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Subject: UNSC INFINITY discussion

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Now I feel a little sad Karen Traviss has to work with that scenario.

To be fair, I would not personally blame Traviss. She is probably a very good author, but has been given a set of plot points and parameters from Frank O'Connor or whoever it is charting out the future of the franchise that she must base her story off of and incorporate into it.

  • 10.05.2011 3:46 PM PDT
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Stay on topic.

Even with distance in the equation that CAS-class Assault Carrier under it (seems to be entering atmosphere) seems smaller. Anyway, why is it called a CAS-class Assault Carrier now?

  • 10.05.2011 4:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Stay on topic.

Even with distance in the equation that CAS-class Assault Carrier under it (seems to be entering atmosphere) seems smaller. Anyway, why is it called a CAS-class Assault Carrier now?


It kinda IS part of the topic. The Infinity obviously uses some Forerunner influence, but where did humanity get it?

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  • 10.05.2011 4:09 PM PDT

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I hope that "Stay on topic" remark was not directed at us...

Especially when said topic has nothing to with CAS-class Assault Carriers or Covenant ship class naming conventions...

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  • 10.05.2011 5:26 PM PDT

yas334229812

well we know its unsc but dont know the timeframe

sowe just come back full circle

well we are told that the game starts at 2553

and about the pelvis guard being missing. why would that be was due to some unfortunate accident

[Edited on 10.06.2011 2:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.06.2011 2:48 PM PDT

Fine, staying on topic. How about this: The UNSC started building the Infinity after Cortana and Master Chief came back from their adventure on Halo. It probably wasn't being built on Earth (remember, ONI had a sneaking suspicion that the Covenant were in on Earth's location), and was meant to be used in the war. It was so advanced because of the data Cortana collected from the [i]Ascendant Justice[/]. But it was finished once the war ended, so now its just herp derping around.

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  • 10.06.2011 3:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: UncivilClover99
Fine, staying on topic. How about this: The UNSC started building the Infinity after Cortana and Master Chief came back from their adventure on Halo. It probably wasn't being built on Earth (remember, ONI had a sneaking suspicion that the Covenant were in on Earth's location), and was meant to be used in the war. It was so advanced because of the data Cortana collected from the [i]Ascendant Justice[/]. But it was finished once the war ended, so now its just herp derping around.


1. I don't recall ONI having a suspension that the Covenant knew Earth's location. They did with Reach, however when it was revealed they knew of Earth's location in First Strike, it came as a huge shock to everyone, especially to the ONI operative that survived Halo.

2. How exactly were they able to create a ship that is far more technologically advanced than any other UNSC ship in a span of little over than a month even with Cortana's data? It took years to crack the energy shielding of the Covenant.

Besides, with news of the Covenant heading towards Earth, I think it would be smarter to shift the funds towards more ships to guard Earth, not a single ship somewhere away from Earth.

3. With the UNSC in complete shambles, why is it just herp derping around?

  • 10.06.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: UncivilClover99
Fine, staying on topic. How about this: The UNSC started building the Infinity after Cortana and Master Chief came back from their adventure on Halo. It probably wasn't being built on Earth (remember, ONI had a sneaking suspicion that the Covenant were in on Earth's location), and was meant to be used in the war. It was so advanced because of the data Cortana collected from the [i]Ascendant Justice[/]. But it was finished once the war ended, so now its just herp derping around.


1. I don't recall ONI having a suspension that the Covenant knew Earth's location. They did with Reach, however when it was revealed they knew of Earth's location in First Strike, it came as a huge shock to everyone, especially to the ONI operative that survived Halo.

2. How exactly were they able to create a ship that is far more technologically advanced than any other UNSC ship in a span of little over than a month even with Cortana's data? It took years to crack the energy shielding of the Covenant.

Besides, with news of the Covenant heading towards Earth, I think it would be smarter to shift the funds towards more ships to guard Earth, not a single ship somewhere away from Earth.

3. With the UNSC in complete shambles, why is it just herp derping around?


1. Because Reach was the cosmic front doorstep from Earth.
2. I didn't say it took them one month. They could've started in 2552 and finished it up in 2553. And yeah, they'd be pulling back every ship to Earth, but they'd still have manufacturing capabilities somewhere else.
3. Because the war is over. Or maybe it would be helping with the reconstruction effort. Or something.

  • 10.06.2011 5:55 PM PDT

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Man that name for a ship is absolutely terrible, that must have taken them literally 5 minutes of thinking.

UNSC Infinity. UNSC Excalibur! UNSC Justice Sword!!

I wish they'd keep the humor of the UNSC names like Say My Name and Bum Rush. I like the more serious ones too like Pillar of Autumn because they are evocative..... but Infinity? What a bummer.

  • 10.06.2011 6:02 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Man that name for a ship is absolutely terrible, that must have taken them literally 5 minutes of thinking.

UNSC Infinity. UNSC Excalibur! UNSC Justice Sword!!

I wish they'd keep the humor of the UNSC names like Say My Name and Bum Rush. I like the more serious ones too like Pillar of Autumn because they are evocative..... but Infinity? What a bummer.


Why do you think it is so bad?

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  • 10.06.2011 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: UncivilClover99
1. Because Reach was the cosmic front doorstep from Earth.


And yet it still came as a complete shock when they found out the Covenant were heading to Earth. They still thought Earth's location was a secret before First Strike.

2. I didn't say it took them one month. They could've started in 2552 and finished it up in 2553. And yeah, they'd be pulling back every ship to Earth, but they'd still have manufacturing capabilities somewhere else.

The Halo wiki said it was pressed into service at around 2553, though I have no idea where it's source is. Regardless, instead of building up their defenses and rebuilding their infrastructure, I would think the UNSC could wait on experimental ships.

3. Because the war is over. Or maybe it would be helping with the reconstruction effort. Or something.


Herp derping doesn't really help with reconstruction, neither does herp derping around some Forerunner sphere lightyears away from UNSC space.

  • 10.06.2011 8:10 PM PDT

1. Not a complete shock. Colenel Ackerson mentioned pulling back every ship to earth. Why would they do that unless they knew Earth was about to be attacked?
2. Because the situation is still pretty unstable. The UNSC needs to have ships that are actually worth -blam!-.
3. Fine, no herp derping.

  • 10.08.2011 6:56 AM PDT

False on one. When Reach fell all ships were called back to Earth because the primary defense (inner colonies) was gone and Earth typically didn't have a large fleet around it.

As for two... the UNSC would rather tried and true ships, not experimental ones that can backfire/mess up middle of combat. You don't see modern armies rushing experimental aircraft into service do you?

  • 10.08.2011 8:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
False on one. When Reach fell all ships were called back to Earth because the primary defense (inner colonies) was gone and Earth typically didn't have a large fleet around it.

As for two... the UNSC would rather tried and true ships, not experimental ones that can backfire/mess up middle of combat. You don't see modern armies rushing experimental aircraft into service do you?

I'm pretty sure that WW2 counts as "modern", so NSDAP people. =P

  • 10.08.2011 9:01 AM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Judging from Halo: Legends, probably around 3 years, she does claim to be 7 at the time. I have no answer on the exact time, but if it's before 2610, which the Encyclopedia states Chief is still MIA, it's too soon.

I honestly can't imagine Chief chilling in a cryo tube for 30+ years. It's possible with power, but then that brings up the issue of what is sustaining him for that journey and I'm not sure how much power a ship split in half has after a few years.

That's how I see it.


Mendicant Bias said that he wanted to set things straight and was going to try and help the chief to make ammends. Possibly, just maybe he had ordered sentinels to sustain the engines and generators of the ship.

  • 10.08.2011 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Judging from Halo: Legends, probably around 3 years, she does claim to be 7 at the time. I have no answer on the exact time, but if it's before 2610, which the Encyclopedia states Chief is still MIA, it's too soon.

I honestly can't imagine Chief chilling in a cryo tube for 30+ years. It's possible with power, but then that brings up the issue of what is sustaining him for that journey and I'm not sure how much power a ship split in half has after a few years.

That's how I see it.


Mendicant Bias said that he wanted to set things straight and was going to try and help the chief to make ammends. Possibly, just maybe he had ordered sentinels to sustain the engines and generators of the ship.


Sentinels wouldn't survive the transition and journey in Slipspace.

  • 10.08.2011 2:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
False on one. When Reach fell all ships were called back to Earth because the primary defense (inner colonies) was gone and Earth typically didn't have a large fleet around it.

As for two... the UNSC would rather tried and true ships, not experimental ones that can backfire/mess up middle of combat. You don't see modern armies rushing experimental aircraft into service do you?


True, but the ships the UNSC have are tried and true... to be flaming piles of crap compared to covenant. And modern armies don't use inferior equipment if they can help it.

  • 10.08.2011 7:11 PM PDT


Posted by: risay_117
well we know its unsc but dont know the timeframe

sowe just come back full circle

well we are told that the game starts at 2553

and about the pelvis guard being missing. why would that be was due to some unfortunate accident


Nothing has ever said when Halo 4 takes place.

  • 10.08.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

I can't help saying this; whilst UNSC Infinity is still a pretty fitting and cool name for the ship, I still feel UNSC Durandal would have been awesome-er.

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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

I think its a carrier-type vessel created to aid in the reconstruction of the UNSC. I'm almost positive it has a Super MAC, given its evident size. I'm sure its based off of technology from the Ascendant Justice and other tech.

  • 10.09.2011 8:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Nothing has ever said when Halo 4 takes place.


Except for Frankie saying it takes place a few years after Halo 3.

  • 10.09.2011 1:24 PM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
And yet it still spells out threats that are still looming over their heads. Sure it's recently after Halo 3, but the mere fact whoever wrote Cole's report was obviously very worried. He ran projections and even believes we are going to need Cole.


Of course they're going to be worried right after the war, at that point a lot of things would still be uncertain, they wouldn't know how their relations with the Elites will stand, how many colonies they really have left. There would be plenty of reasons to be worried directly after the war, and those worries would be assuaged and abated as time went on.

Why not? Seems pretty clear to me that humanities infrastructure isn't very good. You guys have asked for sources showing humanities infrastructure and resource base is pretty bad, yet I show you it and now it's just hyperbole? Interesting.

I have never questioned that they're in a poor spot or asked for proof of such, I know they are and they are not going to recover quickly. I just don't think it's going to take nearly as long as you and others seem to think it will. And I do think that statement sounds a lot like hyperbole. People almost always exaggerate things to sound much worse than they really are.

Probably a misreading on my part, but why would they? They are even worse off they we are, no factories, no repairing area, nothing. The mere fact we are stealing their Engineers hints that we are desperate and diplomacy ain't working.

How do you know they don't have any factories or places to repair their equipment? Just because their military prowess is declining does not mean they don't have anything that could repair/rebuild their armies, that just means they can't, and the reason why is explained, they don't really know how to do it all without the Prophets. Covenant space is very vast, I highly doubt that all of their repair facilities and ship building yards just suddenly self-destructed or vanished.
Engineers have nothing to do with our technology or tech level. ONI wants Engineers to study them and to help them understand the Forerunner artifacts, technology, and intel they have amassed throughout the Halo story.

Read The Return, they do.

See above. We don't need the Engineers for helping with our technology that we've always had, they're wanted for study of the Engineers themselves and to aid in understanding the Forerunner technology ONI has and what its applications are and how it could be integrated into existing UNSC blueprints and schematics.

The reason I being this "No recovery in 10 years" thing is because of the Warthog Ruby likes to pass on as proof. Unless it was on the Dawn, then it may come from the Infinity. And if it's from the Infinity, then that means that ship was made pretty fast, a concept I find wholly inadequate.

You can say, "Oh we unlocked the Forerunners' secrets!" or "We had Engineers help."

1. Suddenly unlocking Forerunner secrets is a deus ex machina that only serves to speed the UNSCs recovery enough so they somehow track Chief down and help him. great storytelling.

2. We don't have that many Engineers. The Covenant had potentially hundreds of thousands, I don't know the exact number. We have at most like 5. And we are stealing more from the Elites. But yeah, 5 Engineers totally will speed us along technologically.


1. How is finding out new information on the Forerunner's technology deus ex machina? It has been well established that ONI and the UNSC have been intensely studying any and every Forerunner artifact they come across. And they have been doing this for God knows how long, at least as far back as 2525, though I'm going to guess even further. In order to qualify as deus ex machina it would have had to have come from absolutely no where and not hinted in the story at all and defying the story's own logic. having the UNSC make a break through in understanding Forerunner tech would not qualify. Now if the Prophets suddenly reappeared and decided to be best buds with the UNSC and they gave them 15,000 Forerunner Dreadnoughts, that would be deus ex machina.

2. IIRC I think we had at 30 of them after the events of First Strike, and then who knows how many more have been captured from other battles or came over willingly like Vergil did. And in any case even one Engineer would be able to help the UNSC have a better understand of Forerunner tech.

  • 10.09.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Coma, regarding the sorry spot the Elites are in, you really need to go read The Return.

  • 10.09.2011 1:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Coma, regarding the sorry spot the Elites are in, you really need to go read The Return.

They appear to be abandoning perfectly good facilities. I have no idea why, given that they are automated and that the Elites essentially don't need to lift a finger but it may have something to do with maintenance. (It is beginning to sound like the Engineers have deserted them) Either way, they appear to be throwing away infrastructure.

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  • 10.09.2011 2:55 PM PDT