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Subject: people, lets build our own Halo
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Acually, this is very feasable given recent hypothetical warp drive simulations. Basicly, you turn matter into negative energy and warp space-time. You will theortically warp the space-time so much that you slip into another dimension but remain attached to our current dimension via a miniscule thread of negative energy. You can transport yourself faster then the speed of light to a nearby solar system and carve out a ring world from the planet using magnets combined with anti-matter or pure plasma. The anti-matter/plasma would vaporise the parts of the planet that are useless and what would be left is a ring world. If you attatch a giant electro-magnetic generator around the ringworld and inside of it, then any solar radiation will be turned around so the people living there will be safe. As for atmosphere, just use you warp-drive to create an infinite ammout of mass in a focal point in the middle of the ringworld. It will give you as much gravity as you need. The vaporized parts of the planet can then be converted to atmosphere and hybrid plants can thrive there. The best part is that this won't cost a cent. The entirity of planet earth will combind together to make all of this happen. By the time this technology is avalible, earth will most likely be nearly inhabbitable and so everyone will band together to create a Halo.


I will laugh from the heavens when this comes true and BorealFace + his helpers are engraved in history as earth's greatest heros.

Sign me up, I'll get to work on the warp-drive ASAP.

[Edited on 4/18/2006]

  • 04.18.2006 7:48 PM PDT
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This is theoretically creatable, just not now.

Check back in 1000 years and maybe we'll be getting up there with our dark matter production.

  • 04.18.2006 9:12 PM PDT

"There are fighters and there are targets. There is nothing else."

actually, it is feasible. both physically and financially. think about it: if he had a design for a robot that could launch into space , bring back an asteroid and was automated to mine it, why use all the material on a halo? what you need is to start a corporation, and get enough people interested. Think about how much profit you would make if you could automate the entire mining process and bring refined material back to earth? beyond that, imagine manufacturing in space. think of how easy it would be to create large delicate instruments. think of a flatscreen tv a 1/2 inch thick and 8 x 12 feet? lack of gravity or even microgravity can make it much easier to produce very valuable products. think of how much some old rich guy would pay to have an entire wall thats just one screen? no little annoying lines where one screen meets the next. i do have to argue against solar energy, it just isn't economical. fission would be good, just dump the wast into a little disposable rocket and launch it on a high endurance burn to the sun. it would be better if we had fusion.
I can already see one argument against this: getting stuff down would be expensive. The thing is there is already a design for a space elevator. nasa was all excited about it until they found out it would cost 800 billion or something like that. but that won't be needed until we try to widen the market to include the moderately wealthy as well as the super-rich.
now, back to halo in space. just for arguments sake im gonna argue this but personally i think it would be useless in at least the short term. smaller orbital habitats would be better. think MAC cannon size. but anyway back to halo. its simply a matter of design, do you want it at a full 1 G? half G? It doesn't matter. all you really need to do is increase the scale. you're just thinking too thin. i'd say increase the thickness to a mile or more. A simple titanium sheath for the starting interior, have it curved sharply up at the edges to contain the atmosphere, and apply layer after layer of diamond latticing. thats a lot of diamond. anyway, on to the spinning. it can't be all at once, or it would tear the halo apart. what you want is a slow continual burn. having fission in space it would be fairly simple to space out boosters on teh outside and do a burn fora few months to get it up to 1 G. at this point im hoping our deep space ability has increased far beyond what i detailed earlier, because i intend to go to venus. scoop up load after load of that nice CO2 atmosphere and dump into the nicely spinning halo. now, probably several years later you have a halo with a CO2 atmosphere. what now? its microbe time. while they're doing their work start importing soil. a while later its time for plants and animals. balancing oxygen and CO2 levels would be a -blam!- but i'm sure it'd be possible. now you have a nice big ring where rich people can live. and if you charge them rent, maybe after a few million years you'll have payed off your debt for building a big damn halo. oh, one point i forgot, positioning. someone was worried about this halos gravitational effect on earth, and i just have to say wtf? this halos gonna be a mile thick, do you have any idea how thick the planet is? *shakes head* i'd be more worried about the halo falling down and hitting an ocean. but its a simple solution just position it in one of the lagrange points. look it up if you don't know what it is.
anyway theres no real reason to build a halo, its technically possible, even with our current tech, itd just take way too long. i'm more a fan of many seperate orbital stations.

im so bored, i actually wrote all that ^ ?

  • 04.18.2006 9:52 PM PDT
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The sun doesnt incenerats stuff. it melts it. if you do that then more and more mass will be added to the sun, thus increasing it gravitational pull. soon the pull will be strong, it will, most likely, "absorb" earth and all other planets and finally collapse into a huge black hole.

  • 04.18.2006 9:59 PM PDT
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see thats what im talking about people lol, someone who agrees that it can be done just would take a lot of time. Who said we had to get it done this year! Sure we could have a few orbital stations on the way to the ring muahahaha. Whats wrong with optimists by the way? ---- that goes to the guy who said its good to see we have optimists here.

  • 04.18.2006 10:11 PM PDT
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It isn't very feasible economically or physically.

A) Point? You make a giant orbiting ring near Earth. Great. How about we roll on out to a DIFFERENT galaxy, make this big old ring planet, and live on it there. But if we're going to do that, why make a ring at all? It's much easier simply to make ships, orbitals, or just terraform a planet than go through all this trouble.

B) Getting asteroids from the asteroid belt would be just as unfeasible because of the time it takes to go and get them. Unless you had a TON of robots all leaving at once, all grabbing asteroids, all mining them, all producing something, and then getting it back in tact, it wouldn't make enough difference to matter.

C) Political effects on Earth. Putting a big old ring in space would be a big enough challenge financially, much less politically. That'd just be a pain in the ass.

All in all it's just a big waste. If the Forerunner perfected slip space and super robots and fusion and all, great. They were bored, or at war, or whatever. They made Halos. Humans have too many problems of their own at this point to worry about doing something like that for a LONG time.

  • 04.18.2006 10:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Billygoat456
A) Point? You make a giant orbiting ring near Earth. Great. How about we roll on out to a DIFFERENT galaxy, make this big old ring planet, and live on it there. But if we're going to do that, why make a ring at all? It's much easier simply to make ships, orbitals, or just terraform a planet than go through all this trouble.

That is, More or less, What I said in the very begining of this thread.

  • 04.18.2006 10:39 PM PDT
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Didn't read all five pages to see what had been covered.

  • 04.18.2006 10:44 PM PDT

"There are fighters and there are targets. There is nothing else."

A) didn't say there had to be a reason, just pointing out it could be done.

B) Do you know how big some of those asteroids are? I would be more worried about getting the orbital infrastructure to the point where it can handle all teh material that'll be coming in.

C) never said it was politically possible.

  • 04.19.2006 4:03 PM PDT
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Oh I got it lets make a square primeter floating in space. You get a bunch of space stations latch them together and BINGO! You have the Halo square perimeter floating in earth's orbit! Whats next change Earth's name to Reach???

  • 04.19.2006 4:13 PM PDT
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ok im finishing a few more renderings, then i will send out the website text

  • 04.19.2006 8:08 PM PDT
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i dont remember saying it was going to be okie dokie with all the countries in the world. But it would be something to work to bring country's together.

  • 04.19.2006 8:37 PM PDT
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C was not in response to anyone.

  • 04.19.2006 8:38 PM PDT
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Hey Spartan, im gonna send you the text tomorrow, its almost done, and i have a photo of a city on the surface of the ring i will send too

  • 04.19.2006 9:04 PM PDT

"There are fighters and there are targets. There is nothing else."

Posted by: Billygoat456
C was not in response to anyone.


C was in response to your earlier post.

  • 04.20.2006 10:34 AM PDT
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Well...Ok, you could do that if Bungie's copyright lets you. And if you have as much as money as The U.S. Government and N.A.S.A. combined.

  • 04.20.2006 10:38 AM PDT
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First of all i have to say that i think this is a great idea. If it worked it would go down in history and we could use it as a giant bomb shelter from, as you said nuclear wars e.t.c.
Also i have to tell everyone who is against this idea to stop repeating everyone else. Boreal has explained almost everything and if you dont like the idea then leave the topic alone!
Boreal i would be glad to help. You have put a lot of thought into this and it is very feesible. I would volunteer but i am just a kid so maybe i can help Spartan with the website.

  • 04.20.2006 11:32 AM PDT
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Okay i'd like to help but.... That is so crazy! and it would be alot of money

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  • 04.20.2006 4:33 PM PDT
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*Shoots himself in the head*

  • 04.20.2006 4:39 PM PDT
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"Bury Him"
"He's not dead"
"Oh?" walks over unholstering sidearm, and fires. "Bury him now"

Posted by: BorealFace
Okay Okay, i know what your saying, that sounds crazy, but if we put our minds to it, we can do it. I am 100% serious and I know this can be achieved. Heres how it ill work: Everyone who wants to volunteer will say so here. When we are ready, we will build a bunch of remote controlled rocket powered robots who will fly to the moon and mine rocks. The rocks will be flown into orbit around the Earth where they will be smelted and assembled into a ring shape approximatly 40 miles in diameter. This is feesible.
The ring will itnitially be hollowed out and people will live in it while the colonists use plants to develop an atmosphere. It will be the perfect utopia and garden of eden. We will make lots of money by charging people to live on it. There will be vacation resorts, casinos, oceans, etc. Best of all, if there ever is a nuclear war or cotastrophe, humans can retreat to the ring.
Here is the science: The ring will be forty miles in diameter and two miles wide, one thousand feet thick. We will program robots to build the ring in space for us (or we can remote control the machines). Suprisingly, the only problem with my plan is how will the Robots be powered? They will be solar powered. Instead of having solar panels on each robot, there will be a gigantic solar panel stationed near the site. When the mining/building robots are low on feul, they will return to the station and charge themselves from a gigantic battery.
We will go down in history, so if you don't volunteer you may regret this for the rest of your life. Join up now, for project ringworld!

P.S> i am making 3D renderings of the robots and Halo and space station in 3ds max, i will post them here when done. We also need a person capable of making a website for our project!


*Taps an ODST on the shoulder and points to BorealFace*
Read my sig to finish thought-

  • 04.20.2006 4:52 PM PDT
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u spelt bury wrong, u pnarse

  • 04.21.2006 4:50 AM PDT
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i think that if u can get this all figured out then u can count me in

  • 04.21.2006 5:33 AM PDT
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Okay, I've read all five frikkin pages of this beast of a forum, and I tell you it's completely possible! My bro is into robotics and I'm in the Air Force. Here's what you need to do. Design a few robots, the first a mining robot with a 360 degree propulsion system, mining manipulators, and low g magnetic "legs" to attach to the surface of your project or the surface of the moon. The second robot would be a repair "droid" whose only purpose is to diagnos and repair the other droids. (All droids must have the 360 degree propulsion system and magnetic legs). Then you need to make a few more mission specific droids to assist with other aspects of the project (for example, a refueling droid meant to refuel droids out on the field or in space). You then need to design a station that has enough room to store your droids, fueling and recharge stations, and boosters equipped to the station that would keep it in orbit. The station needs radar and ports/airlocks to dock with ground to space vehicles. Then you need a reuseable transport spacecraft capable of moon to lunar orbit travel and return while carrying several thousand pounds of lunar rocks. It wouldn't be a bad idea to also design a ground to space vehicle that can deliver parts and fuel to the station, although if you made it non-reusable your droids could actually transfer both the cargo and parts used in the construction of the resupply craft as spares, that way you don't have to worry about re-entry. There's another 2 droids you would need, a droid that specializes in cargo movement/unpacking and processing and another that would be mission specific to take the space vehicle apart, although you may be able to use the mining droid for that. Don't forget that is you make several different droids you'll be able to sell more of then than if you made just one all purpose droid. You should also look into some kind of mech suit for pilots to wear that could actually make loaded jumps from the moon to the work site and back.You then need to calculate a legrange point in space where your project may go undisturbed by satellites or other debris. You start by creating a ring skeleton, or frame, the droids could then attach the mined rocks, then the glass exterior, and finally the interior. Don't spin the ring (if you were still going to) until everything is put together and fully operational, that way the zero g droids won't become damaged while working. Next you need to create a "mission control" ground based system to monitor and if necessary intervene with computer actions. You then need to get a team together that can make calculations of that magnitude on station 24/7. ( I would suggest 3 crews fully trained, 2 take 12 hour shifts while the third is off on emergency standby; you could rotate the three shifts to ensure your crew is well rested.) Okay, the next thing you need to do is actually build all of this crap, which is the hard part. I volunteer, and know that's a whole lot to read, but it's a lot of info, and there's a lot more so if you want some help e-mail me. I'll help design/program what I can if you want, but I'll probably not be able to check this forum again because it'll get lost so e-mail me at animefreakjon@hotmail.com I'll start working on designs for the station and droids in case you're interested. (Also, I don't know if you plan on sending a crew up there with the droids to assist in daily operations but it would probably be a good idea, so I'll design two stations, one droid only and the other with accomodations for up to five crew members.)

  • 04.21.2006 7:49 AM PDT
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i'd do that, but by the time im old enough, it might be done, also, are u serious? you know how u said u would get charged to live there, would we get charged if we volouteered

[Edited on 4/21/2006]

  • 04.21.2006 8:03 AM PDT