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Subject: An Interesting Phenomenon I've Found

In each of the games, the early stages show the military might of the UNSC, only to reveal how badly outmatched they are by the Covenant


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn

Halo 2

"Now look! The Cairo is just one of three hundred geo-sync platforms. That MAC gun can put a round clean through a Covenant capital ship. With coordinated fire from the Athens and the Malta, nothing's getting past this battle cluster in one piece." ->

Malta Defense Coordinator (COM): "I don't believe it! They're retreating, we won!"

The Malta Station suddenly detonates in a huge ball of fire, the barrel of the MAC gun breaking loose and tumbling away.

Private Dubbo: "This is bad, real bad!"

Halo 3

Not very evident, but the failure of the strike to destroy the forerunner dreadnought could count.

Halo: Reach

Tip of the Spear -> the discovery of Long Night of Solace

Halo 3: ODST

"I take it back. Navy got its butt kicked."

Halo Wars

Captain Cutter: "At first it was going well... Then setback after setback... Loss after loss... Made what was going to be a quick and decisive win... Into five years of Hell..."

  • 10.09.2011 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


He was waiting beyond their firing range while the Covenant landing parties took out the ODP's in order to break a hole in their defensive firing patterns. After Athens and Malta were destroyed, he diverted all power to the engines to rush past Cairo (probably why he didn't just launch a torpedo at Cairo on the way by just as an added -blam!- you to humanity). Johnson quite plainly says nothing would get past this battle cluster, but while heavily implying it would take at least two of them in the cluster to succesfully defend African orbit and air-space.

One ODP, while the most powerful weapon the UNSC has (NOVA doesn't count) likely couldn't track the AC that had just appeared right next to the station; it was too close to fire at, and didn't appear to be a prime target as it wasn't concerned with any human ships, whereas any of the other 13 were fighting the fleet.

The second Assault Carrier that flew by was used as a diversion so that the Flagship would be ignored by the ODPs and Fleet. As you can tell from asking at least one Marathon-Class warship crew, that diversion worked.

I thought it was pretty obvious what he was trying to do, in hindsight, if you ask me.

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Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


And the fact that the compliment of his one Assault Carrier pretty much rolled over New Mombasa, the UNSC seemed to be even worse on the ground until they destroyed the Scarab.

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What else would you except, the Covenent are way more technologicly advanced than the UNSC. It's a miracle how humanity survived in the first place.

[Edited on 10.09.2011 1:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.09.2011 1:18 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

It still seems odd how 20 ODP caused havoc on the Covenant fleet during the Battle of Reach before they were destroyed, while 300 ODPs did very little.

  • 10.09.2011 1:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


THIS THIS THIS THIS

You'd think that the other platforms would fire on Regret's Carrier, seeing that Athens and Malta were too dead to do it.
OR why the ABUNDANCES of ships didn't fire en masse on the Carrier (though they may have been busy fighting the Cruisers, but still, thirteen Cruisers, two Carriers, versus God knows how many UNSC ships. I think there's more than enough UNSC to go around).
And why didn't Cairo take shots at the Assault Carrier?

Also,
"I take it back! Navy got its butt kicked!"
Is, or at least should be a pure lie. The first reason being clear. The second reason being:
"And we most definitely regret the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!"
...which is a DIRECT contradiction. MAKE UP YOUR MIND BUNGIE.


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn


But wouldn't the UNSC have done well on repelling the Covenant from the bridge, considering they're more tactically intelligent? Especially since they were suiting up and prepping for battle before the Covenant even got to the ship.

I always thought it was retarded how you'd always find dead Marines everywhere in every level with them, but no dead Covenant. Come ON, Bungie, the UNSC isn't made up of two year old's.

/ragefest

[Edited on 10.09.2011 2:09 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


THIS THIS THIS THIS

You'd think that the other platforms would fire on Regret's Carrier, seeing that Athens and Malta were too dead to do it.
OR why the ABUNDANCES of ships didn't fire en masse on the Carrier (though they may have been busy fighting the Cruisers, but still, thirteen Cruisers, two Carriers, versus God knows how many UNSC ships. I think there's more than enough UNSC to go around).
And why didn't Cairo take shots at the Assault Carrier?

Also,
"I take it back! Navy got its butt kicked!"
Is, or at least should be a pure lie. The first reason being clear. The second reason being:
"And we most definitely regret the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!"
...which is a DIRECT contradiction. MAKE UP YOUR MIND BUNGIE.


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn


But wouldn't the UNSC have done well on repelling the Covenant from the bridge, considering they're more tactically intelligent? Especially since they were suiting up and prepping for battle before the Covenant even got to the ship.

I always thought it was retarded how you'd always find dead Marines everywhere in every level with them, but no dead Covenant. Come ON, Bungie, the UNSC isn't made up of two year old's.

/ragefest


um Half of the platforms where offline; The Malta and Athens were the only ODPs (other than yours) that was in the Area to take out that ship. The other ones had there on issues to deal with.

Don't take it so literal, there were only 200 ships or so at earth from what we currently know. Despite the 3 to one ratio the shields are pretty strong and there are other things to account for like them not being about to us nukes close to the SMACS, Fighters, ODPs with Bombs on them,etc.

I hate when people don't understand the fact that space battles are not straightforward. The Fact majority of the ODPs were offline combined with not being able to use Nukes puts the UNSC in a tight bind. Not to mention since they are using projectiles in such tight space they need to watch out for friendly and collateral damage.

  • 10.09.2011 5:32 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


THIS THIS THIS THIS

You'd think that the other platforms would fire on Regret's Carrier, seeing that Athens and Malta were too dead to do it.
OR why the ABUNDANCES of ships didn't fire en masse on the Carrier (though they may have been busy fighting the Cruisers, but still, thirteen Cruisers, two Carriers, versus God knows how many UNSC ships. I think there's more than enough UNSC to go around).
And why didn't Cairo take shots at the Assault Carrier?

Also,
"I take it back! Navy got its butt kicked!"
Is, or at least should be a pure lie. The first reason being clear. The second reason being:
"And we most definitely regret the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!"
...which is a DIRECT contradiction. MAKE UP YOUR MIND BUNGIE.


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn


But wouldn't the UNSC have done well on repelling the Covenant from the bridge, considering they're more tactically intelligent? Especially since they were suiting up and prepping for battle before the Covenant even got to the ship.

I always thought it was retarded how you'd always find dead Marines everywhere in every level with them, but no dead Covenant. Come ON, Bungie, the UNSC isn't made up of two year old's.

/ragefest


um Half of the platforms where offline; The Malta and Athens were the only ODPs (other than yours) that was in the Area to take out that ship. The other ones had there on issues to deal with.


Over two hundred ships and what, one-hundred and forty-eight platforms (on one side of the planet) isn't enough to prioritize? ._.
The ships could have handled the thirteen Cruisers while the platforms all joined their fire on the two Carriers.
It's a bit absurd to claim that a MAC gun's range is limited to the area of its cluster, considering all of the MAC platforms that represent individual places on Earth aren't all that spread out.

[Edited on 10.09.2011 5:41 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


THIS THIS THIS THIS

You'd think that the other platforms would fire on Regret's Carrier, seeing that Athens and Malta were too dead to do it.
OR why the ABUNDANCES of ships didn't fire en masse on the Carrier (though they may have been busy fighting the Cruisers, but still, thirteen Cruisers, two Carriers, versus God knows how many UNSC ships. I think there's more than enough UNSC to go around).
And why didn't Cairo take shots at the Assault Carrier?

Also,
"I take it back! Navy got its butt kicked!"
Is, or at least should be a pure lie. The first reason being clear. The second reason being:
"And we most definitely regret the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!"
...which is a DIRECT contradiction. MAKE UP YOUR MIND BUNGIE.


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn


But wouldn't the UNSC have done well on repelling the Covenant from the bridge, considering they're more tactically intelligent? Especially since they were suiting up and prepping for battle before the Covenant even got to the ship.

I always thought it was retarded how you'd always find dead Marines everywhere in every level with them, but no dead Covenant. Come ON, Bungie, the UNSC isn't made up of two year old's.

/ragefest


um Half of the platforms where offline; The Malta and Athens were the only ODPs (other than yours) that was in the Area to take out that ship. The other ones had there on issues to deal with.


Over two hundred ships and what, one-hundred and forty-eight platforms (on one side of the planet) isn't enough to prioritize? ._.
The ships could have handled the thirteen Cruisers while the platforms all joined their fire on the two Carriers.
It's a bit absurd to claim that a MAC gun's range is limited to the area of its cluster, considering all of the MAC platforms that represent individual places on Earth aren't all that spread out.


when did i say Over 200 ships? I was being generous with 200 because the current official number is "over 100". And didn't i just say majority of the ODPs were offline?

Again you fail to understand the circumstance of a surprise attack. The UNSC did not know that regrets ship was going to appear at earth and they weren't ready for it hence the ODPs not being online for another 2 weeks. Not only that but the human fleet was scattered and the ships there were at earth probably got caught in rotation (just like reach).

So when you are completely off guard and a dozen ships make a B line for your planet you don't have much to do. Also majority of the human ships were frigates which would take dozens to destroy a CCS class ship and dozens more trying to take out the ship.

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When is it ever stated that the SMAC platforms weren't online during the first 'invasion'?

  • 10.09.2011 5:55 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.


THIS THIS THIS THIS

You'd think that the other platforms would fire on Regret's Carrier, seeing that Athens and Malta were too dead to do it.
OR why the ABUNDANCES of ships didn't fire en masse on the Carrier (though they may have been busy fighting the Cruisers, but still, thirteen Cruisers, two Carriers, versus God knows how many UNSC ships. I think there's more than enough UNSC to go around).
And why didn't Cairo take shots at the Assault Carrier?

Also,
"I take it back! Navy got its butt kicked!"
Is, or at least should be a pure lie. The first reason being clear. The second reason being:
"And we most definitely regret the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!"
...which is a DIRECT contradiction. MAKE UP YOUR MIND BUNGIE.


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn


But wouldn't the UNSC have done well on repelling the Covenant from the bridge, considering they're more tactically intelligent? Especially since they were suiting up and prepping for battle before the Covenant even got to the ship.

I always thought it was retarded how you'd always find dead Marines everywhere in every level with them, but no dead Covenant. Come ON, Bungie, the UNSC isn't made up of two year old's.

/ragefest


um Half of the platforms where offline; The Malta and Athens were the only ODPs (other than yours) that was in the Area to take out that ship. The other ones had there on issues to deal with.


Over two hundred ships and what, one-hundred and forty-eight platforms (on one side of the planet) isn't enough to prioritize? ._.
The ships could have handled the thirteen Cruisers while the platforms all joined their fire on the two Carriers.
It's a bit absurd to claim that a MAC gun's range is limited to the area of its cluster, considering all of the MAC platforms that represent individual places on Earth aren't all that spread out.


when did i say Over 200 ships? I was being generous with 200 because the current official number is "over 100". And didn't i just say majority of the ODPs were offline?

Again you fail to understand the circumstance of a surprise attack. The UNSC did not know that regrets ship was going to appear at earth and they weren't ready for it hence the ODPs not being online for another 2 weeks. Not only that but the human fleet was scattered and the ships there were at earth probably got caught in rotation (just like reach).

So when you are completely off guard and a dozen ships make a B line for your planet you don't have much to do. Also majority of the human ships were frigates which would take dozens to destroy a CCS class ship and dozens more trying to take out the ship.


So, then Johnson's motivational speech at the start meant nothing?
"When I shipped out for basic, the orbital defense grid was all theories and politics. Now look. That Cairo is just ONE of THREE-HUNDRED geo-synchronized platforms."
Johnson is saying with confidence that when he first left, Earth wasn't very well fortified, but now, it was.
He would not be saying this if half of them were offline.

And by this time, they were already fully, and dreadfully expecting the Covenant to arrive at any moment, indicated by Lord Hood's "I apologize, but we're going to have to make this quick." in response to Cortana's "Another whisper, sir, near Io, we have probes en route."

So that means the UNSC was fully anticipating the Covenant's appearance, while Johnson is talking about how the MAC guns are all up, and Earth is ready for battle.

Why would Johnson be bragging about their strong defensive formation, knowing that the Covenant was fast approaching, being that only one-hundred and fifty of them were operational?

This may be another instance of the games contradicting the books if First Strike is where you're deriving your information from.

[Edited on 10.09.2011 6:10 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
It still seems odd how 20 ODP caused havoc on the Covenant fleet during the Battle of Reach before they were destroyed, while 300 ODPs did very little.

Law of Inverse Ninjutsu. The more people on one side the weaker the individual soldiers regardless of their strength alone. That is why 1 Spartan is an unstoppable killing machine that can almost single handedly turn the course of the war while 20 can't even defend a single generator.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101


Posted by: Sigma617
I'm still a little disgusted with the fact that Regret's expeditionary fleet made landfall in the first place.

Nothing should have been able to survive that volume of firepower. Nothing.[/quote]

THIS THIS THIS THIS

You'd think that the other platforms would fire on Regret's Carrier, seeing that Athens and Malta were too dead to do it.
OR why the ABUNDANCES of ships didn't fire en masse on the Carrier (though they may have been busy fighting the Cruisers, but still, thirteen Cruisers, two Carriers, versus God knows how many UNSC ships. I think there's more than enough UNSC to go around).
And why didn't Cairo take shots at the Assault Carrier?

Also,
"I take it back! Navy got its butt kicked!"
Is, or at least should be a pure lie. The first reason being clear. The second reason being:
"And we most definitely regret the Corps just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!"
...which is a DIRECT contradiction. MAKE UP YOUR MIND BUNGIE.


Halo:CE:

Johnson's speech -> numerous personnel being slaughtered on the Pillar of Autumn [/quote]

But wouldn't the UNSC have done well on repelling the Covenant from the bridge, considering they're more tactically intelligent? Especially since they were suiting up and prepping for battle before the Covenant even got to the ship.

I always thought it was retarded how you'd always find dead Marines everywhere in every level with them, but no dead Covenant. Come ON, Bungie, the UNSC isn't made up of two year old's.

/ragefest[/quote]

um Half of the platforms where offline; The Malta and Athens were the only ODPs (other than yours) that was in the Area to take out that ship. The other ones had there on issues to deal with.


Over two hundred ships and what, one-hundred and forty-eight platforms (on one side of the planet) isn't enough to prioritize? ._.
The ships could have handled the thirteen Cruisers while the platforms all joined their fire on the two Carriers.
It's a bit absurd to claim that a MAC gun's range is limited to the area of its cluster, considering all of the MAC platforms that represent individual places on Earth aren't all that spread out.


when did i say Over 200 ships? I was being generous with 200 because the current official number is "over 100". And didn't i just say majority of the ODPs were offline?

Again you fail to understand the circumstance of a surprise attack. The UNSC did not know that regrets ship was going to appear at earth and they weren't ready for it hence the ODPs not being online for another 2 weeks. Not only that but the human fleet was scattered and the ships there were at earth probably got caught in rotation (just like reach).

So when you are completely off guard and a dozen ships make a B line for your planet you don't have much to do. Also majority of the human ships were frigates which would take dozens to destroy a CCS class ship and dozens more trying to take out the ship.


So, then Johnson's motivational speech at the start meant nothing?
"When I shipped out for basic, the orbital defense grid was all theories and politics. Now look. That Cairo is just ONE of THREE-HUNDRED geo-synchronized platforms."
Johnson is saying with confidence that when he first left, Earth wasn't very well fortified, but now, it was.
He would not be saying this if half of them were offline.

And by this time, they were already fully, and dreadfully expecting the Covenant to arrive at any moment, indicated by Lord Hood's "I apologize, but we're going to have to make this quick." in response to Cortana's "Another whisper, sir, near Io, we have probes en route."

So that means the UNSC was fully anticipating the Covenant's appearance, while Johnson is talking about how the MAC guns are all up, and Earth is ready for battle.

Why would Johnson be bragging about their strong defensive formation, knowing that the Covenant was fast approaching, being that only one-hundred and fifty of them were operational?

This may be another instance of the games contradicting the books if First Strike is where you're deriving your information from.


Last time i checked johnson just got back to Earth and ground soldiers don't know every little detail about what is going on. Example being that the everyday servicemen doesn't know that the attack on reach was a planned failure by ONI, does johnson know that? because he was at Reach.

It was clearly stated in GoO that more than Half of the ODPs were offline. You wouldn't know this because you refuse to read the books.

Ofcourse they were expecting the covenant to appear because Reach just fell and it was only a matter of time. They did not expect the covenant to appear BEFORE the ODPs were all online. If they expected them like you foolishly believe then the offline ODPs would be a ruse just like the second deathstar and the battle for Earth would have been far more dramatic and prolonged.


There is a reason that 15 ships easily broke through a line of 300 ODPs and atleast 100 ships. Because half the ODPs were offline.

  • 10.10.2011 6:34 AM PDT

Could it not have been a ruse? Perhaps the recently uncovered 'RED FLAG' operation was still in effect; ONI wanted the High Prophet, Regret, and so allowed him to break through to Earth so they could corner him off.

Of course, they never expected him to jump in-atmosphere.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
Could it not have been a ruse? Perhaps the recently uncovered 'RED FLAG' operation was still in effect; ONI wanted the High Prophet, Regret, and so allowed him to break through to Earth so they could corner him off.

Of course, they never expected him to jump in-atmosphere.


The only reason the "Fall of Reach" is now being stated as a ruse is because 343 is trying to make sense of the game and explain to us what happened.

As for the battle of Earth we know full well what happened not only that but the UNSC would not be in such a position after the failure at reach.

They didn't expect the covenant to come, Regret didn't expect humans to be there.


If it was a ruse i am more interested in what the hell the plan was, because any competent commander knows that the covenant would have sent ever ship they had so they could bask in burning Earth to the mantle. So why would you try to attract the entire covenant to your homeworld when you only have 300 ODPs and atleast 100 ships in which most are frigates?


If any of the human planets were to actually be glassed, it would have been Earth minus the areas with forerunner relics.

  • 10.10.2011 6:51 AM PDT

I'm pretty sure if Earth or your home planet was being attacked, you'd be a little more motivated to defend it not matter what the match odds and abilities are like.

  • 10.10.2011 6:58 AM PDT

I'm not saying they attracted the Covenant to Earth; that would be utter lunacy. I'm suggesting that upon discovering a High Prophet was with the invading fleet already on its way, ONI decided to let his ship break atmosphere so they could attempt a capture.

New Mombasa would have been more than worth that. They probably would have sacrificed a whole continent for the opportunity.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm not saying they attracted the Covenant to Earth; that would be utter lunacy. I'm suggesting that upon discovering a High Prophet was with the invading fleet already on its way, ONI decided to let his ship break atmosphere so they could attempt a capture.

New Mombasa would have been more than worth that. They probably would have sacrificed a whole continent for the opportunity.


That is a better approach and ODST goes with it, the only issue is that nobody knew a prophet was on it. So if anything it would be an improvised wanna be red flag op

  • 10.10.2011 7:57 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm not saying they attracted the Covenant to Earth; that would be utter lunacy. I'm suggesting that upon discovering a High Prophet was with the invading fleet already on its way, ONI decided to let his ship break atmosphere so they could attempt a capture.

New Mombasa would have been more than worth that. They probably would have sacrificed a whole continent for the opportunity.


That is a better approach and ODST goes with it, the only issue is that nobody knew a prophet was on it. So if anything it would be an improvised wanna be red flag op


There wouldn't even have to be an account of a Prophet being on board. Regret simply gave ONI an opportunity to try and perform RED FLAG, without him even knowing.

Part of RED FLAG was to try and capture any ship, and bring it back to High Charity to capture a Prophet there....what if just a single Capital Ship makes it to Earth and presents the perfect opportunity? I'm sure ONI would have thought to capture the ship and execute a hastily put together new version of RED FLAG, without even knowing a Prophet was on board.

The real issue here, is that it wouldn't have mattered if the ODST's managed to infiltrate the ship and enprison Regret. Truth would have let them take Regret anyways, and wouldn't accept him as part of a peace treaty deal.

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  • 10.10.2011 8:48 AM PDT


Posted by: DonVinzone1
The real issue here, is that it wouldn't have mattered if the ODST's managed to infiltrate the ship and enprison Regret. Truth would have let them take Regret anyways, and wouldn't accept him as part of a peace treaty deal.


Sure, but humanity wasn't to know that. Plus, although Truth might not have accepted Regret as a peace-treaty deal, the rest of the Covenant would have been a different matter.

Most Sangheili held Regret in the highest regard, and most Covenant loved the hierarchy. I think the capture of Regret would certainly have much of the Covenant in uproar, no matter how Truth spun it.

Also, although Cortana and the marines don't find out Regret is aboard the assault carrier until Outskirts, it's very likely ONI knew before then.

This could also be another reason for Lord Hood telling Admiral Harper to stand down when he moved to engage the enemy. He might have been acting on orders/advise from ONI, who would be worried Regret might be killed.

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