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Subject: I think a warning can deliver the same effect as a ban...

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Posted by: Tom T
I agree that warnings can have the same, if not a better, effect. Banning a user prevents them posting otherwise positive contributions elsewhere, it can also make them resentful. Those who appreciate the public forums tend to appreciate a warning and will take notice (the fact it is always present on their profile page is also helpful *evilgrin*). Of course this all depends on the member and their violation, which is why it is far better to allow for moderator's to use their judgement, than having a strict ban policy.
I personally have thought nothing of any of my warnings except the one TU gave me before my first ban. And that's only in hindsight.

Warnings do say "stop doing this or you could very well get a ban" but I sort of got desensitized to them. I got 2 before my first ban.

Not to invalidate your other points (which were good), but I don't think anything except a good 3(or 7)-day is enough of a kick in the pants to actually make most users stop and think about something they're continually doing that breaks the rules (derailing threads, posting inb4's and other spam, being a -blam!-, etc...).

[Edited on 10.07.2011 3:28 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2011 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tom T
I agree that warnings can have the same, if not a better, effect. Banning a user prevents them posting otherwise positive contributions elsewhere, it can also make them resentful. Those who appreciate the public forums tend to appreciate a warning and will take notice (the fact it is always present on their profile page is also helpful *evilgrin*). Of course this all depends on the member and their violation, which is why it is far better to allow for moderator's to use their judgement, than having a strict ban policy.
I personally have thought nothing of any of my warnings except the one TU gave me before my first ban. And that's only in hindsight.

Warnings do say "stop doing this or you could very well get a ban" but I sort of got desensitized to them. I got like 4 before my first ban. I know that's not a normal situation but the affect can be numbed after you get your first few.

Not to invalidate your other points (which were good), but I don't think anything except a good 3(or 7)-day is enough of a kick in the pants to actually make most users stop and think about something they're continually doing that breaks the rules (derailing threads, posting inb4's and other spam, being a -blam!-, etc...).
Two warnings. Both were within the first months of your account's creation date. Until you place some value on your account they are fairly meaningless. This is why warnings tend to have more impact on better established members/those who have already experienced a good kick in the pants.

[Edited on 10.07.2011 3:08 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2011 3:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tom T
Two warnings. Both were within the first months of your account's creation date. Until you place some value on your account they are fairly meaningless. This is why warnings tend to have more impact on better established members/those who have already experienced a good kick in the pants.
Makes enough sense. I just don't think it can be as effective as a ban is all.

It's like saying a yellow card in football (soccer) makes as much of an emotional impact on a player as a red card makes. A yellow card may make you play more cautiously, but only a red card will kick you out of the game and suspend you a whole game. And, depending on the circumstances (E.G. a semifinal of the World Cup), a missed game can be a big deal. A red card would obviously affect the player mentally much more. Not saying they would be emotionally distraught, but it would affect them more.

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Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

A warning is not a warning if there is a punishment with it.

I call warning baby bans.

  • 10.07.2011 3:30 PM PDT
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I've brought up warnings vs bans many a time...

I think warnings are much more constructive if your intention is to educate the user.
Bans are for if you want to punish the user.

imo.

[Edited on 10.07.2011 4:17 PM PDT]

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Posted by: evilcam
While I agree with your philosophical reasoning, if you're talking about your personal anecdotes, I can't agree. You've had warnings before. Ninjas see that, and adjust potential punishments accordingly.

Though if this is just a philosophical argument, as I said, I agree. If whatever "you" (not you OP, but the proverbial member) did wasn't that bad of a violation, then a warning is the best action a ninja could take. Though if it was a bad infraction, a ban would be better than a warning. That is actually Bungie's policy for bans already. If its a minor infraction, you get a warning. Though if you continue to violate the rules, bans are introduced, and ban lengths ascend as violations pile up.

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