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Subject: Tartarus vs. Ripa Moramee

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Posted by: Alfdog
Listen I just believe that reducing the hieght and other things of a main chracter in a story due to external factors (multiplayer) is just plain silly. Call me stupid but when I talk about Elites I always consider them 8'6" when they weren't effected by online gameplay.

I have every canon source since the Halo Combat Evolved game manual backing me up whilst you only have that game manual, which is horribly outdated. (It states that the war began in 2520 and that Master Chief is the last Spartan-II) Regardless of whether it was done for multiplayer or for story purposes, it is done and continues to be done. (Also where is the confirmation that it was done for multiplayer? Find that quote!) And you may consider them to have a pair of wings and shoot lasers from their eyes in your personalized canon in addition to them being 8'6 for all I care, but there is a standard in the real Haloverse and that is not it. Discussions like these are built off of that set standard. If it was "Who would win in Alfdog's Haloverse: Tartarus Vs Ripa" then yeah.

Posted by: Alfdog
And for that whole Brute is faster cos book said so, would you agree that Elites are over 3 metres in hieght? Cos that's what's in the Reach and Onyx.

No because that is only 2 Elites whose heights are never seen again and are contradicted by the statistics we are given for all Sangheili heights. They are anomalies. (And Nylund implys that 3m is not Xytan's true height) Meanwhile there is nothing that says that Elites/Spartans are faster than Brutes, but a few things that suggest the contrary like their 2G Homeworld or the fact that they can still match a Spartan or Elite whilst wearing 500Kg armour, as well as the instance in First Strike.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And the Halo CE manual was one of the first bits released. Go to waypoint, go to the elite page. Does it state "Elite average height, 8'6"."? Nope. It says "Elite height: 7'4" to 8'6".

Compared to the brute's average height of 9'2"
The Halo encyclopedia they released states that Brutes height is 8'6 while the Elites are 7'5.You can't trust supposedly Canon sources.Thats why I go off the CE manual ,cause heights fluctuate way to much.

[Edited on 10.06.2011 3:28 PM PDT]

  • 10.06.2011 3:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Alfdog

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Alfdog
That 8"1' buisness is rubbish. I know it was on that card that came with the game but Elites are 8'6" on average. So how does that work? That would but Ripa at about 9"3'. Tartrus would still be stronger but NOT by a large strech. Ripa would be quicker and and just as aggresive so in a fist fight I reckon Ripa would win.

Ripa: comes from a planet with 1.3g gravity
Tartarus: Comes from a planet with 2g gravity.

Guess who has strength, speed, and endurance bonus here? The brute.

DeaFaron, don't expect logic to penetrate these two. They still believe all Elites are the stupid height of nearly 9' when every.single.source. states otherwise and has done so for 10 years now.


Listen I just believe that reducing the hieght and other things of a main chracter in a story due to external factors (multiplayer) is just plain silly. Call me stupid but when I talk about Elites I always consider them 8'6" when they weren't effected by online gameplay. And for that whole Brute is faster cos book said so, would you agree that Elites are over 3 metres in hieght? Cos that's what's in the Reach and Onyx.


I'm going off the beastiarum. Which came out with Halo 3.

It states the height range of Elites, and 8'6" is the top end of the line. 7'4" to 8'6" does not equal all elites being 8'6"

And the book never said "All elites are 3 meters tall."

You fail to provide evidence that Elites were purposefully made shorter simply because of MP.


In reach the book it states a ranger as being a meter tall at that space station and the leader of the Elites in Onyx as being over 11ft. And about multiplayer. I think it's safe to say that from going from 8'6" to 7'4" between one game when they feature in multiplayer is a fair assumption. Why else would they change it if not for multiplayer?

  • 10.06.2011 3:27 PM PDT

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/theuniverse/characters/text/ jiralhanae/ce56bf82-2f72-4594-8e33-299cc0116a06?filter=articl e

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/theuniverse/characters/text/ sangheili/215feec6-8bc4-4832-8774-9f48ec515f56?filter=article

Elites: 2.2 meters = 7.2 feet.

brutes: 2.8 meters = 9.2 feet.

edit: Alfdog... The one elite is either exaggerated or a one-time weirdo who dies.

The Imperial admiral is hinted to his height being affected by his massive helm/headdress and his boots are taller them normal, thus giving him greater height.

[Edited on 10.06.2011 3:33 PM PDT]

  • 10.06.2011 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/theuniverse/characters/text/ jiralhanae/ce56bf82-2f72-4594-8e33-299cc0116a06?filter=articl e

http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/theuniverse/characters/text/ sangheili/215feec6-8bc4-4832-8774-9f48ec515f56?filter=article

Elites: 2.2 meters = 7.2 feet.

brutes: 2.8 meters = 9.2 feet.

edit: Alfdog... The one elite is either exaggerated or a one-time weirdo who dies.

The Imperial admiral is hinted to his height being affected by his massive helm/headdress and his boots are taller them normal, thus giving him greater height.


exaggerated like the speed of the Brute so it's intro into the story would be better? And for that 11ft monster imagine an Elite with a 3-4ft helmet, sounds silly don't it. Nylund knew he mucked up and stringed together some excuse for it. What I'm trying to say is the books aren't always the best source, as storyline comes before anything else. And for that 7'2" to 9'2". That means that there should be this excate height difference between the two. Even in Halo 2 you don't see this (check out the cutscene where the guard is swaping. It's like the Elites are back at 8'6"!). And about tthe weight of the Elites: that same boxer (Nikolai Valuev) is 146kg. So why are Elites as heavy as a man when they're muscles are far more denser than his? 343i should just do another haul over the Elites if they're gonna bring them back.

  • 10.06.2011 5:26 PM PDT

well, from an achievement standpoint, tartarus wins simply because he killed hundreds of thousands of evacuees on Harvest by destroying the tether that their escape cargo pods were going up with the use of only a spirit dropship.

While Ripa was a warrior of the disciplined Sangheili he WAS very impatient, and sacrificed discipline when his temper went off.

I say Tartarus hands down. He was a brute worthy enough to represent the ENTIRE populous of brutes within the covenant. The title of Arbiter is given to one as a disgrace, unlike the title of Chieftain of the Brutes.

From a combat stand point, I still say tartarus. His hammer alone can destroy an Elite in one hit. He fought off countless elites before he was finally out numbered. Plus he has his shield system to back him up.

Tartarus is the winner.

  • 10.06.2011 6:05 PM PDT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJxY1-oqDA

Skip to about 3:00. 'Nuff said.

  • 10.06.2011 6:31 PM PDT


Posted by: hadlermaster

Posted by: anton1792
Tartarus has been described by Truth as being able to rip to shreds a fully sized Hunter.

Holy -blam!-.


This. Master Chief, nor Ripa wouldn't last.

Johnson alone proves this.

  • 10.06.2011 6:37 PM PDT


Posted by: UndecidedTarget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJxY1-oqDA

Skip to about 3:00. 'Nuff said.


Elite moved and struck nothing like Ripa does, and notice how even impaled on an energy sword the brute is still fighting?

  • 10.06.2011 6:38 PM PDT

Isaiah. M

"Man is lucky to be ignorant, for if he new the truth it would either destroy him or drive him mad."

So what your saying is that an average brute is a whole 2'1/2 (more or less I hate math) feet taller than the shortest average elite?

Im sorry but I fail to beleive that statement, first of all, IF the average brute was 9'2 like you stated than the average elite must be near 8'11 to 9'0 tall. Now let me show some evidence:

1. the cutscene when Thel vadamee, was taken to the prophets to become the arbiter, it clearly shows that Thel was much closeer in height when in comparison to the between the average brute, was he being dragged and unable to extend to his full height? YES. Now in the HALO encyclopedia, it states that Ripa WAS taller than thel, who lets not forget was very close in height to an average brute, now was he taller than Tartarus? NO but tall none the less.

2. Another piece of evidence that not only thel but ALL the elites are closer in height to the brutes is that, most elites are the same or shorter in hieght compared to Thel, Ripa was an abnormally sized elite who measured a whole head and a half over the average elite (much like Tartarus to an average brute)

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um... Bigtime... Sorry to say but your facts are wrong.

Brute average height: 9'2" (2.8 meters)
Elite height: 7'4" to 8'6" (2.2 meters)

The brutes are not only taller, but larger and more muscled as well. Coming from a planet with a decently higher gravity (2g), they'd be faster, and stronger. Not to mention endurance that goes along with both details.

Not only that, your battle removes Ripa's main weakness. His arrogance. He fights to cause pain, not to kill. He takes every chance he can to insult his opponent, or stroke his ego. He underestimated his opponents as well.

  • 10.06.2011 7:03 PM PDT

I am not saying that, 343, Bungie, and waypoint is saying that.

  • 10.06.2011 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I am not saying that, 343, Bungie, and waypoint is saying that.


This^^^

I don't understand why people refuse to accept the official statements of the people who were/are/will be the source of the series.

  • 10.06.2011 7:25 PM PDT


Posted by: rst7503

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I am not saying that, 343, Bungie, and waypoint is saying that.


This^^^

I don't understand why people refuse to accept the official statements of the people who were/are/will be the source of the series.


And taking gameplay/ingame things as hard facts...

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If it doesn't fit anywhere else, it goes here.

How could anyone vote against Tartar sauce? As a 11 year old facing him, i never had been more frightened in my life at media when on Legendary, he's charging me full speed.

  • 10.06.2011 7:43 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Tartarsauce is epic sauce.

  • 10.06.2011 8:56 PM PDT
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How the hell is Tart losing the poll.

  • 10.06.2011 8:58 PM PDT


Posted by: xSLRx BIGTIME
So what your saying is that an average brute is a whole 2'1/2 (more or less I hate math) feet taller than the shortest average elite?

Im sorry but I fail to beleive that statement, first of all, IF the average brute was 9'2 like you stated than the average elite must be near 8'11 to 9'0 tall. Now let me show some evidence:

1. the cutscene when Thel vadamee, was taken to the prophets to become the arbiter, it clearly shows that Thel was much closeer in height when in comparison to the between the average brute, was he being dragged and unable to extend to his full height? YES. Now in the HALO encyclopedia, it states that Ripa WAS taller than thel, who lets not forget was very close in height to an average brute, now was he taller than Tartarus? NO but tall none the less.

2. Another piece of evidence that not only thel but ALL the elites are closer in height to the brutes is that, most elites are the same or shorter in hieght compared to Thel, Ripa was an abnormally sized elite who measured a whole head and a half over the average elite (much like Tartarus to an average brute)

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Um... Bigtime... Sorry to say but your facts are wrong.

Brute average height: 9'2" (2.8 meters)
Elite height: 7'4" to 8'6" (2.2 meters)

The brutes are not only taller, but larger and more muscled as well. Coming from a planet with a decently higher gravity (2g), they'd be faster, and stronger. Not to mention endurance that goes along with both details.

Not only that, your battle removes Ripa's main weakness. His arrogance. He fights to cause pain, not to kill. He takes every chance he can to insult his opponent, or stroke his ego. He underestimated his opponents as well.


Also to add to that, check out the scene where the Honor Guard are changing. Them Elites look like they're 8'6" when standing next to the Brutes. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZpsRJt9cBg

  • 10.07.2011 6:16 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: hadlermaster

Posted by: anton1792
Tartarus has been described by Truth as being able to rip to shreds a fully sized Hunter.

Holy -blam!-.


This. Master Chief, nor Ripa wouldn't last.

Johnson alone proves this.


Well a spartan killed two of them in hand to hand in Onyx.

  • 10.07.2011 6:35 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: UndecidedTarget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJxY1-oqDA

Skip to about 3:00. 'Nuff said.

Did you just try to use basic concept animations from the very earliest developmental stages of Halo 3 as hard evidence?

And why in the Hell has this thread turned into a height argument? It doesn't make one shred of difference. Brutes are taller and larger, does it really matter by how much?

Besides, this isn't about Elites and Brutes, it's about Tartarus and Ripa, who already have exact measurements. So what is the need to argue heights between species?

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Ripa when he isn't ticked off?

Tartaurus.


Ripa when he IS ticked off?

Tartaurus






















Is screwed.

  • 10.07.2011 7:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
Ripa when he isn't ticked off?

Tartaurus.


Ripa when he IS ticked off?

Tartaurus






















Is screwed.
Ripa pissed off or not is no match for Tart.
Tart's god shield and hammer would wreck Ripa, Even without the god shield,Tart's hammer still decides the outcome,far more range than Ripa's swords.Hand to hand Tart is bigger, stronger, and uglier than Ripa. Tart wins hands down, no competition.

  • 10.07.2011 7:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Depends on the difficulty. If it's on Legendary then Tartarus will take hours to die.

  • 10.07.2011 7:22 AM PDT

It's not Hip-Hop, its Electro.... prick.

Tartarus all the way! After all, he had one sweet gravity hammer...

  • 10.07.2011 8:16 AM PDT


Posted by: Alfdog

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: hadlermaster

Posted by: anton1792
Tartarus has been described by Truth as being able to rip to shreds a fully sized Hunter.

Holy -blam!-.


This. Master Chief, nor Ripa wouldn't last.

Johnson alone proves this.


Well a spartan killed two of them in hand to hand in Onyx.


Bull-blam!-. There is only one case of a Spartan killing a brute in hand to hand combat in the books. That is first strike.

IIRC, in Ghosts of Onyx, Kurt kills the brutes with a brute shot grenade launcher, and doesn't engage in hand to hand or melee.

  • 10.07.2011 8:18 AM PDT