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If dont like the idea stay off the post

  • 04.16.2006 4:20 PM PDT
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I've been around these parts for almost eight years now...wow! Maybe I should be concerned about that...

Posted by: Spartan105
If dont like the idea stay off the post

It's not that we don't like the idea, it's just that it's impossible.

  • 04.16.2006 4:22 PM PDT
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Its possible Boreal but for a project this big you would need alot of support like 80% of the world 0_o'' So like not in this life time.

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No no no. We can't mine the moon! Its there for a reason! and if its shape is distorted its rotation will be too and it will flail into earths aptmosphere. We can substitute it with Mars. Who gives a hoe about that anyway!

Im going to do that with a little Halo and put an electro magnetic field around it and make ants llive on it! ill attach a cam on it and propel t into space and see what happens :)

I beleive in theory its good but in practice it will be difficult. Lets not make it to big. Just big enough for us to put it in a relatively flat place on earth so we can work on it. Infact! We will meet up in nevada and steal some stuff from Area-51!!!

...Or maybe we wont raid Nevada. But it sounds cool to do.

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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

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**Calls Bill Gates**

Bill Gates: So wait, your saying you want to build Halo 4-D?

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ummmm. . . odd

  • 04.16.2006 5:41 PM PDT
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a trillion dollars is a huge understatement. Nothing is impossible, EVER! And yes this would take a huge amount of the earths resources. I just wonder how the forruner got them built and so many of them.

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if everyone in the world donated we would hav enough money i mean bill gates has fricken 2 billion dollars!


More like 60 billion. Even then, the logistics of it are just way too extreme, and getting a project like this off the ground would take years (morelikely decades) of work and planning. It's definitely not going to happen in my lifetime our yours, but I will give you props for having a a very good imagination.


have u ever heard of gravity


No. But I do know that it is invisible glue that binds us to the ground.[/sarcasm]

Please, if you're going to say something, at least make sure it makes sense.

  • 04.16.2006 9:23 PM PDT
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Sure it might be our future kids or there kids or even there kids kids that get this thing in space, but shouldn't we start now? And if you think about it, it really isn't as hard as people make it sound. I mean, we know how to make gravity in space kind of! One way would be to make the entire space vehicle spin. Imagine a ball on a string: you can twirl it around and feel the string tugging on your arm. If you have a bucket of water on a string, you can twirl it around and if you twirl it around fast enough, the water stays in the bucket even if you spin it so it goes upside down during part of the swing. The same thing could be done in space: take two space vehicles and connect them on a tether and make them swing around each other to generate a sense of gravity. Theoretically, this is a very attractive idea; early tests with Gemini XI and XII showed that, while it was possible to generate microgravity (too weak for the astronauts to feel), stationkeeping of two tethered spacecrafts was very difficult. NASA has also flown a couple of shuttle missions attempting to deploy a tethered satellite. There were several goals with the tether system, but at least one was to work out how to deploy tethered systems in space. So in theory all we would have to do is to get the outer shell to spin at a high rate of speed, which it could spin on large ball bearings and wouldn't have to be powered by a huge force, just enough to get it started and then we can use a system of magnets such as they do on new roller coasters and rides, some of these rides can get up to 150 mph within seconds. Some trains have this as well. So once we get the outer ring moving we can engage the magnets so that they can pull it the rest of the way and keep it going. And then we could just have a hollow empty shell of a ring on the inside portion and fill it with dirt and rocks and what ever we want from a nearby planet.

This thing could be taken up in sections, such as the space station was. Sure there will be a lot more sections for a halo, it just takes time. But i really dont see why this wouldn't work. Im sure there are things i cant see that will impeded the progress but thats the same with many things people dont think could be done, humans always prevail.

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Posted by: scruss
a trillion dollars is a huge understatement. Nothing is impossible, EVER! And yes this would take a huge amount of the earths resources. I just wonder how the forruner got them built and so many of them.


Think of it as......a deathstar.

Times 100.

  • 04.16.2006 10:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: scruss
Sure it might be our future kids or there kids or even there kids kids that get this thing in space, but shouldn't we start now? And if you think about it, it really isn't as hard as people make it sound. I mean, we know how to make gravity in space kind of! One way would be to make the entire space vehicle spin. Imagine a ball on a string: you can twirl it around and feel the string tugging on your arm. If you have a bucket of water on a string, you can twirl it around and if you twirl it around fast enough, the water stays in the bucket even if you spin it so it goes upside down during part of the swing. The same thing could be done in space: take two space vehicles and connect them on a tether and make them swing around each other to generate a sense of gravity. Theoretically, this is a very attractive idea; early tests with Gemini XI and XII showed that, while it was possible to generate microgravity (too weak for the astronauts to feel), stationkeeping of two tethered spacecrafts was very difficult. NASA has also flown a couple of shuttle missions attempting to deploy a tethered satellite. There were several goals with the tether system, but at least one was to work out how to deploy tethered systems in space. So in theory all we would have to do is to get the outer shell to spin at a high rate of speed, which it could spin on large ball bearings and wouldn't have to be powered by a huge force, just enough to get it started and then we can use a system of magnets such as they do on new roller coasters and rides, some of these rides can get up to 150 mph within seconds. Some trains have this as well. So once we get the outer ring moving we can engage the magnets so that they can pull it the rest of the way and keep it going. And then we could just have a hollow empty shell of a ring on the inside portion and fill it with dirt and rocks and what ever we want from a nearby planet.

This thing could be taken up in sections, such as the space station was. Sure there will be a lot more sections for a halo, it just takes time. But i really dont see why this wouldn't work. Im sure there are things i cant see that will impeded the progress but thats the same with many things people dont think could be done, humans always prevail.

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Alright buddy, we all know that you can use centripital force to simulate gravity, but in space it would not be economical. Zero-G is a lot easier to deal with than gravity, so why spin a ring in the first place? Even then, you would need enormous amounts of fuel to keep it spinning, and even worse, the tension that the structure would feel would be beyond comprehension. If you have ever read Ringworld, you would know that simulating gravity on a structure like this would be impossible, because you would need a material the size of a human hair strong enough to withstand, oh, on the order of billions of tons of weight.

Also, it would take up millions of gigawatts of electricity to get a structure this massive to spin. So unless you just want a gaint, automated hula-hoop floating above the earth, you can take your ill-concieved notions somewhere else.

In other words, it ain't gonna happen, I'm afraid. This project just seems like a useless novelty that would cost trillions of dollars. Why don't we just build a thousand foot tall staue of the Incredible Hulk instead?

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Posted by: Twinfire0
Posted by: scruss
Sure it might be our future kids or there kids or even there kids kids that get this thing in space, but shouldn't we start now? And if you think about it, it really isn't as hard as people make it sound. I mean, we know how to make gravity in space kind of! One way would be to make the entire space vehicle spin. Imagine a ball on a string: you can twirl it around and feel the string tugging on your arm. If you have a bucket of water on a string, you can twirl it around and if you twirl it around fast enough, the water stays in the bucket even if you spin it so it goes upside down during part of the swing. The same thing could be done in space: take two space vehicles and connect them on a tether and make them swing around each other to generate a sense of gravity. Theoretically, this is a very attractive idea; early tests with Gemini XI and XII showed that, while it was possible to generate microgravity (too weak for the astronauts to feel), stationkeeping of two tethered spacecrafts was very difficult. NASA has also flown a couple of shuttle missions attempting to deploy a tethered satellite. There were several goals with the tether system, but at least one was to work out how to deploy tethered systems in space. So in theory all we would have to do is to get the outer shell to spin at a high rate of speed, which it could spin on large ball bearings and wouldn't have to be powered by a huge force, just enough to get it started and then we can use a system of magnets such as they do on new roller coasters and rides, some of these rides can get up to 150 mph within seconds. Some trains have this as well. So once we get the outer ring moving we can engage the magnets so that they can pull it the rest of the way and keep it going. And then we could just have a hollow empty shell of a ring on the inside portion and fill it with dirt and rocks and what ever we want from a nearby planet.

This thing could be taken up in sections, such as the space station was. Sure there will be a lot more sections for a halo, it just takes time. But i really dont see why this wouldn't work. Im sure there are things i cant see that will impeded the progress but thats the same with many things people dont think could be done, humans always prevail.

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Alright buddy, we all know that you can use centripital force to simulate gravity, but in space it would not be economical. Zero-G is a lot easier to deal with than gravity, so why spin a ring in the first place? Even then, you would need enormous amounts of fuel to keep it spinning, and even worse, the tension that the structure would feel would be beyond comprehension. If you have ever read Ringworld, you would know that simulating gravity on a structure like this would be impossible, because you would need a material strong enough to withstand, oh, on the order of billions of tons of weight if it were the size of a human hair.

Ain't gonna happen, I'm afraid. This project just seems like a useless novelty that would cost trillions of dollars. Why don't we just build a thousand foot tall staue of the Incredible Hulk instead?



It wouldn't have to continuessly burn fuel to spin. It would only need one (big) burst of power to get it started. It would then continue to spin by itself.

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Posted by: MChammer2324
It wouldn't have to continuessly burn fuel to spin. It would only need one (big) burst of power to get it started. It would then continue to spin by itself.


It doesn't matter. Read my edit.

i.e., you still can't get it to work anyway, so why even try when you know that you're going to fail?

[Edited on 4/16/2006]

  • 04.16.2006 10:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Twinfire0
Posted by: scruss
Sure it might be our future kids or there kids or even there kids kids that get this thing in space, but shouldn't we start now? And if you think about it, it really isn't as hard as people make it sound. I mean, we know how to make gravity in space kind of! One way would be to make the entire space vehicle spin. Imagine a ball on a string: you can twirl it around and feel the string tugging on your arm. If you have a bucket of water on a string, you can twirl it around and if you twirl it around fast enough, the water stays in the bucket even if you spin it so it goes upside down during part of the swing. The same thing could be done in space: take two space vehicles and connect them on a tether and make them swing around each other to generate a sense of gravity. Theoretically, this is a very attractive idea; early tests with Gemini XI and XII showed that, while it was possible to generate microgravity (too weak for the astronauts to feel), stationkeeping of two tethered spacecrafts was very difficult. NASA has also flown a couple of shuttle missions attempting to deploy a tethered satellite. There were several goals with the tether system, but at least one was to work out how to deploy tethered systems in space. So in theory all we would have to do is to get the outer shell to spin at a high rate of speed, which it could spin on large ball bearings and wouldn't have to be powered by a huge force, just enough to get it started and then we can use a system of magnets such as they do on new roller coasters and rides, some of these rides can get up to 150 mph within seconds. Some trains have this as well. So once we get the outer ring moving we can engage the magnets so that they can pull it the rest of the way and keep it going. And then we could just have a hollow empty shell of a ring on the inside portion and fill it with dirt and rocks and what ever we want from a nearby planet.

This thing could be taken up in sections, such as the space station was. Sure there will be a lot more sections for a halo, it just takes time. But i really dont see why this wouldn't work. Im sure there are things i cant see that will impeded the progress but thats the same with many things people dont think could be done, humans always prevail.

Link to magnet use



Alright buddy, we all know that you can use centripital force to simulate gravity, but in space it would not be economical. Zero-G is a lot easier to deal with than gravity, so why spin a ring in the first place? Even then, you would need enormous amounts of fuel to keep it spinning, and even worse, the tension that the structure would feel would be beyond comprehension. If you have ever read Ringworld, you would know that simulating gravity on a structure like this would be impossible, because you would need a material the size of a human hair strong enough to withstand, oh, on the order of billions of tons of weight.

Ain't gonna happen, I'm afraid. This project just seems like a useless novelty that would cost trillions of dollars. Why don't we just build a thousand foot tall staue of the Incredible Hulk instead?


I have been trying to get to booksamillion to get ringworld, cant wait. But to address your concern of fuel. We wont use fuel, we use magnets. Have you seen the way they are used in coasters and trains? just use them like that only switch them on and off in the proper order to get it spinning, it will take a few minutes but once its going it wouldn't be hard at all to keep it going and we dont even use any fuel. Granted the size of the magnets would be ginormous but its possible. I hate when people rule things out without giving them hardly any thought. Just because you never have seen it happen and it looks impossible dosn't mean it is. I use a line from team america world police that deals with a man eating his own head. Just because you have never seen it dosn't mean it isn't possible.

I guess the world has two kind of people, the ones who think something is impossible and those who ask how can we beat the impossible. But its your opinion and your entitled to it, im not haten lol.

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I do like the statue idea.

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I'd say a project like that would cost about $1,000,000,000,000 ATLEAST. Maybe if you got everyone in the world to donate $100 we would have enough for a project like that.

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Well, mostly what I'm getting at is that even if it were possible, and we started right now, it would not be worth the effort.

"Okay, were have a spinning ring, now what?"

The money could be put to use in a much better way, like ending world hunger or something.

(Oh, and those "magnetic rollercoasters" aren't very effective at using electricity. To change the direction of a current that rapidly for that amount of time, you will need incomprehensible amounts of electricity. It's not turn on and off, trust me. I've taken enough AP physics classes and have done enough experiments to know that.)

Edit: Oh, and I don't think you read about the whole tension thing. Pretend you were pulling on a peice of thread until it snapped. Now, think about that same peice of thread being pulled in both directions by diesel locomotives. You would need a substace strong enough to withstand that. Again, refer to Ringworld.

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  • 04.16.2006 10:38 PM PDT
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The string idea only hit on what i was trying to get at. Im not sure where i saw it but on either discovery or history channel they were talking with nasa and they said something about the centrifugale force would have to be great in order to get strong enough gravity. I just dont see how it would cost so much energy to flick on one magnet, which is all you have to do, b/c you can just turn off power going to other magnets. I guess im just a visionary lol, i know for some reason in my head that a ringworld is possible, sure it would take loads of money that could be used for something else, but so could the money that has ever been put into the space program but we still are pursuing the "Final Frontier" instead of stopping when we hit a wall and say, Nah, thats impossible. But i respect your thoughts about it, maybe using the magnet system wouldn't work, idk, and in all reality there is no way you or anyone else could know for sure. Knowone said we couldn't use a giant generator in space just for switching magnets on and off and getting power from solar wind or the sun for energy.

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Nice idea..but the fact that your acctually serious about it just states you are completed mental

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Maybe i am mental lol, but so were the guys building the pyramids how many years ago? And they didn't even have a way to lift those heavy stones the height that they did, and they cut them so accurately you can barely get your finger in between each one. My theory on the pyramids is that maybe they started at the top, and dug the sand out around them which would make since, but still not answer the way they got the stones to the site. But sometimes you have to be mental and out there to complete things.

  • 04.17.2006 9:40 PM PDT

I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.

You know its good to see that there are such optimist on this site.
* sarcasm*

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yeahhhhh about the Ring, please create 3 for You, 7 for me, 9 for I, and don't forgot the 1 ring, lol

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all the people here and all of bill gates finances wont be able to fund this.

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Posted by: BorealFace
Okay Okay, i know what your saying, that sounds crazy, but if we put our minds to it, we can do it. I am 100% serious and I know this can be achieved. Heres how it ill work: Everyone who wants to volunteer will say so here. When we are ready, we will build a bunch of remote controlled rocket powered robots who will fly to the moon and mine rocks. The rocks will be flown into orbit around the Earth where they will be smelted and assembled into a ring shape approximatly 40 miles in diameter. This is feesible.
The ring will itnitially be hollowed out and people will live in it while the colonists use plants to develop an atmosphere. It will be the perfect utopia and garden of eden. We will make lots of money by charging people to live on it. There will be vacation resorts, casinos, oceans, etc. Best of all, if there ever is a nuclear war or cotastrophe, humans can retreat to the ring.
Here is the science: The ring will be forty miles in diameter and two miles wide, one thousand feet thick. We will program robots to build the ring in space for us (or we can remote control the machines). Suprisingly, the only problem with my plan is how will the Robots be powered? They will be solar powered. Instead of having solar panels on each robot, there will be a gigantic solar panel stationed near the site. When the mining/building robots are low on feul, they will return to the station and charge themselves from a gigantic battery.
We will go down in history, so if you don't volunteer you may regret this for the rest of your life. Join up now, for project ringworld!

P.S> i am making 3D renderings of the robots and Halo and space station in 3ds max, i will post them here when done. We also need a person capable of making a website for our project!


If you can't build it, forge it ;)

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Well, if you just happen to have several trillion dollars lying around go for it.

You don't?

Well, shoot. Thought we almost had it for a second.

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