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Subject: UNSC INFINITY discussion

@accordingto343

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Posted by: RedsoxFreak101
The simple fact of the matter here is that we do not have a definitive time frame on the game so there is no point in arguing about it. Both of you two have very valid points that are all dependent on one time frame or another.


I think the fact we don't know the timeframe IS the issue. The official summary for it is "Set in the aftermath of Halo 3, Master Chief returns to confront his own destiny and face an ancient evil that threatens the fate of the entire universe. Halo 4 marks the start of a new trilogy that begins with its release in 2012."

So it's pretty vague, but if it's in the aftermath, it sounds liek it isn't that far ahead in the future. Worrisome.

  • 09.30.2011 8:51 PM PDT


Posted by: RedsoxFreak101
Both of you two have very valid points that are all dependent on one time frame or another.


Mine isn't...

  • 09.30.2011 9:40 PM PDT
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Tom.

Why don't all of you ACCEPT that the name of that ship is 'Infinity'?

Just let it go for christ sake and try and contribute information on the UNSC Infinity like the OP asked.

Edit: Obviously looks like the UNSC are in Halo 4, to peoples dismay and relief. Just keep waiting for updates from 343i.

[Edited on 09.30.2011 9:52 PM PDT]

  • 09.30.2011 9:51 PM PDT


Posted by: tomk456
Why don't all of you ACCEPT that the name of that ship is 'Infinity'?

Just let it go for christ sake and try and contribute information on the UNSC Infinity like the OP asked.

Edit: Obviously looks like the UNSC are in Halo 4, to peoples dismay and relief. Just keep waiting for updates from 343i.


The question is when they appear, and to what extent.

And when have we ever not accepted the name? We simply said it's just not a great one.

As for contributing information, the OP pretty much gave all the information there is.

Name : Infinity
type : Looks to be similar to a cruiser.

That's it.

  • 09.30.2011 10:04 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: tomk456
Why don't all of you ACCEPT that the name of that ship is 'Infinity'?

Just let it go for christ sake and try and contribute information on the UNSC Infinity like the OP asked.

Edit: Obviously looks like the UNSC are in Halo 4, to peoples dismay and relief. Just keep waiting for updates from 343i.


When did I ever say I don't accept the Infinity's name? I merely said I didn't really care for it. It's still a neat looking ship.

  • 09.30.2011 10:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: RedsoxFreak101
Both of you two have very valid points that are all dependent on one time frame or another.


Mine isn't...


Except it is, the UNSC isnt randomly going to find the Chief by jumping from planet to planet and it has been stated that he is still not found after a certain year (can't remeber). Unless 343 will do a duel story line like in halo 2, the UNSC involvment is dependent on a certain timeframe.

  • 10.01.2011 8:57 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
After going over pieces of information from the books and other media, I'll leave the Encyclopedia out since nobody seems to care about it...even though 343 released an updated version last week.

Impossible Life and Possible Death of Admiral Preston J. Cole: States that as of December 31st, 2552, the situation humanity finds itself in is still "highly unstable" and that the insurgency and client Covenant species may pose a threat.

Dr. William Iqbal's Letter: Sates that as of January 31st, 2553, "our civilization has undergone a significant shift. Our populations are decimated, our people scattered, and our military is now at it's weakest since the dawn of slipspace travel."

The UNSC got their hands on Slipsapce travel in 2291. That is a 250+ year gap and we've been reduced to that.

Also stated "The Sangheili have promised nothing-and indeed warned us that they do not yet control either the Covenant client species, or even their own domestic situation."

So the Elites aren't sharing anything.


1. That's still pretty close to the end of Halo 3 though, not that much is going to noticeably change drastically in not even a month's time.

2. Same thing as number one, not too much is going to noticeably or drastically change in a whole month.
Eh, I wouldn't really take that statement literally *shrug* It sounds more like hyperbole or plain old exaggeration to me :/

That seems to me more like "we have our -blam!- to deal with right, we can't really do anything that might help you at the moment". What exactly do you mean by "the Elites aren't sharing anything"?

Halo: Glasslands info: From information regarding Glasslands, we will attempt to steal some Engineers from the Elites.

Halo: Reach extra content: By 2589, it would seem we've at last recolonized Reach and created new space-faring vehicles. By 2610, New Alexandria has been rebuilt, recently or years ago.

Halo: Legends: Cortana starts to talk to the Chief at least by 2555. She claims to be 7 at the time and since she was created in 2549, 2555 should be about the date her monologue takes. SO either that is the time the game is set or they keep drifting for a few more years.


3. Why is that really significant? The Engineers will be able to help humanity understand Forerunner technology much, much faster than they would be able to on their own. It's not like they need the Engineers to rebuild their old technology.

4. Again, I don't really see what is so significant about this :/ So Reach is finally able to be recolonized, what exactly does that mean? I don't see how having a Forerunneresque ship in that scene means they only just invented such a ship.

So here is my rough timeline.

Late 2550's: Humanity still recovering, hostilities with Elites and rebels still a big issue.

2580's: New ships are being made and recolonization of glassed worlds being undertaken.

2600's: Humanity is really better off.

So you can see why I don't think the UNSC are going to recover within 10 years or so.

The fact the 2554 Warthog is mentioned would mean that that either the UNSC somehow managed to overcome all this hardship in no time at all, which is really stupid, or they are carrying some understandingly outdated cargo.

That said, it doesn't quite explain how UNSC ships became so advanced. As seen in Reach, it took until the 2580's to resettle on Reach and we saw a ship that kinda looks like the Infinity. I say kinda since we don't get a really good view.


No, I don't really see your position, I think you're overestimating everything by a lot. I don't think there will be a really speedy recovery, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near as slow as you're implying.

Well as 343i said at Halo Fest, the UNSC actually has the time and resources to devote to researching and reverse engineering Forerunner and Covenant technology. Their first uses of the tech would probably be much like what the Covenant did, pretty much just reverse engineering the tech without any or much innovation and then the truly unique and innovative stuff would come along later. I think it probably took until 2589 to really recolonize Reach because that's how long the terraforming process took, and the fact that they would probably focus more on rebuilding their surviving planets and the military before focusing too much on resettlement.

IMO, the ship we see in Reach's epilogue looks more advanced and more Forerunneresque than the Infinity does, which would fall in line with what I theorized above.

  • 10.01.2011 1:41 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: OrderedComa

1. That's still pretty close to the end of Halo 3 though, not that much is going to noticeably change drastically in not even a month's time.


And yet it still spells out threats that are still looming over their heads. Sure it's recently after Halo 3, but the mere fact whoever wrote Cole's report was obviously very worried. He ran projections and even believes we are going to need Cole.

2. Same thing as number one, not too much is going to noticeably or drastically change in a whole month.
Eh, I wouldn't really take that statement literally *shrug* It sounds more like hyperbole or plain old exaggeration to me :/


Why not? Seems pretty clear to me that humanities infrastructure isn't very good. You guys have asked for sources showing humanities infrastructure and resource base is pretty bad, yet I show you it and now it's just hyperbole? Interesting.

That seems to me more like "we have our -blam!- to deal with right, we can't really do anything that might help you at the moment". What exactly do you mean by "the Elites aren't sharing anything"?

Probably a misreading on my part, but why would they? They are even worse off they we are, no factories, no repairing area, nothing. The mere fact we are stealing their Engineers hints that we are desperate and diplomacy ain't working.

3. Why is that really significant? The Engineers will be able to help humanity understand Forerunner technology much, much faster than they would be able to on their own. It's not like they need the Engineers to rebuild their old technology.

Read The Return, they do.

4. Again, I don't really see what is so significant about this :/ So Reach is finally able to be recolonized, what exactly does that mean? I don't see how having a Forerunneresque ship in that scene means they only just invented such a ship.

It shows that humanity has once again reached a milestone in their technology, at least to me. That whole cutscene was a huge speech about hope.


No, I don't really see your position, I think you're overestimating everything by a lot. I don't think there will be a really speedy recovery, but I don't think it'll be anywhere near as slow as you're implying.

Well as 343i said at Halo Fest, the UNSC actually has the time and resources to devote to researching and reverse engineering Forerunner and Covenant technology. Their first uses of the tech would probably be much like what the Covenant did, pretty much just reverse engineering the tech without any or much innovation and then the truly unique and innovative stuff would come along later. I think it probably took until 2589 to really recolonize Reach because that's how long the terraforming process took, and the fact that they would probably focus more on rebuilding their surviving planets and the military before focusing too much on resettlement.

IMO, the ship we see in Reach's epilogue looks more advanced and more Forerunneresque than the Infinity does, which would fall in line with what I theorized above.


The reason I being this "No recovery in 10 years" thing is because of the Warthog Ruby likes to pass on as proof. Unless it was on the Dawn, then it may come from the Infinity. And if it's from the Infinity, then that means that ship was made pretty fast, a concept I find wholly inadequate.

You can say, "Oh we unlocked the Forerunners' secrets!" or "We had Engineers help."

1. Suddenly unlocking Forerunner secrets is a deus ex machina that only serves to speed the UNSCs recovery enough so they somehow track Chief down and help him. great storytelling.

2. We don't have that many Engineers. The Covenant had potentially hundreds of thousands, I don't know the exact number. We have at most like 5. And we are stealing more from the Elites. But yeah, 5 Engineers totally will speed us along technologically.

  • 10.01.2011 4:47 PM PDT

We just need more information right now <_<.

  • 10.01.2011 5:59 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We just need more information right now <_<.

Information that we will not get, unfortunately.

  • 10.01.2011 6:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
We just need more information right now <_<.


If 343 won't even reveal Jun;s fate, we ain't getting anythign Halo 4 related.

  • 10.01.2011 7:41 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

25 billion isn't that big for humanity in the Halo Universe.

  • 10.01.2011 9:45 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Earth was hit hard. The Covenant didn't know where the Ark was at first.

As for the casualties, I have no idea how many are left. I've seen as low as 200 million to as high as a few billion.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 9:59 PM PDT]

  • 10.01.2011 9:58 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Earth should look like Serra from Gears of War.

The population was in the billions, and by the the end of the war it was 200 million. Most of the cities and infrastructure must be rubble.

  • 10.01.2011 10:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: anton1792
Earth should look like Serra from Gears of War.

The population was in the billions, and by the the end of the war it was 200 million. Most of the cities and infrastructure must be rubble.


New Mombasa no longer exists, Cleveland was hit pretty hard and Cuba lost it's space elevator. Heck, the damage those would cause...

  • 10.01.2011 10:09 PM PDT

You guys are all acting like Cortana and Halsey are the only smart people out of the entire human race

  • 10.04.2011 5:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: UncivilClover99
You guys are all acting like Cortana and Halsey are the only smart people out of the entire human race

No. But it would be realistic to assume a lot of scientists died in the war. There is a reason ONI is absorbing anyone they can find into their research departments. That and the fact both Cortana and Halsey were the big experts in the Forerunner department doesn't help much.

  • 10.04.2011 5:50 PM PDT

you gues are forgeting the humans are alies with the elites....

elites know how to use and make highly advanced tech. so they probably had the elites make or help make a ship for them.

  • 10.04.2011 8:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: jimbob kill you
you gues are forgeting the humans are alies with the elites....

elites know how to use and make highly advanced tech. so they probably had the elites make or help make a ship for them.

The Elite's own understanding of the scientific principles underpinning their technology is worse than Humanity's, as is their knowledge of how to build this technology. The Sangheili don't know how to build new weapons and ships or how to even repair them. I would say that they are in a far worse situation for the long term.

And there really is no such thing as a Sangheili-Human alliance. Especially not when ONI wants to kill Thel 'Vadam in Glasslands, or when the Sangheili promise nothing to the UNSC even after their disgusting genocide (Not one ship in good faith...), or when Humanity has to compete with the Elites for Forerunner technology - their own inheritance. The Elite's are of no aid to the UNSC it appears. More of a hindrance.

  • 10.05.2011 10:12 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: jimbob kill you
you gues are forgeting the humans are alies with the elites....

elites know how to use and make highly advanced tech. so they probably had the elites make or help make a ship for them.

The Elite's own understanding of the scientific principles underpinning their technology is worse than Humanity's, as is their knowledge of how to build this technology. The Sangheili don't know how to build new weapons and ships or how to even repair them. I would say that they are in a far worse situation for the long term.

And there really is no such thing as a Sangheili-Human alliance. Especially not when ONI wants to kill Thel 'Vadam in Glasslands, or when the Sangheili promise nothing to the UNSC even after their disgusting genocide (Not one ship in good faith...), or when Humanity has to compete with the Elites for Forerunner technology - their own inheritance. The Elite's are of no aid to the UNSC it appears. More of a hindrance.


All true.

  • 10.05.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: jimbob kill you
you gues are forgeting the humans are alies with the elites....

elites know how to use and make highly advanced tech. so they probably had the elites make or help make a ship for them.

The Elite's own understanding of the scientific principles underpinning their technology is worse than Humanity's, as is their knowledge of how to build this technology. The Sangheili don't know how to build new weapons and ships or how to even repair them. I would say that they are in a far worse situation for the long term.

And there really is no such thing as a Sangheili-Human alliance. Especially not when ONI wants to kill Thel 'Vadam in Glasslands, or when the Sangheili promise nothing to the UNSC even after their disgusting genocide (Not one ship in good faith...), or when Humanity has to compete with the Elites for Forerunner technology - their own inheritance. The Elite's are of no aid to the UNSC it appears. More of a hindrance.


All true.


If anything, it shows humanity as being pants on head retarded. During halo 3 there was a cease fire. Both sides (as I've read) continued to follow it even though there was no solid treaty.

However ONI figurez the best course for peace would be aiding the elite rebels and possibly being found out and thus causing another war instead of helping Thel and the standing Elite government, earning respect and maaaaybe gaining an alliance. If nothing else a less-shaky cease fire.


So yep, Elites are not going to be helping humans in the short term. Even if they could, they'd have no real reason currently other then possibly Thel trying to create better ties between the two.

  • 10.05.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If anything, it shows humanity as being pants on head retarded. During halo 3 there was a cease fire. Both sides (as I've read) continued to follow it even though there was no solid treaty.

However ONI figurez the best course for peace would be aiding the elite rebels and possibly being found out and thus causing another war instead of helping Thel and the standing Elite government, earning respect and maaaaybe gaining an alliance. If nothing else a less-shaky cease fire.

Yeah. Though we can either say that Humanity are being retards or take it out of Universe and say that 343i are just being the retards. I mean, putting one's faith in the leader of the Elite faction that a) still holds contempt for Humans and b) still views Forerunner artifacts as holy. A potentially disastrous combination, especially if 'Telcam decides to reveal the whole plot to the rest of his race and have them turn on Humanity, out of spite or religious reasons. I doubt ONI never thought this far too risky. But I guess we just have to accept that this is the way the post Halo 3 universe is heading and that the plot needs Humanity to be short sighted.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
So yep, Elites are not going to be helping humans in the short term. Even if they could, they'd have no real reason currently other then possibly Thel trying to create better ties between the two.

I always thought that they would as well. I mean, I thought that Bungie made their own intentions for the two quite clear post Halo 3, as well as the Elites being this "noble" and "honorable" race that would surely feel a bit crappy for killing so many people. (Because no decent person would not) It appears that the writers want to call the Sangheili noble whilst have them do petty and malicious things. In other words they want to have their cake and then eat it.

  • 10.05.2011 3:06 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Now I feel a little sad Karen Traviss has to work with that scenario.

  • 10.05.2011 3:08 PM PDT