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Subject: Reach major canon inconstencies fixed

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It was a bait all along for operation red flag.

  • 10.07.2011 3:25 PM PDT
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So how does this fix a team of non-existent Spartan IIIs? Just wondering was all.

  • 10.07.2011 3:31 PM PDT

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I see nothing too wrong with that.

  • 10.07.2011 3:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sandtrap
So how does this fix a team of non-existent Spartan IIIs? Just wondering was all.


How can they be non-existent?

  • 10.07.2011 3:37 PM PDT

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But I'm happy! Look at what 343 industries does! They fix!

  • 10.07.2011 3:39 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

They really planned all of this out :))

  • 10.07.2011 3:41 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

And suddenly! All the problems were fixed! That explains the lack of defense on Reach.
*happy face*

  • 10.07.2011 3:42 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Who is bossing Parangosky about? I mean, who could? Hood maybe?

Also, RED FLAG would have been a slaughter for the Spartans. They would never have gotten into High Charity much less to the Prophets. Sacrificing Reach and then throwing all the Spartans away, plus Cortana. Ouch. Good thing RED FLAG never went through.

  • 10.07.2011 3:45 PM PDT

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  • 10.07.2011 3:46 PM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
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Agreed, I'm liking what 343i is doing so far.

  • 10.07.2011 3:53 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: anton1792
Who is bossing Parangosky about? I mean, who could? Hood maybe?

Also, RED FLAG would have been a slaughter for the Spartans. They would never have gotten into High Charity much less to the Prophets. Sacrificing Reach and then throwing all the Spartans away, plus Cortana. Ouch. Good thing RED FLAG never went through.

Maybe there is someone above Parangosky in ONI who is bossing her around. But I agree, Red Flag would have been horrible.

  • 10.07.2011 3:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sandtrap
So how does this fix a team of non-existent Spartan IIIs? Just wondering was all.


It's been explained numerous times how Noble and similar teams can exist. They were pulled out of their respective companies before PROMETHEUS.
Thing is though, there seem to be too many S-IIIs being pulled from their respective companies.

- Carter, Jun and Emile from Alpha.
- Kat and Six from Beta.
- Thom.
- Jonah and Roland, probably also from Beta. There are more Headhunter teams too that we've not seen.
- Gauntlet and Echo Team, definitely aren't S-IIs and in total there are 13 of them.

That's well over 20 S-IIIs unaccounted for during their respective operations, I can see it getting to a point where only 3 people took part in these battles...

[Edited on 10.07.2011 4:12 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2011 4:11 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Posted by: ajw34307
That's well over 20 S-IIIs unaccounted for during their respective operations, I can see it getting to a point where only 3 people took part in these battles...

That's 20 out of several hundred. Not an issue.

  • 10.07.2011 7:17 PM PDT

Still not entirely convinced, HMS quite flat out says he will not do it.

Though its a start.

Edit: Just read on the Waypoint forums; as it turns out, the letter was sent on Aug. 1st (I don't read dates too often), so they did it anyway. Making ONI the cruelest mother -blam!- ers in the Haloverse.

Now I'm very concerned about Thel's well-being in Glasslands... ):

[Edited on 10.07.2011 8:30 PM PDT]

  • 10.07.2011 8:25 PM PDT

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You're not giving me a good impression right now...

  • 10.07.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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Oh, you dirty sons of...

This is far too well done. I tip my hat off to you, 343.

  • 10.07.2011 10:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sandtrap
So how does this fix a team of non-existent Spartan IIIs? Just wondering was all.


It's been explained numerous times how Noble and similar teams can exist. They were pulled out of their respective companies before PROMETHEUS.
Thing is though, there seem to be too many S-IIIs being pulled from their respective companies.

- Carter, Jun and Emile from Alpha.
- Kat and Six from Beta.
- Thom.
- Jonah and Roland, probably also from Beta. There are more Headhunter teams too that we've not seen.
- Gauntlet and Echo Team, definitely aren't S-IIs and in total there are 13 of them.

That's well over 20 S-IIIs unaccounted for during their respective operations, I can see it getting to a point where only 3 people took part in these battles...


There are still 197 unaccounted for candidates rejected for Alpha and about 118(?) for Beta. I don't see ONI nessessairly bringing kids to a secret installation, rejecting them and them placing them back in the general population.

Ackerson especially.

  • 10.08.2011 12:45 AM PDT

See, I always knew inconsistenties in Reach would be fixed or explained for.
Firstly the whole game being a reconstruction, and now this.
Should be fun to see how the general opinion amongst my fellow hardcore fans changes now that things are starting to look less moronic than we thought at first...can Reach suddenly become good? We'll see ;)

As for the S3's: There have been so many, and so many drop outs or pull outs under the name "drop out" its just hard to keep track of them. Especially since there really aren't that many things known in detail about the different S3 classes etc.

  • 10.08.2011 1:38 AM PDT

I still don't like Reach campaign

I want the REAL Reach campaign

  • 10.08.2011 2:47 AM PDT
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^

Really, you want a 2 hour-long campaign?

[Edited on 10.08.2011 2:56 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2011 2:55 AM PDT


Posted by: LiquidusClone
I still don't like Reach campaign

I want the REAL Reach campaign


And how is the REAL Reach campaign in your memory?
Because, let me make this clear: Fall of Reach does not explore the battle on Reach in any detail. Just some references and some global stuff. It does feature the space battle in more detail. But still: the actual battle of Reach only lasts about 40 pages (out of 300+) in the book, of which most is just space battle and Chief, Keyes and Cortana witnessing the battle and coming up with plans...

Then Reach falls in about 2 hours, and relatively small pockets of resistance hold out until 3 weeks later.

The ground battle not being discussed doesn't mean 75% of what happens in Reach (the game) is inaccurate. The fact that you don't like it, and therefore discard it as "stupid" doesn't mean it can't fit in (when you take in account the "inconsistenties" due to the game being "the most complete reconstruction anybody has been able to construct").

  • 10.08.2011 3:10 AM PDT

Exact science, is not an exact science.

Lolz!!

  • 10.08.2011 4:22 AM PDT

Posted by: DonVinzone1
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I want a campaign based on The Fall Of Reach,The First Strike and Ghost Of Onix

Nothing impossibile

  • 10.08.2011 6:01 AM PDT

Doesn't explain how exactly the old battle fits in. They want us to believe that the SIIs were completely unaware of what was going on until the 30th, even though there was a giant fleet glassing the planet on the 14th?

I think they still need to clarify: the events that started on the 30th in the book now start on the 14th (when the fleet arrives), and instead of all going down in one day, it is extended to two weeks, and ENDS on the 30th.

If they just told us that, I'd be happy.

Still doesn't explain what MC was doing while the POA was docked, because he sure as hell shouldn't be sleeping when the battle is still happening.

I do like the "bait" idea though. They pulled back all their defenses, tried to make reach look weak. Maybe for example, they did that so the covenant wouldn't feel the need to send in a "real" fleet. But then a full fleet arrived (they were completely unaware that the covenant had found what they wanted weeks ago - the artifact - and were already preparing a massive fleet.) So everything was scrapped.

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