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Rofl, I didn't see this last night.

As far as I know, if you can S-cancel, you can fly free as a bird.

I'll do some research on the Tart biped thing, that's a great question.

@ Noobkiller - What did you find out 5 years ago?

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  • 10.09.2011 11:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Grumpy1
Rofl, I didn't see this last night.

As far as I know, if you can S-cancel, you can fly free as a bird.

I'll do some research on the Tart biped thing, that's a great question.

@ Noobkiller - What did you find out 5 years ago?
That's great!

I'm sorry if my modding knowledge disrupts potential exploration.

Posted by: Noobkilla73
I found this out too.





5 years ago.
So you can at least do Oracle SLASO to the point of the Heretics vs. Flood room?

I got Armory and Ghost yesterday and I'll be applying the effects soon.

  • 10.09.2011 3:30 PM PDT


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Posted by: Grumpy1
Rofl, I didn't see this last night.

As far as I know, if you can S-cancel, you can fly free as a bird.

I'll do some research on the Tart biped thing, that's a great question.


I'm sorry if my modding knowledge disrupts potential exploration.
What do you mean by that? You have never used modding to finish a trick. I don't consider getting skulls through modding as cheating and you've always stated when you use modding. I don't think you have ever disrupted any type of exploration, like other modders I've run into.

There's a way to abuse modding and I can't think of a situation where you have abused it so I'm at a loss here.



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Posted by: Grumpy1

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Posted by: Grumpy1
Rofl, I didn't see this last night.

As far as I know, if you can S-cancel, you can fly free as a bird.

I'll do some research on the Tart biped thing, that's a great question.


I'm sorry if my modding knowledge disrupts potential exploration.
What do you mean by that? You have never used modding to finish a trick. I don't consider getting skulls through modding as cheating and you've always stated when you use modding. I don't think you have ever disrupted any type of exploration, like other modders I've run into.

There's a way to abuse modding and I can't think of a situation where you have abused it so I'm at a loss here.

So it's ok to use them to get to the skulls? Yesterday I had hell going through Uprising and Metropolis for their skulls, levels which I usually do well on (on the latter level, I can't do that Warthog tight fit drive without getting sniped or crashing into one of the cars). Other modders?

Well thanks!

  • 10.09.2011 7:19 PM PDT


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Posted by: Grumpy1

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Posted by: Grumpy1
Rofl, I didn't see this last night.

As far as I know, if you can S-cancel, you can fly free as a bird.

I'll do some research on the Tart biped thing, that's a great question.


I'm sorry if my modding knowledge disrupts potential exploration.
What do you mean by that? You have never used modding to finish a trick. I don't consider getting skulls through modding as cheating and you've always stated when you use modding. I don't think you have ever disrupted any type of exploration, like other modders I've run into.

There's a way to abuse modding and I can't think of a situation where you have abused it so I'm at a loss here.

So it's ok to use them to get to the skulls? Yesterday I had hell going through Uprising and Metropolis for their skulls, levels which I usually do well on (on the latter level, I can't do that Warthog tight fit drive without getting sniped or crashing into one of the cars). Other modders?

Well thanks!
From time to time modders have come into HIH and now jumpers. They make a vid and say they want to be praised and then we catch them on it. I cannot stand those people. Another type is the guy who thinks he is helping us by divulging secrets, such as killzones, or telling us what is out in the map that they think we don't know about. Those types I try my best to discourage because both of the types I mentioned are anti-exploration. However, if you state that you have used software like that it is up to you. You have never tried to pass off as though you are not using mods. We just don't want to be told by modders what we can and can't do, we'll find out ourselves. It's a brotherhood thing.

The philosophy of most trickers is that it is the journey that counts, not the ending. Mods will get you to the ending without a journey and that is no fun at all.

Simply getting skulls is in no way a hindrance to guys that don't mod. If I could have a menu of skulls I would. The only time I would not use a menu is doing a SLASO run and any gameplay where the getting of the skulls has to be filmed. It is not fair to the other trickers when that is done.

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Posted by: Grumpy1

From time to time modders have come into HIH and now jumpers. They make a vid and say they want to be praised and then we catch them on it. I cannot stand those people.

Another type is the guy who thinks he is helping us by divulging secrets, such as killzones, or telling us what is out in the map that they think we don't know about. Those types I try my best to discourage because both of the types I mentioned are anti-exploration.

However, if you state that you have used software like that it is up to you. You have never tried to pass off as though you are not using mods. We just don't want to be told by modders what we can and can't do, we'll find out ourselves. It's a brotherhood thing.

The philosophy of most trickers is that it is the journey that counts, not the ending. Mods will get you to the ending without a journey and that is no fun at all.

Simply getting skulls is in no way a hindrance to guys that don't mod. If I could have a menu of skulls I would. The only time I would not use a menu is doing a SLASO run and any gameplay where the getting of the skulls has to be filmed. It is not fair to the other trickers when that is done.
Well I haven't seen much of those.

That's the kind of guy I try to avoid and that's what I meant earlier. I said that Tartarus in the Uprising cutscene may not have a biped and that may discourage exploration.

I see.

Right. Well I only use them to get acquainted with things. I did mod at some points to get to the Cairo Station bomb room and I did mod to get acquainted with Uprising, Oracle, Metropolis, etc. If it weren't for that, I'd be saying Halo 2 Campaign was lackluster because of H2's Legendary's steep learning curve. It's like climbing a tall mountain. You see it, it looks difficult. But when I do it piece by piece and by observation and playtime, I get acquainted with the map and am not inclined to give up so easily. This is why The Covenant is my favorite Halo 3 level.

I have been hoping for a Halo 2 with updated graphics (although I despise Uprising for it's difficulty, I also love it for it's stunning scenery and AI) but you have a good point, that a skull menu might not be fair to those who worked hard to get them. I think what they really should do is give out a few checkpoints at certain points to make skull retrieving easier. What really detracted me yesterday from my typical enjoyment of Halo 2 was the lack of checkpoints.

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Lol, you said may not have a biped but I don't know any tricker that has ever looked for or ever found a biped though normal gameplay. The Tartarus thing doesn't matter because regardless it would be cool to see Tartarus walking on that platform with Elites standing there.

Only on SLASO would a skull menu be unfair but that's only my opinion.

Whenever I use BE I notice some normal CP's that are not there. I don't know for sure though.

  • 10.09.2011 11:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grumpy1
Lol, you said may not have a biped but I don't know any tricker that has ever looked for or ever found a biped though normal gameplay. The Tartarus thing doesn't matter because regardless it would be cool to see Tartarus walking on that platform with Elites standing there.

Only on SLASO would a skull menu be unfair but that's only my opinion.

Whenever I use BE I notice some normal CP's that are not there. I don't know for sure though.
Whoops I mean may not have a biped entry.

Oh, ok. So how do I get the Spectre with Elites on it down? I already know how to go down (with a Brute shot) but I haven't tested it yet.

Maybe make some of them available in a menu: Grunt Birthday Party, Envy, Ghost, Black Eye, maybe Iron

Are you sure those aren't the default checkpoints?

  • 10.10.2011 1:20 PM PDT

You have to swordfly back from the tower so when you can swordfly you are automatically fall-timed.

Not sure, but on Gravemind you can sometimes go through the entire level with no CP's with BE on.

And when I said biped, I meant hidden biped. There's an Arbiter and or MC placeholder on every lever but I've only seen them in modded vids. I don't know about Tartarus.

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Posted by: Grumpy1
You have to swordfly back from the tower so when you can swordfly you are automatically fall-timed.

Not sure, but on Gravemind you can sometimes go through the entire level with no CP's with BE on.

And when I said biped, I meant hidden biped. There's an Arbiter and or MC placeholder on every lever but I've only seen them in modded vids. I don't know about Tartarus.
Fall-timed meaning I can reach the bottom without dying?

Interesting.

In that case, I wasn't able to find it. I did see Guilty Spark and Keyes though.

  • 10.10.2011 10:50 PM PDT


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Posted by: Grumpy1
You have to swordfly back from the tower so when you can swordfly you are automatically fall-timed.

Not sure, but on Gravemind you can sometimes go through the entire level with no CP's with BE on.

And when I said biped, I meant hidden biped. There's an Arbiter and or MC placeholder on every lever but I've only seen them in modded vids. I don't know about Tartarus.
Fall-timed meaning I can reach the bottom without dying?

Interesting.

In that case, I wasn't able to find it. I did see Guilty Spark and Keyes though.
Yeah man, fall-time is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. On my Delta Halo tut vids where I'm trying to launch to the towers, I show how to fall-time yourself. You can be fall-timed without having to be swordfly activated so even a Ghost can fall forever without dying. It will be easy for you, all you do is have an enemy close to the vehicle you want to fall-time and swordcancel into the drivers seat. Or do scurty's way (see below).

Here's an example of fall-timing a Wraith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOykT0I0P4

Here's the Scorpion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89uAKH0V11I

Here's scurty's way for the Ghost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04L3tjmH7qk&feature=player _embedded

If you can't get an Elite in the Ghost you can do it like I did the tanks.

For Uprising and the Spectre, you need to swordfly to get back from the tower. Or if you just want to get down, you can fall-time it like scurty or my way. Scurty's way is easier if you can make it so the Spectre only has a Brute driver, then you simply swipe and get in.

Here's the swordfly for Uprising, it should make more sense now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvQJ-9Vq2ws The swordfly activation is at the beginning.

By the way, fall-time was discovered by one of the best HCE trickers...Ms Man. The Pelican punting was discovered by dantheman87.

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Nice job but I'm OCD about playing the game by the designated route.

Don't judge me!

  • 10.11.2011 2:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Grumpy1
You have to swordfly back from the tower so when you can swordfly you are automatically fall-timed.

Not sure, but on Gravemind you can sometimes go through the entire level with no CP's with BE on.

And when I said biped, I meant hidden biped. There's an Arbiter and or MC placeholder on every lever but I've only seen them in modded vids. I don't know about Tartarus.
Fall-timed meaning I can reach the bottom without dying?

Interesting.

In that case, I wasn't able to find it. I did see Guilty Spark and Keyes though.
Yeah man, fall-time is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. On my Delta Halo tut vids where I'm trying to launch to the towers, I show how to fall-time yourself. You can be fall-timed without having to be swordfly activated so even a Ghost can fall forever without dying. It will be easy for you, all you do is have an enemy close to the vehicle you want to fall-time and swordcancel into the drivers seat. Or do scurty's way (see below).

Here's an example of fall-timing a Wraith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcOykT0I0P4

Here's the Scorpion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89uAKH0V11I

Here's scurty's way for the Ghost:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04L3tjmH7qk&feature=player _embedded

If you can't get an Elite in the Ghost you can do it like I did the tanks.

For Uprising and the Spectre, you need to swordfly to get back from the tower. Or if you just want to get down, you can fall-time it like scurty or my way. Scurty's way is easier if you can make it so the Spectre only has a Brute driver, then you simply swipe and get in.

Here's the swordfly for Uprising, it should make more sense now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvQJ-9Vq2ws The swordfly activation is at the beginning.

By the way, fall-time was discovered by one of the best HCE trickers...Ms Man. The Pelican punting was discovered by dantheman87.
Holy -blam!-!

I'll be pouring all my resources into this if I have to. Thanks Grumpy!!! I'll give my opinion on this later. I have a busy day ahead of me.

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Nice job but I'm OCD about playing the game by the designated route.

Don't judge me!
Thanks! Well I'm a perfectionist, which has similar consequences to OCD.

I won't. ;)

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