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  • 10.08.2011 9:10 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?

Makes me wonder what the hell is gonna happen to Paragonsky if (when) people find out...

And about 343 "filling part of the hole", we don't know how long this has existed as an idea/whatever.

  • 10.08.2011 9:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

While this is better there are still things that need to be better explained.

- what was going on at the relay station that got the Zealots attention other than shutting off communications (which spec ops could/should have done).

- More information on NOBLE team would be nice since we were assured that the game would give a depth explanation to them. Starting with why jun and emile weren't part of the original NOBLE team if they were in Alpha with Carter.


- What Exactly destroyed the covenant corvette on "Sword Base" (not really important but still).

- How noble team was exposed to such extremely high levels of radiation and didn't die.

-What was the purpose of that Artifact halsey found.

- How could the PoA got to the surface of Reach unscathed despite the fact it should be heavily damaged from engagements along with the fact hundreds of covenant ships are in orbit. The same is said for how it left without issue.


Then the actual mechanics of how it could land in the first place are needed.

  • 10.08.2011 9:30 AM PDT

Now that is very interesting thank's for sharing this.

  • 10.08.2011 9:44 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: grey101
Then the actual mechanics of how it (PoA) could land in the first place are needed.

Well, it's already been established that some UNSC ships can hover in atmosphere. Like Spirit of Fire which, as you know, is 2 times bigger than PoA. Has to be remembered too that it landed on 04 with little damage to important stuff. So it's pretty clear that it had those "UNSC hovering devices" on it. Apparently not strong enough to hover on its own, but still powerful enough to slow it down so it won't blow up on contact to the ground and those big cranes can grab it.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: fxnavarro
1. The Zealots were looking for artifacts in that facility in addition to shutting down the relay station. The data drops give detials at how there were artifacts directky below Visegrad.
2. They were pulled before Alpha was sent on their mission. But yes, more specific info would be nice.
3. Probably a MAC using a light shell, a ship or some unspecified orbital defense.
4. Noble Team was exposed to radiation only for a few seconds until Kat got readings of it and they put their helmets back on. There lungs also have higher capabilities.
5. The artifact below Sword Base was used to decode the artifact found on Sigma Octanus IV (Halo TFoR). This was mentioned in the personal journal.
6. The PoA probably had those extra thrusters installed while in orbit and then used them to land. No the PoA was not unscathed, it took damage from the battle (Halo TFoR) and simply fled past ships busy glassing the planet (Halo 2/Reach).



1. In which they must not have been that important since the main focus was Sword.


2.Huh? that isn't the question. nor is that the answer.

3. we need an actual answer not our own speculations.

4.Um do you know how much 40 million roentgens is? And you absorb radiation you don't breathe it in.

5. We know that, but it clearly had to be more important from what halsey was saying about it ontop of the fact it was destroy. We need actual information not what we conjure up.

6. Again, offical information

  • 10.08.2011 9:52 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Filling in plot holes in extra-canonical works. That's great storytelling.

  • 10.08.2011 10:06 AM PDT


Posted by: fxnavarro
@grey101
1. It was important enough to dispatch and Elite Strike Team :3
2. The members of Alpha, Beta, etc. in Noble Team were pulled from their companies prior to the destruction of their respective companies. Your question wasn't clear so I just gave what I thought was an answer to it.
3. Its a logical assumption, an educated guess. Clearly it was a shell from some sort of MAC gun, its an unimportant detail that 343i may never go over.
4. Well clearly they survived unscathed, so that basically gives the assumption that there augmented lungs can handle that. Once again, an unimportant detail, might as well take guesses because 343i will not go over it.
5. Once again, read the personal journal, a starmap leading to Halo is kinda important, hence why it was given to Cortana (fragment, later reuinited), and then escorted by S-IIIs to a highly modified ship with S-IIs. That answers your question.
6. The thruster part is a logical assumption, the escape part is shown in the first cutscene of Halo 2.

Mostly, I agree with this.
1. Zealots are dispatched for any type of "holy" encounter. If the covenant found even the slightest hint to forerunner tech, then they would jump on it immediately.
2. Can't really add much more cause I really don't know
3. The corvette had to be destroyed by some sort of orbital MAC round. The longswords were there to give the coordinates so that it could fire. I don't think this is that important and we can assume the MAC idea easily.
4. pretty much agree with the above. They are 500 years in the future, I think they might have been able to come up with something.
5. agreed
6. Like stated, we see the PoA slip past the covenant in the Halo 2 cutscene. Most likely, they fired up their engines to full power and aimed for the biggest opening in the blockade.

Basically, what im trying to say is that for some of these things we can assume because they are not very important. They happened one way or another. Bigger questions could have more specific answers because they are relevent to the entire story. Trying to figure out how the PoA got through the blockade or how the spartans survived radiation is, to me, irrelevant (or at least irrelevant enough to not have this type of discussion about it).

This was in response to grey101's post.

  • 10.08.2011 10:38 AM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

If they were Gamma Rays, Noble team would surely be dead.
However, Alpha and Beta particles are not very deadly.

They would lose momentum after a few feet and transfer their energy to the surrounding atmosphere. When Kat refers to "Atomic Excitement", that means that the atoms and molecules in the atmosphere around her are gaining energy.

The Alpha and Beta particles would not reach Noble Team. However, if there are enough of them, their energy can be transfered over a huge distance. Perhaps this explains it?

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By the way, "augmented lungs" would not save them from Gamma Rays. Human DNA uses weak Hydrogen bonds that are easily broken by Gamma Rays. That is why Gamma rays are so deadly; they blast apart our DNA into tiny pieces.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: fxnavarro
@grey101
1. It was important enough to dispatch and Elite Strike Team :3
2. The members of Alpha, Beta, etc. in Noble Team were pulled from their companies prior to the destruction of their respective companies. Your question wasn't clear so I just gave what I thought was an answer to it.
3. Its a logical assumption, an educated guess. Clearly it was a shell from some sort of MAC gun, its an unimportant detail that 343i may never go over.
4. Well clearly they survived unscathed, so that basically gives the assumption that there augmented lungs can handle that. Once again, an unimportant detail, might as well take guesses because 343i will not go over it.
5. Once again, read the personal journal, a starmap leading to Halo is kinda important, hence why it was given to Cortana (fragment, later reuinited), and then escorted by S-IIIs to a highly modified ship with S-IIs. That answers your question.
6. The thruster part is a logical assumption, the escape part is shown in the first cutscene of Halo 2.




1.Which from what we know they supposedly do that all the time so again we don't need your explanation for it and am stating things we have yet to get an official response on. in which i retort, what was it's importance?

2.And i am not asking for you to answer this so stop responding. i clearly stated "Here are some things that 343 needs to further elaborate on" So stop trying to filling the holes with how you see it.

3.Did i ask you to logically assume? no, i said "They need to tell us what it was".

4.Do you understand that you do not breathe in radiation? you absorb it through your body. starfish still get radiation from the sun despite having no lungs.

5. How about you understand that halo wasn't found by a starmap but by cortana using a rare chance to plug in coordinates she found. They didn't know what was on the other side nor did they no it was anymore important than any other forerunner artifact.
How about you re-read The fall of reach and the first 30 pages of the flood. And this does not answer the question of what the artifact is nor did i ask you to give shoddy answer we have all seen for the last year.

6.Again, official explanation not yours.

  • 10.09.2011 5:43 PM PDT

Corn, Oil, and Wine... We need more wine...

Why are you all saying the PoA was in Halo 2? It never made it off of the ring in Halo CE.

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Posted by: grey101

6.Again, official explanation not yours.



Does an in-game explanation from someone who should know count?

"It fled, as we burned their planet."

Posted by: zash208
Why are you all saying the PoA was in Halo 2? It never made it off of the ring in Halo CE.


A very brief scene of the PoA escaping Reach is shown at the start of the game in a flashback from the same somebody who should know.


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: fxnavarro
@grey101

You're just being an ass, I'm not even gonna quote you just so i don't have to see your BS reply again. 343i will not answer your questions, they have been explained and/or can be logically assumed by the fan base. Don't give me that -blam!- "I didn't ask for your logical assumption", dude you're on MY thread on the Bungie Universe forums which is intended to discuss canon. If you really want official answers you should be trolling the Waypoint Forums where 343i may see your whining.


343 will have to explain how NOBLE team survived a radiation count far higher than humans will ever be able to take in such a small time. And nothing mathematically logical is behind the PoA Landing and operating in an atmosphere.

so i am assuming since this is "your thread" that anything you believe can happen in it? If so than you are correct by saying that we can breath in radiation.

You are the only that doesn't have your stuff together which can be seen from your raging.

  • 10.10.2011 6:25 AM PDT

So what went wrong with this operation, then?

  • 10.10.2011 6:45 AM PDT


Posted by: fxnavarro
how Reach, one of the heaviest defended plants, was infiltrated.
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This is why I love Bungie forums. :) lol

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: fxnavarro
@grey101

You're just being an ass, I'm not even gonna quote you just so i don't have to see your BS reply again. 343i will not answer your questions, they have been explained and/or can be logically assumed by the fan base. Don't give me that -blam!- "I didn't ask for your logical assumption", dude you're on MY thread on the Bungie Universe forums which is intended to discuss canon. If you really want official answers you should be trolling the Waypoint Forums where 343i may see your whining.


343 will have to explain how NOBLE team survived a radiation count far higher than humans will ever be able to take in such a small time. And nothing mathematically logical is behind the PoA Landing and operating in an atmosphere.

so i am assuming since this is "your thread" that anything you believe can happen in it? If so than you are correct by saying that we can breath in radiation.

You are the only that doesn't have your stuff together which can be seen from your raging.


@fxnavarro, most of questions can't be answered by the logical assumptions. NOTICE THE WORD: ASSUMPTIONS. Go look it up on dictionary, I don't think you know what it means. And there is many things that NEEDS TO BE explained such as Noble Team surviving high count of radiation. 40 million ratogens is enough to vaporize entire team in few seconds.

Also, they has to explain about PoA leaving off the surface, which it's physically impossible especially with its weight and gravity. Thrusters aren't enough, it has take lot of energy to do that. Sure, it is 500 years future but that's not in case because they still use fusion technology which we are nearing.

Grey is correct on this section, although.

You're just being stubborn kid, fxnavarro.

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  • 10.10.2011 7:28 AM PDT

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4. Noble Team was exposed to radiation only for a few seconds until Kat got readings of it and they put their helmets back on. There lungs also have higher capabilities.

500 roentgens can kill a person is less than 5 minutes. 90 million... Noble should have been instantly disintegrated.

  • 10.10.2011 9:21 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
4. Noble Team was exposed to radiation only for a few seconds until Kat got readings of it and they put their helmets back on. There lungs also have higher capabilities.

500 roentgens can kill a person is less than 5 minutes. 90 million... Noble should have been instantly disintegrated.


They all had their plot shields at full strength.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ajw34307
4. Noble Team was exposed to radiation only for a few seconds until Kat got readings of it and they put their helmets back on. There lungs also have higher capabilities.

500 roentgens can kill a person is less than 5 minutes. 90 million... Noble should have been instantly disintegrated.


They all had their plot shields at full strength.


Their shields obviously overloaded since Kats didn't save her.

  • 10.10.2011 9:26 AM PDT

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