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Subject: The Timeless One - Not the Last Precursor?

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: Sniffy66
Now I could be totally wrong here but in Cryptum didn't they one time refer to the TO as an intelligence?. Calling something an intelligence usually means it is an AI or robotic in nature.
Yes, but they referred to it as an intelligence for a totally different reason. The ancient humans, in desperate conflict with the Flood and the Forerunners, turned to the Timeless One to seek help, to seek intelligence. When they did so those who communicated with it committed suicide after hearing what it spoke.

  • 10.01.2011 6:49 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: hotshot revan II
Wow OP,i never noticed that last quote.

Great find man ,we should all reread Cryptum to find all these little things before Primordium comes.
I feel like this is hardly little.

  • 10.01.2011 7:15 AM PDT


Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Wow OP,i never noticed that last quote.

Great find man ,we should all reread Cryptum to find all these little things before Primordium comes.
I feel like this is hardly little.


I believe he's referring to the ambiguity of the quote itself--just a random, one line-long sentence everybody missed could possibly change everything, as it were in this case.

  • 10.01.2011 7:20 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Wow OP,i never noticed that last quote.

Great find man ,we should all reread Cryptum to find all these little things before Primordium comes.
I feel like this is hardly little.


I believe he's referring to the ambiguity of the quote itself--just a random, one line-long sentence everybody missed could possibly change everything, as it were in this case.


Yup :)

In fact i just noticed the folliwing little thing in the famous quote of the Timeless One

TO said "we meet again"

Weird,as that moment was the first time Didact saw the TO and yet it said he once met the Didact before??

I'm currently working on that one and i bet Master Chief has some relation with that too.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 7:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.01.2011 7:28 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Wow OP,i never noticed that last quote.

Great find man ,we should all reread Cryptum to find all these little things before Primordium comes.
I feel like this is hardly little.


I believe he's referring to the ambiguity of the quote itself--just a random, one line-long sentence everybody missed could possibly change everything, as it were in this case.


Yup :)

In fact i just noticed the folliwing little thing in the famous quote of the Timeless One

TO said "we meet again"

Weird,as that moment was the first time Didact saw the TO and yet it said he once met the Didact before??

I'm currently working on that one and i bet Master Chief has some relation with that too.
I think it actually has something to do with Mendicant Bias. When MB was communicating with TO for 43 years and sending reports back to the Forerunners, I'm sure Mendicant would disclose much information about the Forerunners, especially the Didact to TO. And since it was part AI, It could possibly be given access to the Domain to literally see and feel the Didact. Thus meeting him once artificially, and then meeting him 'again'.

[Edited on 10.01.2011 7:34 AM PDT]

  • 10.01.2011 7:33 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Wow OP,i never noticed that last quote.

Great find man ,we should all reread Cryptum to find all these little things before Primordium comes.
I feel like this is hardly little.


I believe he's referring to the ambiguity of the quote itself--just a random, one line-long sentence everybody missed could possibly change everything, as it were in this case.


Yup :)

In fact i just noticed the folliwing little thing in the famous quote of the Timeless One

TO said "we meet again"

Weird,as that moment was the first time Didact saw the TO and yet it said he once met the Didact before??

I'm currently working on that one and i bet Master Chief has some relation with that too.
I think it actually has something to do with Mendicant Bias. When MB was communicating with TO for 43 years and sending reports back to the Forerunners, I'm sure Mendicant would disclose much information about the Forerunners, especially the Didact to TO. And since it was part AI, It could possibly be given access to the Domain to literally see and feel the Didact. Thus meeting him once artificially, and then meeting him 'again'.


One problem:

TO taked with the Didact during the end of the Human-Forerunne war and not during the Forerunner-Flood war

Unless i'm mistaken,who knows the Didact has a geas from the Precursors and that geas contains the anwswer to defeat the TO which is why MB said that the Didact/Born is a danger to his master.And that same geas is inside the Chief too which is why Spark talks to Chief as if he is the Didact in CE

  • 10.01.2011 7:39 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Unless i'm mistaken,who knows the Didact has a geas from the Precursors and that geas contains the anwswer to defeat the TO which is why MB said that the Didact/Born is a danger to his master.And that same geas is inside the Chief too which is why Spark talks to Chief as if he is the Didact in CE

I like this idea better.

  • 10.01.2011 8:00 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

This would mean that the "Timeless One" was the plan of vengeance against the Forerunners. He was locked up in Charrum Hakkor with all those security measures because the Precursors didn't want the Forerunners to kill it. But once that halo ring was activated he escaped his stasis field to the workings of the Precursors. If he is mechanical than it would explain why he was in that capsule for millions of years without getting hungry or requiring some sort of substance to eat. - K Towns Reaper

Input from the 343i forums.. Interesting.

  • 10.01.2011 9:28 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

^ That seems quite improbable. It relies upon the Forerunners developing neural weaponry (To break the cage) and then either testing it on Hakkor or firing it in a galaxy wide burst. The likelihood of them developing Neural weaponry might be high as their technological understanding progresses, but betting on them testing it on any one particular planet out of billions is astronomically improbable. If it is a galaxy wide burst, for whatever reason, then the entire galaxy will be sterilized anyway making the Precursors plan pointless in the end. I don't think they planned on putting him in there with the expectations that he will be released some day by the Forerunners.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Yea,then we still need to know what the "answer" of the Precursors really is.

And the Primordium news page on waypoint says something about "the last testament of the Precursors"

  • 10.01.2011 9:44 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: anton1792
^ That seems quite improbable. It relies upon the Forerunners developing neural weaponry (To break the cage) and then either testing it on Hakkor or firing it in a galaxy wide burst. The likelihood of them developing Neural weaponry might be high as their technological understanding progresses, but betting on them testing it on any one particular planet out of billions is astronomically improbable. If it is a galaxy wide burst, for whatever reason, then the entire galaxy will be sterilized anyway making the Precursors plan pointless in the end. I don't think they planned on putting him in there with the expectations that he will be released some day by the Forerunners.
But they did...

  • 10.01.2011 9:45 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: anton1792
^ That seems quite improbable. It relies upon the Forerunners developing neural weaponry (To break the cage) and then either testing it on Hakkor or firing it in a galaxy wide burst. The likelihood of them developing Neural weaponry might be high as their technological understanding progresses, but betting on them testing it on any one particular planet out of billions is astronomically improbable. If it is a galaxy wide burst, for whatever reason, then the entire galaxy will be sterilized anyway making the Precursors plan pointless in the end. I don't think they planned on putting him in there with the expectations that he will be released some day by the Forerunners.
But they did...

How though? All he knows is what his people planned to do before he was locked away. That does not necessarily mean that he is involved in it.

Supposing that the Precursor could predict the actions of a civilization over the timescale of millions of years so as to come to a prediction as accurate as a specific technology at a specific place among billions of other possible choices is ludicrous. It then also assumes that the Forerunners would want to use neural weaponry to open the cage. They regarded it as a monster and had no intentions of doing so after finding it. Had it not been for Mendicant Bias, the Prisoner would never have gotten out. So the Precursors plan, if it is what that guy says it is, almost failed at one of the most obviously dubious assumptions - that the Forerunner would want to open it.

The only thing that could vindicate that idea is if the Prisoner could choose to exit that cage at any time he wished to do so. There is no evidence that he could - he is called a Prisoner after all. He only got free after having his cage destroyed.

  • 10.01.2011 10:18 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: matman25402
Posted by: anton1792
^ That seems quite improbable. It relies upon the Forerunners developing neural weaponry (To break the cage) and then either testing it on Hakkor or firing it in a galaxy wide burst. The likelihood of them developing Neural weaponry might be high as their technological understanding progresses, but betting on them testing it on any one particular planet out of billions is astronomically improbable. If it is a galaxy wide burst, for whatever reason, then the entire galaxy will be sterilized anyway making the Precursors plan pointless in the end. I don't think they planned on putting him in there with the expectations that he will be released some day by the Forerunners.
But they did...

How though?
It just did.. I mean that's the story.

  • 10.01.2011 11:48 AM PDT

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I can see this possible. then can some* of flood be part machine too? i see it possible. mabie so they could survive the wipeout. nice find

  • 10.01.2011 12:04 PM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: KazPluto
I can see this possible. then can some* of flood be part machine too? i see it possible. mabie so they could survive the wipeout. nice find
No. The flood itself is pure parasite. The Gravemind however, we have multiple instances and situations which lead us to believe it is part AI.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I always thought the Prisoner is lying, now I know I was right. Amazing how three lines of dialogue can turn everything upside own.

  • 10.01.2011 9:02 PM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: Xd00999
I always thought the Prisoner is lying, now I know I was right. Amazing how three lines of dialogue can turn everything upside own.
It's interesting how no one else seemed to pick up on this until this late. Primordium is almost here.

  • 10.01.2011 9:54 PM PDT

WHERE THE -blam- do you guys found out all this crap!???? I MEAN REALLY!

  • 10.01.2011 10:03 PM PDT

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WHERE THE -blam- do you guys found out all this crap!???? I MEAN REALLY!


Reading the book.

  • 10.01.2011 10:04 PM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: I Tiny Demon I
WHERE THE -blam- do you guys found out all this crap!???? I MEAN REALLY!


I advise you to stay away from bnet universe after the release of primordium and glasslands respectively until you have finished reading them to avoid spoilers. The same goes for CEA(terminals) and the reclaimer trilogy.

Seriously, it's so much better to find out these things first hand from the stories rather than from users on the universe forums.
This is true. Cryptum will blow your mind. I can't even imagine what secrets Primordium will release. Glasslands to me will only be relevant because we find out what the greatest species in the universe, the Sangheili, are up to post Halo 3.

  • 10.02.2011 7:03 AM PDT

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