on the situation. Reasonably, since the Reclaimer trilogy is returning us to the mysterious feel of Halo, I think its safe to say an enemy that complements that feel is in order.


couldn't have said it any better. . .

  • 09.29.2011 7:26 AM PDT

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit,
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."
-Omar Khayyám-

What all has been said needs no repeat. TO is among us, watching, waiting, searching for the perfect moment to strike when our guards have been dropped. Be wary and ready fellows for there is more to TO than meets the eye and as such we must prepare for the coming storm of which there is almost assuredly total obliteration as a consequence if we can not prevail.

  • 09.29.2011 8:20 AM PDT

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