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Subject: What canon would you like 343i to explain?

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A final say on how many Spartan IIs there are (that can fight).

  • 10.02.2011 8:58 PM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


They did visit the Visegrad Relay, Halsey at CASTLE, and then they did pick up Halsey. Everything else can be gleamed from the camera footage and such.


So the game is ONI's take on what happened?

  • 10.02.2011 9:08 PM PDT

And Shepherds we shall be
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from Thy hand
Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands.
So we shall flow a river forth to Thee
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti.

Forerunners and forerunner technology, go

  • 10.02.2011 9:19 PM PDT

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

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Speaking of chuckles, let's all lol at IonicPaul, who makes friends with bugs to make up for his lack of human contact.

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


They did visit the Visegrad Relay, Halsey at CASTLE, and then they did pick up Halsey. Everything else can be gleamed from the camera footage and such.


So the game is ONI's take on what happened?

That, I believe, is the idea. It settles what little frustration was in my mind over the canon inconsistencies with the story.

Other than the PoA being on Reach. That's still confusing.

  • 10.02.2011 9:25 PM PDT

Nothing. 343 has messed with canon way more than Reach ever did.

  • 10.02.2011 9:49 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

I really am curious as to happens to the Spartans in Onyx and Grey Team. The canon is fine, I just want to know what happens to them.

  • 10.02.2011 10:27 PM PDT

The tide is turning, brothers! Let us take our kingdom back!

A detailed and thorough explanation of everything from the Prophet Civil War up until the Brutes joined the Covenant.

And by detailed and thorough, I mean detailed and thorough.

  • 10.02.2011 11:03 PM PDT


Posted by: IonicPaul
Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


They did visit the Visegrad Relay, Halsey at CASTLE, and then they did pick up Halsey. Everything else can be gleamed from the camera footage and such.


So the game is ONI's take on what happened?

That, I believe, is the idea. It settles what little frustration was in my mind over the canon inconsistencies with the story.

Other than the PoA being on Reach. That's still confusing.


Thats the case, yes. A flawed reconstruction based upon broken intel they recovered on Reach.

PoA being on Earth: Like I said before, serves two goals:
1: To tie the games together for those who didn't read the books....which are the majority I'm afraid.
2: To make it seem as if Noble Team sacrificed everything so that Humanity in the end would win (by delivering Cortana, and making sure the PoA isn't destroyed by the Covies and carries Chief away to fight another day)

  • 10.03.2011 6:01 AM PDT


Posted by: ninjajack12
i want to know about red team and the spirit of fire and the spartan blue team traped on onyx with doctor halsey


You don't keep up with the times do you?

Karen Traviss' trilogy includes all of them. It explains what has happened in the galaxy during the time MC was drifting, so it could very well imply that those characters will have a role in Halo 4-6 (343 has flat out told us that everything that happens in novels and what not will be a direct influence on all future games). Unlike bungie, who made sure the novels had as little influence over the world seen in games as possible, 343 is bringing it all together.

[Edited on 10.03.2011 8:06 AM PDT]

  • 10.03.2011 8:04 AM PDT


Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Huh?

So what the Noble Team did all time on Reach.

Lol if this is a proganda then ONI officially trolled us all like they are good at.


They did visit the Visegrad Relay, Halsey at CASTLE, and then they did pick up Halsey. Everything else can be gleamed from the camera footage and such.


So the game is ONI's take on what happened?


I guess you could say that, it's what ONI has managed to piece together about Noble Team from whatever records and video footage and whatnot that they were able to recover from Reach. It's actual history, meaning all the events more or less happened as in the game, but because it's depicted as history written from an in universe perspective it can be considered subject to human error (aka Bungie giving 343i plenty of wiggle room to retcon, tweak, or change whatever they want to about Reach). However just because it's from an in universe perspective does not mean that it's all inaccurate and we can't take it as canon. Until something contradicts it or changes something all of Halo: Reach is just as much canon as any other Halo work.

  • 10.03.2011 8:55 AM PDT

I don't consider Halo: Reach canon.

Because 343i is not interested in clarifying all of the plot holes, why should the fans suffer, or even worse, fix it themselves?

"Halo: The Fall of Reach" and "Halo: First Strike" both fit perfectly with the Halo trilogy, Halo: Reach does not. So seriously, it isn't that hard to ignore this single story. It isn't even a good story to begin with.

Either that, or ONI propaganda. The novel AND the game can't co-exist.

[Edited on 10.03.2011 1:59 PM PDT]

  • 10.03.2011 1:58 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Juan Teran
why should the fans suffer, or even worse, fix it themselves?


Why are you including me and other fans who did enjoy Reach in your tirade?

  • 10.03.2011 2:20 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Everything...

  • 10.03.2011 2:22 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Juan Teran
why should the fans suffer, or even worse, fix it themselves?


Why are you including me and other fans who did enjoy Reach in your tirade?

'Cause you guys are lying to yourselves.

[Edited on 10.03.2011 2:24 PM PDT]

  • 10.03.2011 2:23 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Juan Teran
'Cause you guys are lying to yourselves.

I'm lying to myself that I enjoyed a game I liked? Lieception!

  • 10.03.2011 2:24 PM PDT

Alright, there may be a few exceptions, and certain individuals MAY like Halo: Reach campaign (which goes beyond me, as I couldn't find any single positive aspect in the whole campaign).

But it's still unfair that those who actually liked the Halo Universe created by the novels were literally ignored, in order to create a new story for new fans to appreciate.

There are very few creative individuals, like Leviathan, who create awesome stories, but in the end, it's just a fanfic, it's not really part of the canon. No matter how many theories you guys make, it all ends being a theory which can be immediately contradicted, while the books did have clear facts about the story and, before Reach, fitted perfectly in the canon.

There's no possible way the books and this game can co-exist, which is sad, because I liked this story, and how they managed to create a feeling of destruction, struggle for the survival of humanity, desperation, etc. People seem to think that it makes no sense that Reach fell in one day, and that's one of the main reason they love this game, they can't see beyond the battle, what Reach falling in one day really meant. They are really close minded.

  • 10.03.2011 2:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran
Either that, or ONI propaganda. The novel AND the game can't co-exist.


Funny, cause haven't there been plenty of in-universe connections made that make it possible?

  • 10.03.2011 2:36 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Juan Teran
Alright, there may be a few exceptions, and certain individuals MAY like Halo: Reach campaign (which goes beyond me, as I couldn't find any single positive aspect in the whole campaign).


Sounds like a personal problem. Trying to say the game must suck and those who like it as lying to themselves makes you look like a complete dick. Which is ironic coming from me.

But it's still unfair that those who actually liked the Halo Universe created by the novels were literally ignored, in order to create a new story for new fans to appreciate.

I think that's why Bungie didn't outright say this was the end-all interpretation of the events. The events in the books still exist, but the game itself is structured like someone's interpretation. Both sides can have their poison.

There are very few creative individuals, like Leviathan, who create awesome stories, but in the end, it's just a fanfic, it's not really part of the canon. No matter how many theories you guys make, it all ends being a theory which can be immediately contradicted, while the books did have clear facts about the story and, before Reach, fitted perfectly in the canon.

There's no possible way the books and this game can co-exist, which is sad, because I liked this story, and how they managed to create a feeling of destruction, struggle for the survival of humanity, desperation, etc. People seem to think that it makes no sense that Reach fell in one day, and that's one of the main reason they love this game, they can't see beyond the battle, what Reach falling in one day really meant. They are really close minded.


Nihilus Shadow made a pretty good timeline in the Waypoint Forums.

You could've just said all of what you said in this post, but no, you had to be a colossal jerk.

  • 10.03.2011 2:36 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

How in the Hell do you get that glowing lump of Needler ammo into the Needler and turn it into needles?

THIS HAS BEEN UNEXPLAINED SINCE CE AND I WANT SOME ANSWERS

  • 10.03.2011 2:39 PM PDT
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How the heck a billion ton warship can land on a planet without being obliterated.

  • 10.03.2011 2:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jayster 94
Posted by: fxnavarro
-Clarifying the Fall of Reach and its inconsistencies with the book and game.

  • 10.03.2011 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Onyx81
How the heck a billion ton warship can land on a planet without being obliterated.
What are you referring to?

  • 10.04.2011 2:34 AM PDT


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Posted by: Onyx81
How the heck a billion ton warship can land on a planet without being obliterated.
What are you referring to?


Probably to PoA landing on both Reach and Halo.
Anyways: canon in the books states its not impossible for UNSC ships to enter atmosphere, but landing one on a planet is never mentioned as far as I recall.
But those ships being able to get in atmosphere means gravity isn't a factor that would tear such ships apart.

  • 10.04.2011 2:37 AM PDT

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