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  • 10.02.2011 10:43 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

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  • 10.02.2011 11:03 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.


This.
There is no real explanation needed here, as Bungie already gave one with the Limited and Legendary Editions of the game: Reach (the game) is a playable reconstruction of the events that happened on Reach.
Made from images of security cams, helmet cams (see cutscenes), reports, rumours etc etc. Don't forget that in the midst of the Fall of Reach there was utter chaos and massive destruction: communication probably went all wrong, not all data was stored properly or was destroyed etc etc etc. So they pieced together the damaged and incomplete parts that they did have, and filled the rest in with "logic" and stuff to make it feel "right".

Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...

[Edited on 10.02.2011 11:10 AM PDT]

  • 10.02.2011 11:07 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.


This.
There is no real explanation needed here, as Bungie already gave one with the Limited and Legendary Editions of the game: Reach (the game) is a playable reconstruction of the events that happened on Reach.
Made from images of security cams, helmet cams (see cutscenes), reports, rumours etc etc. Don't forget that in the midst of the Fall of Reach there was utter chaos and massive destruction: communication probably went all wrong, not all data was stored properly or was destroyed etc etc etc.

Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...


Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.

  • 10.02.2011 11:10 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


They did visit the Visegrad Relay, Halsey at CASTLE, and then they did pick up Halsey. Everything else can be gleamed from the camera footage and such.

  • 10.02.2011 11:14 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.


This.
There is no real explanation needed here, as Bungie already gave one with the Limited and Legendary Editions of the game: Reach (the game) is a playable reconstruction of the events that happened on Reach.
Made from images of security cams, helmet cams (see cutscenes), reports, rumours etc etc. Don't forget that in the midst of the Fall of Reach there was utter chaos and massive destruction: communication probably went all wrong, not all data was stored properly or was destroyed etc etc etc.

Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...


Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


Propaganda as in:
- Fleet wasn't that big (opposed the the truth: HUGE attacking Fleet)
- Spartans fighting a noble war, sacrifising everything for Humanity
- Fighting the battle for 3 weeks fairly well before losing (while in fact they lost within days and 3 weeks later when Chief shows up again, there are just a few soldiers left)
- Making it look as if Noble's actions made us win the war in the end.

etc etc.

True: it is not the "we are unbeatable, everything is good" propaganda you might think of. But it shows a whole lot more positive take on the battle, than the one which is more accurate (the books)

  • 10.02.2011 11:18 AM PDT

Walk softly, and carry a big midget.

Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.

  • 10.02.2011 11:21 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.


This.
There is no real explanation needed here, as Bungie already gave one with the Limited and Legendary Editions of the game: Reach (the game) is a playable reconstruction of the events that happened on Reach.
Made from images of security cams, helmet cams (see cutscenes), reports, rumours etc etc. Don't forget that in the midst of the Fall of Reach there was utter chaos and massive destruction: communication probably went all wrong, not all data was stored properly or was destroyed etc etc etc.

Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...


Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


Propaganda as in:
- Fleet wasn't that big (opposed the the truth: HUGE attacking Fleet)
- Spartans fighting a noble war, sacrifising everything for Humanity
- Fighting the battle for 3 weeks fairly well before losing (while in fact they lost within days and 3 weeks later when Chief shows up again, there are just a few soldiers left)
- Making it look as if Noble's actions made us win the war in the end.

etc etc.

True: it is not the "we are unbeatable, everything is good" propaganda you might think of. But it shows a whole lot more positive take on the battle, than the one which is more accurate (the books)
So ONI wants to tell people that

A) Spartans can die.

B) They knew Covenant knew Reach's location weeks before it fell, and didn't start evacuating.

C.1) Top secert Sabre project indeed exists.

C.2) Forerunners exist(ed).

That propaganda theory is BS IMO.

  • 10.02.2011 11:26 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Gamer Whale
So ONI wants to tell people that

A) Spartans can die.

B) They knew Covenant knew Reach's location weeks before it fell, and didn't start evacuating.

C.1) Top secert Sabre project indeed exists.

C.2) Forerunners exist(ed).

That propaganda theory is BS IMO.


Yeah, I don't really think it's propaganda, it's more like ONI trying to piece together what happened. However, you seem to have some issues regarding the Forerunner issue. After the war, humanity at large knew about the Forerunners. That was something ONI couldn't suppress.

  • 10.02.2011 11:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.


This.
There is no real explanation needed here, as Bungie already gave one with the Limited and Legendary Editions of the game: Reach (the game) is a playable reconstruction of the events that happened on Reach.
Made from images of security cams, helmet cams (see cutscenes), reports, rumours etc etc. Don't forget that in the midst of the Fall of Reach there was utter chaos and massive destruction: communication probably went all wrong, not all data was stored properly or was destroyed etc etc etc.

Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...


Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


Propaganda as in:
- Fleet wasn't that big (opposed the the truth: HUGE attacking Fleet)
- Spartans fighting a noble war, sacrifising everything for Humanity
- Fighting the battle for 3 weeks fairly well before losing (while in fact they lost within days and 3 weeks later when Chief shows up again, there are just a few soldiers left)
- Making it look as if Noble's actions made us win the war in the end.

etc etc.

True: it is not the "we are unbeatable, everything is good" propaganda you might think of. But it shows a whole lot more positive take on the battle, than the one which is more accurate (the books)So ONI wants to tell people that

A) Spartans can die.

B) They knew Covenant knew Reach's location weeks before it fell, and didn't start evacuating.

C.1) Top secert Sabre project indeed exists.

C.2) Forerunners exist(ed).

That propaganda theory is BS IMO.


Ehm...

1: Its dated 2553....after the War. That means people know Spartans can die (they assume Chief is dead for instance) and ONI most likely had to come out with the full story about the S2 program. Same goes for the Sabre program, which probably doesn't even exist anymore because it was destroyed at Reach.
Same goes for Forerunners: hard to keep that secret when the Ark and its Portal are so obvious...

Besides: we never saw any evac from Reach prior to the invasion of New Alexandria. But that doesn't mean evac just started at that moment...

But I'm fine with people not wanting to call it propaganda. Way to go making a whole fuss about that term. You just can't ignore this which shows that Reach (the game) was at least an internal ONI attempt to reconstruct what happened on Reach...

So ok, lets agree on it not being propaganda. But ignoring the fact that its a reconstruction and therefore is bound to be inconsistent with the actual events is just ignorant.

  • 10.02.2011 11:35 AM PDT

i want to know about red team and the spirit of fire and the spartan blue team traped on onyx with doctor halsey

  • 10.02.2011 11:47 AM PDT

I want to know why MCs armor changed during cryo.

  • 10.02.2011 11:55 AM PDT

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

Wait what??

Halo: Reach was just a representation of how ONI belives Noble Team fought and delivered the package to the Pillar of Autumn??

I'm confused. :(

  • 10.02.2011 11:58 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: DonVinzone1
Ehm...

1: Its dated 2553....after the War. That means people know Spartans can die (they assume Chief is dead for instance) and ONI most likely had to come out with the full story about the S2 program. Same goes for the Sabre program, which probably doesn't even exist anymore because it was destroyed at Reach.
Same goes for Forerunners: hard to keep that secret when the Ark and its Portal are so obvious...

Besides: we never saw any evac from Reach prior to the invasion of New Alexandria. But that doesn't mean evac just started at that moment...

But I'm fine with people not wanting to call it propaganda. Way to go making a whole fuss about that term. You just can't ignore this which shows that Reach (the game) was at least an internal ONI attempt to reconstruct what happened on Reach...

So ok, lets agree on it not being propaganda. But ignoring the fact that its a reconstruction and therefore is bound to be inconsistent with the actual events is just ignorant.
Yeah, I realised that FR point was kinda stupid. But I think sabres still exist, 'cause wasn't it said that there were multiple launch sites across inner colonies? And about that reconstruction part, that doesn't remove the month-long battle which people complain about. (I'm fine with it though...)

  • 10.02.2011 12:03 PM PDT

Didact's Reprisal -
Now is the time of our unworlding
One final effort is all that remains
And I am not afraid
We shall fulfill our promise
We fight for the grace of the Mantle
And this time none of you will be left behind

Well, that got off topic quick enough. I totally didn't see that coming.

I'd like 343 to explain nothing right now, though I'm sure I'll be demanding many answers once game one of their trilogy is released.

  • 10.02.2011 12:11 PM PDT

The size of Truth's fleet that invaded Earth.
The list of Colonies that survived.
Jun.

  • 10.02.2011 12:20 PM PDT

If you hop, you'll only die in the air.

far too deep for me. A propaganda game with in a fictional universe released to puplic for real money. creative to say the least. That explains why ONI is so important in the game. I wonder what the "bible" has to say about all this?

  • 10.02.2011 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Every piece of information regarding Noble Team.

Original team members, replacements, operations, augmentations, each members backround profile. EVERYTHING.

  • 10.02.2011 1:44 PM PDT
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"Die? Didn't you know? Spartans never die."

Mind. BLOWN. We gotta keep this thread alive.

  • 10.02.2011 2:36 PM PDT


Posted by: DonVinzone1
Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...


I agree with pretty much everything you said up to this point. Bungie left plenty of wiggle room with information in Reach by having it be something produced from within Halo's universe, but we shouldn't just that it's all wrong, or most of it's wrong just because it's supposed to be a reconstruction of Noble's actions during the Battle of Reach.

Both the game and book are right (until new information says so otherwise). The book is not the "true" source or whatever you want to call it, it is merely another aspect dealing with another section and area of the battle. The events of TFoR only deal with the closing events of the battle on the 30th while Reach offers a more broad and panoramic view (though still limited) view of the battle through the eyes of Noble Six.

And Reach definitely isn't meant to be propaganda. For one thing it's not something being revealed to the public, it's merely an exchange between two ONI operatives, both of whom would know the truth about the battle from a big picture standpoint (IE, they would both know how long it lasted, a general idea of casualties, and the like). Stretching the truth or outright lying about the timeframe and such in private exchanges meant only for the sender and recipient of the exchanges would be rather silly. The Covenant were on Reach from July 24th-August 30th with the battle only really starting on August 12th. There were two Covenant fleets that attacked Reach, there was the one that warped in on the 14th of August just after the LNoS was destroyed, and the Fleet of Particular Justice, which arrived on August 30th just like in TFoR.

  • 10.02.2011 6:24 PM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.


Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.


Halo: Reach was made by ONI.



This.
There is no real explanation needed here, as Bungie already gave one with the Limited and Legendary Editions of the game: Reach (the game) is a playable reconstruction of the events that happened on Reach.
Made from images of security cams, helmet cams (see cutscenes), reports, rumours etc etc. Don't forget that in the midst of the Fall of Reach there was utter chaos and massive destruction: communication probably went all wrong, not all data was stored properly or was destroyed etc etc etc. So they pieced together the damaged and incomplete parts that they did have, and filled the rest in with "logic" and stuff to make it feel "right".

Add to that: ONI did intend Reach (the game) to be propaganda somewhat. This is why everything seems less desperate and failed as it actually was in the books (which are the actual account of things, but don't forget FoR doesn't even feature the battle in much detail!), and why they probably lasted 3 weeks etc.

Lastly: the inaccuracies regarding the PoA being on Reach is just to fit the games together a lot better for those who don't read the books and could care less about canon being messed up at that point....you know, probably 75% of those who played the game...

Wow, I wish I would have known this from day one, it actually would have made Reach allot more enjoyable for me.

[Edited on 10.02.2011 7:04 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2011 7:01 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: daves got H1N1


To be fair, you really would've needed the Legendary Edition to figure it out.

[Edited on 10.02.2011 7:02 PM PDT]

  • 10.02.2011 7:02 PM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: daves got H1N1


To be fair, you really would've needed the Legendary Edition to figure it out.

I was going to get it to, but I got the Reach console instead because it was time to upgrade. Damn this would have been so cool to find out to.

  • 10.02.2011 7:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I think it's a neat idea really, presents the story to people not really into the books and presents a nifty conspiracy for us canon-nuts.

  • 10.02.2011 7:07 PM PDT

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