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Subject: Dear Bungie, You made a mistake, Please Read.

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.


Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

[quote]Posted by: RKOSNAKE


...REGARDING THE DNA...

Yes, all Spartan III's are capable of wearing MJOLNIR. They weren't all issued it because it would be too expensive to make that many sets of armor.
BUT, they handed out MJOLNIR to the best qualified Spartan III's, to ensure their money didn't go to waste. These Spartan III's had the best quality DNA, DNA that was "Spartan II quality".
Hence, NOBLE TEAM was created.

I thought that would be a common sense thing, but I guess I did have to explain it.
(You gunna hand out expensive battle armor? Give it to the best qualified. Duh.)

Clearly, none of you read my thread where I STATE THAT III'S ARE CAPABLE OF WEARING MJOLNIR. Seriously people, read the links before commenting.

What is with you constantly promoting your thread?

I read it.

It raised some good points, but also promoted some incorrect ones.
For instance, you don't have any sources for your information. Most, if not all, is conjecture on your part, if not you just deciding that some of the SIII's had the higher 'quality' DNA.



Again, MJOLNIR use/issue has absolutely NOTHING to do with the 'higher quality DNA'.

The reason that only the Spartan II's were originally able to use the MJOLNIR armor was because of their augmentations, which were able to occur because of their select DNA.
Those augmentations made it possible to use the MJOLNIR armor, as without those enhancements they would have been destroyed, much like the marine testing the armor in the novels.


By the time the Spartan III's were created, the augmentation procedures had advanced to the stage that a wider genetic set could be used in the enhancement procedures, thus making the SIII's augmentation wise, on the same level as the SII's, and thus equally able to use MJOLNIR PAA.

Give me a canon source that says that NOBLE had a 'better' set of DNA, which was why they were issued MJOLNIR.

Can't find one, right?

The reason NOBLE was issued it was because they had survived countless operations, and their usefulness and worth to the UNSC went up enough that they were issued MJOLNIR to increase their combat effectiveness and survivability.



[Edited on 10.09.2011 8:56 AM PDT]

  • 10.09.2011 8:55 AM PDT

I have been keeping up with the Spartan IIIs since I first got to read Ghost of Oynx. The Reason behind the starting of the Spartan IIIs were to make Supersoldiers as quickly and cheaply to turn the war around. The SPARTAN-III program was both the successor and supplement to the SPARTAN-II program. Created and engineered by Colonel Ackerson of the Office of Naval Intelligence, the SPARTAN-III soldiers were to be the next generation of supersoldiers. Composed primarily of vengeful orphans from fallen colonies, they would be cheaper to arm, train, and produce; being chosen from a wider pool of candidates, they would also be more numerous than their SPARTAN-II predecessors. They would rely on superior battle tactics, teamwork and sheer numbers rather than advanced technology and equipment, to achieve their effectiveness. As the Spartan-IIIs trained, a few were pulled from the Alpha and Deta Company and and put in new units like Noble Team and the Headhunters. They were put in the units cause of their skills. As like with B312 was pulled from the rest of Deta Company after training and used in ops that nobody needed to know cause of his/her skills. Noble Team were giving the Mark V MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor as they were for more Special Operations than the rest of the Spartan-IIIs. And as everyone knows. Special Operations always keeps the better gear than the rest of the Military. Like the ODST gets the VISR and better armor that the Marines and the Army Troopers.

  • 10.09.2011 10:15 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
- When the Spartan III's were screened, they found that a few of them had Spartan-II quality DNA. These Spartans were pulled out of their companies, issued MJOLNIR armor, and dubbed NOBLE Team. These Spartan III's are almost on parr with Spartan II's.


Your source for this bollocks?

  • 10.09.2011 10:28 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
- When the Spartan III's were screened, they found that a few of them had Spartan-II quality DNA. These Spartans were pulled out of their companies, issued MJOLNIR armor, and dubbed NOBLE Team. These Spartan III's are almost on parr with Spartan II's.


Your source for this bollocks?


The letter no doubt, but I doubt the 'Spartan II DNA' ones were only assigned to Noble. Wasn't there planned to be far more Spartan IIs? However they only found the 150 so far, and then budget cuts pushed it to 75?

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
- When the Spartan III's were screened, they found that a few of them had Spartan-II quality DNA. These Spartans were pulled out of their companies, issued MJOLNIR armor, and dubbed NOBLE Team. These Spartan III's are almost on parr with Spartan II's.


Your source for this bollocks?


The letter no doubt, but I doubt the 'Spartan II DNA' ones were only assigned to Noble. Wasn't there planned to be far more Spartan IIs? However they only found the 150 so far, and then budget cuts pushed it to 75?


I think some of the other S-II quality ones went on to be Headhunter squads. It seems like the same criteria apply.



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  • 10.09.2011 10:49 AM PDT


Posted by: thebobafettest

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

[quote]Posted by: RKOSNAKE


...REGARDING THE DNA...

Yes, all Spartan III's are capable of wearing MJOLNIR. They weren't all issued it because it would be too expensive to make that many sets of armor.
BUT, they handed out MJOLNIR to the best qualified Spartan III's, to ensure their money didn't go to waste. These Spartan III's had the best quality DNA, DNA that was "Spartan II quality".
Hence, NOBLE TEAM was created.

I thought that would be a common sense thing, but I guess I did have to explain it.
(You gunna hand out expensive battle armor? Give it to the best qualified. Duh.)

Clearly, none of you read my thread where I STATE THAT III'S ARE CAPABLE OF WEARING MJOLNIR. Seriously people, read the links before commenting.

What is with you constantly promoting your thread?

I read it.

It raised some good points, but also promoted some incorrect ones.
For instance, you don't have any sources for your information. Most, if not all, is conjecture on your part, if not you just deciding that some of the SIII's had the higher 'quality' DNA.



Again, MJOLNIR use/issue has absolutely NOTHING to do with the 'higher quality DNA'.

The reason that only the Spartan II's were originally able to use the MJOLNIR armor was because of their augmentations, which were able to occur because of their select DNA.
Those augmentations made it possible to use the MJOLNIR armor, as without those enhancements they would have been destroyed, much like the marine testing the armor in the novels.


By the time the Spartan III's were created, the augmentation procedures had advanced to the stage that a wider genetic set could be used in the enhancement procedures, thus making the SIII's augmentation wise, on the same level as the SII's, and thus equally able to use MJOLNIR PAA.

Give me a canon source that says that NOBLE had a 'better' set of DNA, which was why they were issued MJOLNIR.

Can't find one, right?

The reason NOBLE was issued it was because they had survived countless operations, and their usefulness and worth to the UNSC went up enough that they were issued MJOLNIR to increase their combat effectiveness and survivability.



He's not saying that only the small bunches of SIIIs that had the same qualifications (which covers a far wider specification than just DNA and genetics) as the SIIs could wear Mjolner. What he's saying is that only the IIIs who matched Halsey's specifications for the Spartan II candidates are the only ones that Kurt and Mendez chose to outfit as proper Spartans as opposed to the half-assed budget-cut equipment requirements for the average Spartan III.

Any Spartan III could wear Mjolner and function efficiently with and what not, but only the IIIs who would have been chosen as Spartan IIs if the project had lasted longer or they had been born earlier were outfitted with Mjolner and the same kinds of equipment and technology given to their Spartan II brethren.

And advertising material is just as much canon as anything else until contradicted by new info from a higher source (interview with Bungie/343i, book, game, or new marketing info).

  • 10.09.2011 11:07 AM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.


Posted by: OrderedComa

He's not saying that only the small bunches of SIIIs that had the same qualifications (which covers a far wider specification than just DNA and genetics) as the SIIs could wear Mjolner. What he's saying is that only the IIIs who matched Halsey's specifications for the Spartan II candidates are the only ones that Kurt and Mendez chose to outfit as proper Spartans as opposed to the half-assed budget-cut equipment requirements for the average Spartan III.

Any Spartan III could wear Mjolner and function efficiently with and what not, but only the IIIs who would have been chosen as Spartan IIs if the project had lasted longer or they had been born earlier were outfitted with Mjolner and the same kinds of equipment and technology given to their Spartan II brethren.

And advertising material is just as much canon as anything else until contradicted by new info from a higher source (interview with Bungie/343i, book, game, or new marketing info).


No, I know what he's saying, and my problem with what he's saying is that he is 1) incorrect, 2) Trying to use conjecture and personal opinion as canon, and disregarding actual canon, and 3) constantly getting frustrated with people that don't agree with what he posted in his thread.


The "average" Spartan III had the better augmentation procedures done compared to the Spartan II's (as the enhancement procedure and technology involved had advanced to be more effective, less dependent on the 'select' DNA, and safer than the SII augmentors, as not a a single Spartan III died during the Augmentation procedures, compared with almost half of the Spartan II's that died or suffered debilitating side effects.)

The SIII training time was reduced, as to field more Spartans faster, but I believe in GoO Kurt says that it is a more intense training regimen.

Basically, the 'average' SIII would be roughly equivalent to a SII with the same experience and equipment.


The issuing of MJOLNIR has nothing to do with their possible conscription into the SII program if it had continued, and everything to do with unit/individual need, proven ability(i.e., surviving previous missions), and to incease the combat efficiency and survivability of the SIII operators.

Again, SIII's having MJOLNIR does not have to do with the UNSC deciding that only the SIII's with the 'select' DNA would be equipped with it, in fact it has to do with individual ability and performance, which has nothing to do with DNA.

Think about it. You could have a Spartan III who was the strongest, fastest, smartest, survived all of his battles, but wasn't in that 'select' DNA pool.
By your logic, he wouldn't be issued MJOLNIR because his DNA wasn't on a good enough level, and it would be given to some other Spartan III, who, while being a excellent soldier, wasn't on par with his comrade ability wise.

Doesn't make much sense, does it?


I don't know what 'advertising material' you're talking about. If you're talking about the Noble Team Letter here on Bnet, all that's implying is that NOBLE and some other SIII's are on par ability wise with some of the SII's. Never does it mention anything about DNA.



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  • 10.09.2011 11:32 AM PDT

Okay, listen, we should get our stories straight, all right? If anyone asks, and no one's gonna ask, don't worry, but if anyone asks, tell them as far as you know, the last time you checked, everyone looked pretty much alive, all right? Not dead.

My Stats And Armor

I Don't Know...

  • 10.09.2011 11:56 AM PDT
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I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.

I'm noble 6

  • 10.09.2011 1:03 PM PDT

Oops. I think I just lost your mind.

The SPARTAN-IIIs of Alpha, Beta, and Gamma company were equipped with SPI. NOBLE was a group of S-IIIs and an S-II hat were removed from their respective companies and equipped with MJOLNIR. S-IIIs can use MJOLNIR, it's just not standard-issue for the A,B,G companies.

  • 10.09.2011 1:24 PM PDT

Emile and Carter were spartan 2s in the beginning

  • 10.09.2011 1:25 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: maximumrider677
Emile and Carter were spartan 2s in the beginning


No.

  • 10.09.2011 1:28 PM PDT

Dr. Halsey was in the beginning stages of creating Mjolnir armor, the noble team was not part of halsey's ideals in the log it says that these spartans were created separate from her control group using special ideas

  • 10.09.2011 1:45 PM PDT

Why are you here?

OP, I really hope you're trolling.

  • 10.09.2011 9:20 PM PDT

the only reason SIII's didn't wear Mjolnir was because it was more expensive than SPI armor. And since S III's were essentially budget versions of S II's, it makes sense. Noble Team however, was a special case.

However, that being said, in the Fall of Reach, Master Chief tested the shielded Mjolnir Mk V armor a couple weeks after the Reach starts.

  • 10.09.2011 10:10 PM PDT

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The good one's get the good armor. It's that simple.

  • 10.10.2011 2:24 AM PDT

Simple:

Bungie has stated numerous times that the games are a higher level of Canon. Therefore, if a game conflicts with a book in regards to canon, the game wins and thus the game is canon.

So, Reach is Canon and any disputes will end with Reach being seen as true and the books or comics or videos as false.

  • 10.10.2011 11:02 AM PDT

"We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
'Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds...'
I suppose we all thought that one way or another."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
However, that being said, in the Fall of Reach, Master Chief tested the shielded Mjolnir Mk V armor a couple weeks after the Reach starts.
...that's an excellent point.

  • 10.10.2011 11:12 AM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.


Posted by: JaxBug
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
However, that being said, in the Fall of Reach, Master Chief tested the shielded Mjolnir Mk V armor a couple weeks after the Reach starts.
...that's an excellent point.

That was MJOLNIR MARK V armor that had been upgraded to house a smart AI in it.
The regular Mk V had been out for at least a year.

  • 10.10.2011 2:57 PM PDT

Find our Clan DemiXXGods on private groups. Want to join MS me hope to see you soon!

There boss like that

  • 10.10.2011 9:17 PM PDT

Don't be surprised to see the Halo "canon" erode as more material is released.

  • 10.10.2011 10:06 PM PDT


Posted by: thebobafettest

Posted by: JaxBug
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
However, that being said, in the Fall of Reach, Master Chief tested the shielded Mjolnir Mk V armor a couple weeks after the Reach starts.
...that's an excellent point.

That was MJOLNIR MARK V armor that had been upgraded to house a smart AI in it.
The regular Mk V had been out for at least a year.


Wrong. It was simply the first time they had tested it with an AI plugged in. It's NEVER been started Master Chief's armor was the single and only Mark V to be able to house an AI.

  • 10.10.2011 10:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: thebobafettest

Posted by: JaxBug
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
However, that being said, in the Fall of Reach, Master Chief tested the shielded Mjolnir Mk V armor a couple weeks after the Reach starts.
...that's an excellent point.

That was MJOLNIR MARK V armor that had been upgraded to house a smart AI in it.
The regular Mk V had been out for at least a year.


Wrong. It was simply the first time they had tested it with an AI plugged in. It's NEVER been started Master Chief's armor was the single and only Mark V to be able to house an AI.


I'm not contesting that, but didn't John need an upgrade to his nueral implant aswell in order to be able to use a "smart" AI.

  • 10.10.2011 10:52 PM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: thebobafettest

Posted by: JaxBug
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
However, that being said, in the Fall of Reach, Master Chief tested the shielded Mjolnir Mk V armor a couple weeks after the Reach starts.
...that's an excellent point.

That was MJOLNIR MARK V armor that had been upgraded to house a smart AI in it.
The regular Mk V had been out for at least a year.


Wrong. It was simply the first time they had tested it with an AI plugged in. It's NEVER been started Master Chief's armor was the single and only Mark V to be able to house an AI.

I never said it was the one and only version of it. How did you interpret that?
What I said was correct-the MK V armor that the MC gets is MK V upgraded to house a smart AI.

  • 10.11.2011 2:16 PM PDT


Posted by: superiorarsenal
I'm not contesting that, but didn't John need an upgrade to his neural implant aswell in order to be able to use a "smart" AI.


Yes, he did.


Posted by: thebobafettest
I never said it was the one and only version of it. How did you interpret that?
What I said was correct-the MK V armor that the MC gets is MK V upgraded to house a smart AI.


I'd like to know where this theory came from of two different Mark V armors... I mean, what evidence is there that there is Mark V armor (normal) then Mark V armor (upgraded to house AI)?

Isn't one of the Mark V main features is housing an AI?

  • 10.11.2011 2:53 PM PDT

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