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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
And yet it still spells out threats that are still looming over their heads. Sure it's recently after Halo 3, but the mere fact whoever wrote Cole's report was obviously very worried. He ran projections and even believes we are going to need Cole.
Of course they're going to be worried right after the war, at that point a lot of things would still be uncertain, they wouldn't know how their relations with the Elites will stand, how many colonies they really have left. There would be plenty of reasons to be worried directly after the war, and those worries would be assuaged and abated as time went on.
Why not? Seems pretty clear to me that humanities infrastructure isn't very good. You guys have asked for sources showing humanities infrastructure and resource base is pretty bad, yet I show you it and now it's just hyperbole? Interesting.
I have never questioned that they're in a poor spot or asked for proof of such, I know they are and they are not going to recover quickly. I just don't think it's going to take nearly as long as you and others seem to think it will. And I do think that statement sounds a lot like hyperbole. People almost always exaggerate things to sound much worse than they really are.
Probably a misreading on my part, but why would they? They are even worse off they we are, no factories, no repairing area, nothing. The mere fact we are stealing their Engineers hints that we are desperate and diplomacy ain't working.
How do you know they don't have any factories or places to repair their equipment? Just because their military prowess is declining does not mean they don't have anything that could repair/rebuild their armies, that just means they can't, and the reason why is explained, they don't really know how to do it all without the Prophets. Covenant space is very vast, I highly doubt that all of their repair facilities and ship building yards just suddenly self-destructed or vanished.
Engineers have nothing to do with our technology or tech level. ONI wants Engineers to study them and to help them understand the Forerunner artifacts, technology, and intel they have amassed throughout the Halo story.
Read The Return, they do.
See above. We don't need the Engineers for helping with our technology that we've always had, they're wanted for study of the Engineers themselves and to aid in understanding the Forerunner technology ONI has and what its applications are and how it could be integrated into existing UNSC blueprints and schematics.
The reason I being this "No recovery in 10 years" thing is because of the Warthog Ruby likes to pass on as proof. Unless it was on the Dawn, then it may come from the Infinity. And if it's from the Infinity, then that means that ship was made pretty fast, a concept I find wholly inadequate.
You can say, "Oh we unlocked the Forerunners' secrets!" or "We had Engineers help."
1. Suddenly unlocking Forerunner secrets is a deus ex machina that only serves to speed the UNSCs recovery enough so they somehow track Chief down and help him. great storytelling.
2. We don't have that many Engineers. The Covenant had potentially hundreds of thousands, I don't know the exact number. We have at most like 5. And we are stealing more from the Elites. But yeah, 5 Engineers totally will speed us along technologically.
1. How is finding out new information on the Forerunner's technology deus ex machina? It has been well established that ONI and the UNSC have been intensely studying any and every Forerunner artifact they come across. And they have been doing this for God knows how long, at least as far back as 2525, though I'm going to guess even further. In order to qualify as deus ex machina it would have had to have come from absolutely no where and not hinted in the story at all and defying the story's own logic. having the UNSC make a break through in understanding Forerunner tech would not qualify. Now if the Prophets suddenly reappeared and decided to be best buds with the UNSC and they gave them 15,000 Forerunner Dreadnoughts, that would be deus ex machina.
2. IIRC I think we had at 30 of them after the events of First Strike, and then who knows how many more have been captured from other battles or came over willingly like Vergil did. And in any case even one Engineer would be able to help the UNSC have a better understand of Forerunner tech.