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  • 10.01.2011 10:42 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Most likely the Master Chief

  • 10.01.2011 10:44 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Probably Master Chief. The Last True Reclaimer would obviously be a very important individual. MC is the center of the Halo universe. Or Humanity at large has been defeated some time after Halo 3 and the mantle has failed, and this is the last reclaimer. Or that Humanity are not reclaimers after all, and that this is the only one left.

  • 10.01.2011 10:53 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

It seems he isn't a being out flesh anymore which is why he survied that long,poor Chakas,what happened with you :(

It actually excites me ,that we will meet the characters from the FR trilogy in the reclaimer trilogy.

I bet Bornstellar appears too as he is the narrator in Cryptum,which means he is still alife like Chakas .

  • 10.01.2011 10:54 AM PDT

I could svvear to god that the terminals say the Didact (or in this case Bornstellar, if you read the book you get it) vvas on the ARK during the firing of the installations, doesn't that mean he actually survived it all and on top of that vvouldn't that mean Chakas and Riser vvere also on the Ark?

  • 10.01.2011 12:16 PM PDT

I think the word "True" needs to be taken in the same sense as "Last" was in "Last Spartan alive" back in the days.

What I think is going on, is Chakas somehow is still alive during the days of the new Trilogies. Probably somehow brought in the same state the Didact was in during the start of Cryptum.
And the first real decendand of ancient Humanity he encounters and probably knows of would be Chief (presumably). Hence the "last true Reclaimer".

Because, quite frankly, there is nothing that can logically make a Spartan more "Reclaimer" than any other Human seeing as every Human is a Reclaimer (H3/Contact Harvest etc). So Chakas must either just think that is the case (much like we though Chief was the last Spartan), or this conversation takes place late in the upcoming conflict and Humanity is wiped out except for the one he speaks to (unlikely).

  • 10.02.2011 6:39 AM PDT


Posted by: DonVinzone1
I think the word "True" needs to be taken in the same sense as "Last" was in "Last Spartan alive" back in the days.

What I think is going on, is Chakas somehow is still alive during the days of the new Trilogies. Probably somehow brought in the same state the Didact was in during the start of Cryptum.
And the first real decendand of ancient Humanity he encounters and probably knows of would be Chief (presumably). Hence the "last true Reclaimer".

Because, quite frankly, there is nothing that can logically make a Spartan more "Reclaimer" than any other Human seeing as every Human is a Reclaimer (H3/Contact Harvest etc). So Chakas must either just think that is the case (much like we though Chief was the last Spartan), or this conversation takes place late in the upcoming conflict and Humanity is wiped out except for the one he speaks to (unlikely).

This true reclaimer -blam!- is mind blovving.
Hovv can vve knovv vvhat a true reclaimer is?
Johnson activated the Ark, Anders the Forerunner dreadnought etc etc etc etc.

  • 10.02.2011 6:57 AM PDT


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: hotshot revan II
It seems he isn't a being out flesh anymore which is why he survied that long,poor Chakas,what happened with you :(

It actually excites me ,that we will meet the characters from the FR trilogy in the reclaimer trilogy.

I bet Bornstellar appears too as he is the narrator in Cryptum,which means he is still alife like Chakas .


I wish FR trilogy characters would feature somehow in the reclaimer trilogy, namely the ones mentioned above but greg bear will have to have a good excuse for them surviving the halo firing that went on during the assault on the maginot sphere.


A reasonable chunk of the Forerunner civilization survived and left the galaxy, we've known that for years. It isn't hard to believe these characters could have too.

Posted by: DonVinzone1
I think the word "True" needs to be taken in the same sense as "Last" was in "Last Spartan alive" back in the days.

What I think is going on, is Chakas somehow is still alive during the days of the new Trilogies. Probably somehow brought in the same state the Didact was in during the start of Cryptum.
And the first real decendand of ancient Humanity he encounters and probably knows of would be Chief (presumably). Hence the "last true Reclaimer".

Because, quite frankly, there is nothing that can logically make a Spartan more "Reclaimer" than any other Human seeing as every Human is a Reclaimer (H3/Contact Harvest etc). So Chakas must either just think that is the case (much like we though Chief was the last Spartan), or this conversation takes place late in the upcoming conflict and Humanity is wiped out except for the one he speaks to (unlikely).


Humans are Reclaimers yes, but Chakas' quote leads me to believe the Spartans represent the first generation of "true" reclaimers in the human race. By that I mean to say, they're more like the Forerunners.

The Forerunners were a race who were quite similar to the Spartans. At the advent of adolescents, give or take, a Forerunner would go through a biological augmentation to better suit themselves for their job. These 'mutations' varied depending on class, but the idea is the same: generally, you'd become super strong, extremely tall and large, have access to unique armors, and had some superior cognitive function, found in the wisdom past down from the mentor as well as access to the Domain.

Forerunners, too, are also associated with an AI that seems to reside in the back of their mind (Born, in fact, was so similar in the regards of mutation and AI to John, I got the inkling he will play a role in the Reclaimer trilogy somehow and the connections were deliberate).

Anyway, Spartans are quite similar to the Forerunners in the above regards. Perhaps a "true" reclaimer is someone who fits these augments. I don't know for sure, just speaking as the thoughts come, but as far as the Chief knows, he is the last Spartan alive, so if he told Chakas something like "there are none like me anymore" Chakas could glean from that he is the las "true" Reclaimer.

[Edited on 10.02.2011 7:20 AM PDT]

  • 10.02.2011 7:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: ChrisVN

Posted by: DonVinzone1
I think the word "True" needs to be taken in the same sense as "Last" was in "Last Spartan alive" back in the days.

What I think is going on, is Chakas somehow is still alive during the days of the new Trilogies. Probably somehow brought in the same state the Didact was in during the start of Cryptum.
And the first real decendand of ancient Humanity he encounters and probably knows of would be Chief (presumably). Hence the "last true Reclaimer".

Because, quite frankly, there is nothing that can logically make a Spartan more "Reclaimer" than any other Human seeing as every Human is a Reclaimer (H3/Contact Harvest etc). So Chakas must either just think that is the case (much like we though Chief was the last Spartan), or this conversation takes place late in the upcoming conflict and Humanity is wiped out except for the one he speaks to (unlikely).

This true reclaimer -blam!- is mind blovving.
Hovv can vve knovv vvhat a true reclaimer is?
Johnson activated the Ark, Anders the Forerunner dreadnought etc etc etc etc.


Yes indeed, there are too many times in which the term reclaimer is used loosely. 343i needs to make a solid definition. If all humans are reclaimers then surely chakas is one too isn't he? But then he wouldn't use the term "last true reclaimer" to whoever he was talking to.
Yes. Not all humans are reclaimers... *cough* anton...*cough*

I'm not going to debate about it though. We will surely find out in Primordium. If not Primordium then the last Forerunner novel, or Halo 4.

  • 10.02.2011 7:09 AM PDT


Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: ChrisVN

Posted by: DonVinzone1
I think the word "True" needs to be taken in the same sense as "Last" was in "Last Spartan alive" back in the days.

What I think is going on, is Chakas somehow is still alive during the days of the new Trilogies. Probably somehow brought in the same state the Didact was in during the start of Cryptum.
And the first real decendand of ancient Humanity he encounters and probably knows of would be Chief (presumably). Hence the "last true Reclaimer".

Because, quite frankly, there is nothing that can logically make a Spartan more "Reclaimer" than any other Human seeing as every Human is a Reclaimer (H3/Contact Harvest etc). So Chakas must either just think that is the case (much like we though Chief was the last Spartan), or this conversation takes place late in the upcoming conflict and Humanity is wiped out except for the one he speaks to (unlikely).

This true reclaimer -blam!- is mind blovving.
Hovv can vve knovv vvhat a true reclaimer is?
Johnson activated the Ark, Anders the Forerunner dreadnought etc etc etc etc.


Yes indeed, there are too many times in which the term reclaimer is used loosely. 343i needs to make a solid definition. If all humans are reclaimers then surely chakas is one too isn't he? But then he wouldn't use the term "last true reclaimer" to whoever he was talking to.
Yes. Not all humans are reclaimers... *cough* anton...*cough*

I'm not going to debate about it though. We will surely find out in Primordium. If not Primordium then the last Forerunner novel, or Halo 4.


When was that with "Anton"? Don't remember that one.
But its strange how the whole Reclaimer thing hasn't been made clear yet. At least, Contact Harvest, Cryptum and Halo 3 indicate, no: state (in a way), that every Human is a Reclaimer. But now this is questioning that, and Traviss also supposedly hints at her books saying Spartans are Reclaimers and other Humans are not (not sure if this is true tho! Let's hope not!).

  • 10.02.2011 7:16 AM PDT


Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: ChrisVN

Posted by: DonVinzone1
I think the word "True" needs to be taken in the same sense as "Last" was in "Last Spartan alive" back in the days.

What I think is going on, is Chakas somehow is still alive during the days of the new Trilogies. Probably somehow brought in the same state the Didact was in during the start of Cryptum.
And the first real decendand of ancient Humanity he encounters and probably knows of would be Chief (presumably). Hence the "last true Reclaimer".

Because, quite frankly, there is nothing that can logically make a Spartan more "Reclaimer" than any other Human seeing as every Human is a Reclaimer (H3/Contact Harvest etc). So Chakas must either just think that is the case (much like we though Chief was the last Spartan), or this conversation takes place late in the upcoming conflict and Humanity is wiped out except for the one he speaks to (unlikely).

This true reclaimer -blam!- is mind blovving.
Hovv can vve knovv vvhat a true reclaimer is?
Johnson activated the Ark, Anders the Forerunner dreadnought etc etc etc etc.


Yes indeed, there are too many times in which the term reclaimer is used loosely. 343i needs to make a solid definition. If all humans are reclaimers then surely chakas is one too isn't he? But then he wouldn't use the term "last true reclaimer" to whoever he was talking to.
Yes. Not all humans are reclaimers... *cough* anton...*cough*

I'm not going to debate about it though. We will surely find out in Primordium. If not Primordium then the last Forerunner novel, or Halo 4.

Anton?
Anton 044 the Spartan II or......?

  • 10.02.2011 7:18 AM PDT

I am Field Master Avu Med 'Telcam, Servant of the Abiding Truth, and I have many brothers.

A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.


Posted by: DonVinzone1
When was that with "Anton"? Don't remember that one.
But its strange how the whole Reclaimer thing hasn't been made clear yet. At least, Contact Harvest, Cryptum and Halo 3 indicate, no: state (in a way), that every Human is a Reclaimer. But now this is questioning that, and Traviss also supposedly hints at her books saying Spartans are Reclaimers and other Humans are not (not sure if this is true tho! Let's hope not!).
The Bestarium backs up that idea of Spartans being Reclaimers. If you look here you can see clearly it states Reclaimers are augmented humans. This could justify how Johnson was also classified as a Reclaimer, but Miranda Keyes? Professor Anders? It is still contradictory.

  • 10.02.2011 7:42 AM PDT


Posted by: matman25402

Posted by: DonVinzone1
When was that with "Anton"? Don't remember that one.
But its strange how the whole Reclaimer thing hasn't been made clear yet. At least, Contact Harvest, Cryptum and Halo 3 indicate, no: state (in a way), that every Human is a Reclaimer. But now this is questioning that, and Traviss also supposedly hints at her books saying Spartans are Reclaimers and other Humans are not (not sure if this is true tho! Let's hope not!).
The Bestarium backs up that idea of Spartans being Reclaimers. If you look here you can see clearly it states Reclaimers are augmented humans. This could justify how Johnson was also classified as a Reclaimer, but Miranda Keyes? Professor Anders? It is still contradictory.


You misread that my friend.
That page is specifically about the Chief, and they gave the Spartans a sub-species classification there too (at the top: H. Sapiens Augeos which roughly means -blam!- Sapiens Augmented) and also state its an anomaly amongst the total population of about 200 million Humans.

As it stands within canon, all of Humanity was granted "Reclaimer-hood" by the Librarian. The Lumination device the Covenant use to scan planets indicate every Human being as Reclaimer, and since it was a Forerunner device, we can assume that is correct. And then Anderson, Johnson, Keyes, Chief and Halsey all interacted with Forerunner tech (which is only possible if you are a Reclaimer).
Add this all up and you can see every Human is in fact a Reclaimer.

As to the question raised earlier, why Chakas and Riser aren't referred to as Reclaimer. I assume all of Humanity, except our subspecies, was wiped out which would make them "different" from us. Also, because there wasn't anything to reclaim at that point (of Cryptum etc), they are not referred to as Reclaimers.

  • 10.02.2011 10:31 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I don't know if it's Chief since apparently this last true Reclaimer is recording Chakas' story.

  • 10.02.2011 10:33 AM PDT